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  • Northern_Blitz
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    • Dec 2008
    • 24382

    Originally posted by Steel Maniac
    I captured this because North said last year I was lying when I accused him of saying talent is more important then coaching. He’s saying it again right here.
    As with every case I can think of when SM references someone else's position in a previous post, this is a lie.

    Maybe people remember this, but it's the first link in my sig. I put the links there so I don't have to look them up every time SM misrepresents (lies about) what I said or what he / she said on this particular topic. In that link, I also give a link to the other post that he / she is talking about as well as quoted text from that thread to show that I am not lying.

    I did not say that the gold part of the quoted text was a lie. It has consistently been my position that coaching is important, but player talent is MORE important. Both items are necessary but not sufficient to win a SB.

    The major thing I accused SM of lying about in that thread was that he / she said that I said:
    "I sited (sic) how Sean Mcvay took the exact same players as Jeff Fisher had and made them a 12 game winner, he said that was just "Luck"."

    As I show in the post linked in my sig, I never said it was "just luck". Instead, I said [some of it was added in green in the quote in the thread to show that I added it after the fact after we had more information]:

    "My guess is that their improvement is mostly driven by luck, young players getting better due to more experience, and having a good QB on a rookie deal. [I think this must be the part Maniac is pointing to now saying that I think it was totally luck. In retrospect, I think I should have researched the roster changes myself and included coaching here as well. Note that I do talk about coaching in the next sentence.]

    McVay is probably a good coach. But, I think don't think it's his coaching that will make the Rams as one of the best teams in the NFC over the medium term.

    Instead, I think that their success will remain above average while Goff is on his rookie contract.
    "

    It was also a lie in that post when he / she said:
    "North_Blitz said in another thread that good coaching isn't important and having good players is all you need"

    In that whole argument SM was also lying / ignorant of the facts when they said that McVay took the exact same team to the playoffs that Fisher missed the playoffs with. Ruthless pointed out that something like 50% of the roster changed.

    But as often seems to be the case, SM shifts around the facts to make it seem like other people are the oppressor and he / she is the oppressed.

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    • RuthlessBurgher
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 33208

      Someone who supposedly has me on ignore keeps mentioning me again and again for no apparent reason.

      At least I assume he's talking about me. He spells my name about as well as he spells Chuck Noll's name.

      It's not really that hard. It's a play on Ben Roethlisberger's name and playing style. I replaced the "Roethlis" with "Ruthless" since his playing style early in his career (when I first came up with this name) was seemingly reckless abandon without thinking about the consequences of his own health...plus he had the propensity to tear out the guts of the opponents in the 4th quarter of games...and then replaced the "Berger" with "Burgher" since he is playing in Pittsburgh now.
      Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

      Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

      We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

      We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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      • RuthlessBurgher
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 33208

        Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
        As with every case I can think of when SM references someone else's position in a previous post, this is a lie.

        Maybe people remember this, but it's the first link in my sig. I put the links there so I don't have to look them up every time SM misrepresents (lies about) what I said or what he / she said on this particular topic. In that link, I also give a link to the other post that he / she is talking about as well as quoted text from that thread to show that I am not lying.

        I did not say that the gold part of the quoted text was a lie. It has consistently been my position that coaching is important, but player talent is MORE important. Both items are necessary but not sufficient to win a SB.

        The major thing I accused SM of lying about in that thread was that he / she said that I said:
        "I sited (sic) how Sean Mcvay took the exact same players as Jeff Fisher had and made them a 12 game winner, he said that was just "Luck"."

        As I show in the post linked in my sig, I never said it was "just luck". Instead, I said [some of it was added in green in the quote in the thread to show that I added it after the fact after we had more information]:

        "My guess is that their improvement is mostly driven by luck, young players getting better due to more experience, and having a good QB on a rookie deal. [I think this must be the part Maniac is pointing to now saying that I think it was totally luck. In retrospect, I think I should have researched the roster changes myself and included coaching here as well. Note that I do talk about coaching in the next sentence.]

        McVay is probably a good coach. But, I think don't think it's his coaching that will make the Rams as one of the best teams in the NFC over the medium term.

        Instead, I think that their success will remain above average while Goff is on his rookie contract.
        "

        It was also a lie in that post when he / she said:
        "North_Blitz said in another thread that good coaching isn't important and having good players is all you need"

        In that whole argument SM was also lying / ignorant of the facts when they said that McVay took the exact same team to the playoffs that Fisher missed the playoffs with. Ruthless pointed out that something like 50% of the roster changed.

        But as often seems to be the case, SM shifts around the facts to make it seem like other people are the oppressor and he / she is the oppressed.
        There are only 4 types of Maniac posts:

        1. BOOM................

        2. Don't all you ball washers know Tomlin's record in the playoffs over the last 8 seasons?

        3. When you counter any of his opinions with facts he puts you on ignore but then can't stop talking about you anyway.

        4. Take some reasonable analysis that you actually said and then twist it into something you never said at all. For example, saying last summer that even though it was a small sample size of carries, I liked what I saw from Conner as a runner during his rookie year, but was uncomfortable relying on him to be our bellcow back starting with the first game of his 2nd season, since he caught no passes as a rookie and struggled in pass protection (which is a common trait among rookie RB's). This supposedly means in his mind that I hate James Conner and believe that he would never ever amount to anything more than a backup quality RB. Obviously.

        That's his schtick. Everyone knows it. It gets old real quick.
        Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

        Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

        We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

        We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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        • Northern_Blitz
          Legend
          • Dec 2008
          • 24382

          Originally posted by JGRedDog
          I'd say in no particular order these are the big factors in how you win in today's NFL
          1. Franchise QB
          2. Ability to put pressure on the QB (This is how the Giants beat the Pats in 2 SB's)
          3. Coaching, coaching, coaching
          4. Some luck (This also arguably played a part in the Giants beating the Pats in 2 SB's)

          Your take that talent is more important than coaching is an interesting one but I can't agree in today's NFL. When you have two teams that are evenly matched or similarly matched what is the difference? Maybe it's just one player beating another player, this is how things work under Tomlin which at least partly explains 3 playoff wins in 8 seasons.
          When I look at your list, it seems like you think talent at the QB position is the most important thing for success.

          That doesn't seem to agree with the text you wrote below the list.

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          • Steeler Mafia
            Starter
            • May 2008
            • 567

            Originally posted by JGRedDog
            I'd say in no particular order these are the big factors in how you win in today's NFL
            1. Franchise QB
            2. Ability to put pressure on the QB (This is how the Giants beat the Pats in 2 SB's)
            3. Coaching, coaching, coaching
            4. Some luck (This also arguably played a part in the Giants beating the Pats in 2 SB's)

            Your take that talent is more important than coaching is an interesting one but I can't agree in today's NFL. When you have two teams that are evenly matched or similarly matched what is the difference? Maybe it's just one player beating another player, this is how things work under Tomlin which at least partly explains 3 playoff wins in 8 seasons.
            He did provide a disclaimer.
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            • Northern_Blitz
              Legend
              • Dec 2008
              • 24382

              Originally posted by Steeler Mafia
              He did provide a disclaimer.
              Sorry...got to read more closely.

              I think it's hard to argue against the idea that a Franchise QB is the single most important thing though.

              It can be done without one, but it's way harder.

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              • Steeler Mafia
                Starter
                • May 2008
                • 567

                Very true. Eli Manning comes to mind. Not a great QB, but he will get into the Hall with his 2 Super Bowl wins. Another name that comes to mind is Trent Dilfer. Horrible QB. If it wasn't for Ray Lewis and that Defense, they wouldn't have won a Super Bowl
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                • Northern_Blitz
                  Legend
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 24382

                  Originally posted by Steeler Mafia
                  Very true. Eli Manning comes to mind. Not a great QB, but he will get into the Hall with his 2 Super Bowl wins. Another name that comes to mind is Trent Dilfer. Horrible QB. If it wasn't for Ray Lewis and that Defense, they wouldn't have won a Super Bowl
                  Yep.

                  If you don't have a very good QB, I think you basically need an elite defense. While they didn't quite make it, Jax almost went to the SB with a generational D and an average QB.

                  I think Dilfer fits this mold.

                  This was also how Cowher tried to build teams. But his 2 SB years were with O'Donnell having a great season and Ben being awesome closing out games.

                  I didn't flow Eli much, maybe he was above average to very good in one of those years? They certainly had luck on their side with the Tyree catch too.

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                  • NJ-STEELER
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 12563

                    https://www.headcoachranking.com/hcr/total-rank/

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                    • Oh wow
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Mar 2019
                      • 2753

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                      • flippy
                        Legend
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 17088

                        Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                        C'mon Cap...don't be too rough on Maniac. You have to remember that we all need to be kind to each other through these rough waters!

                        In the mean time, though...have fun bathing our head coach's testicles.
                        Wait a minute.

                        I thought ball washers referred to the guy responsible for keeping the team's footballs clean. I even thought it might be the same guy that's responsible for keeping the balls inflated. I thought it was the same guy responsible for lotioning and rubbing down the balls to break them in.

                        These ball washers are critical to the game. They help expand the life and grip of the balls.

                        The guy who was the NE ball washer was disappointed to find out Brady and Billy B's balls were deflated. I think it made it easier for Brady's teammates to hold on to his balls and less likely to fumble them. But the NFL had to come down hard on those ball washers because they weren't servicing Brady and Bellichick's balls appropriately.

                        The NFL was concerned it made it hard for defenders to actually get their hands on Brady's balls. And you've gotta be fair. It should be just as easy for a defender to get to BB/Brady's balls as it is to get to the balls of any other team. Apparently NE has the best ball washers and handlers, but they got caught red handed.

                        What this has to do with testicles, I have no idea. Yinz are silly.
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                        • STH70
                          Benchwarmer
                          • Jun 2017
                          • 97

                          Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                          And Tomlin doesn't have the power to hire or fire his own assistants. Colbert and Rooney do that.
                          Hmmm, Tomlin, Fichtner and Butler are 20-year friends and coached together at Arkansas St..
                          Of 100s of available asst. coaches, Rooney just happens to hire and promote Tomlin’s 2 friends.
                          And Tomlin had no authority or say in this decision. What a coincidence.
                          Come on man.

                          These 2 coordinators may not be very good, but you're just making stuff up and posting it as facts.

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                          • Oh wow
                            Hall of Famer
                            • Mar 2019
                            • 2753

                            Originally posted by STH70
                            Hmmm, Tomlin, Fichtner and Butler are 20-year friends and coached together at Arkansas St..
                            Of 100s of available asst. coaches, Rooney just happens to hire and promote Tomlin’s 2 friends.
                            And Tomlin had no authority or say in this decision. What a coincidence.
                            Come on man.

                            These 2 coordinators may not be very good, but you're just making stuff up and posting it as facts.
                            Facts and SM are miles apart.

                            He has strong opinions that aren’t based on reality.

                            Mongrief
                            Lamar Jackson
                            Tomlin’s contract extension
                            OL coaches history with the team..

                            Dude is so wrong about stuff it’s not even funny but it’s definitely entertaining to read.

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                            • Oviedo
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 23824

                              Careful...you will be accused of washing someone's privates
                              "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                              • Oviedo
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 23824

                                Originally posted by STH70
                                Hmmm, Tomlin, Fichtner and Butler are 20-year friends and coached together at Arkansas St..
                                Of 100s of available asst. coaches, Rooney just happens to hire and promote Tomlin’s 2 friends.
                                And Tomlin had no authority or say in this decision. What a coincidence.
                                Come on man.

                                These 2 coordinators may not be very good, but you're just making stuff up and posting it as facts.
                                Fact...Most coaching jobs are based on personal relationships especially position coaches. The coaching fraternity is a closed society and very tight knit. Coaches are hired at all levels based on personal relationships and comfort with the individuals who are hiring them

                                I know a few college coaches and they follow each other from job to job and network to help each other get jobs.

                                Do you really think the NFL is different?
                                "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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