Poll Question for Everyone

[Steel Maniac]

He did? I highly doubt that. Could you link to that thread, or is it now lost in the interwebz like my supposed posts hating on Conner, proclaiming that he'd only ever be a backup.

Ruth, you still salty about that? I don’t hold it against you for being wrong on that one. It happens.

[Northern_Blitz]

Earlier in this current thread (pg 1), I said the following:

For the record, what I said was that [1] we won't know if McVay's success was luck or skill until he has more of a track record. [2] Clearly both are important.

Maniac said (pg 2):

That’s not what you said. You flat out said what he did was luck because you had no answer for my example of Mcvay. Don’t start back peddling now. You are not a cornerback. Lol

He also said (pg 14)

Ruth, the whole point I've been trying to make is that good coaching is just as important or more as having good players. That's all. North_Blitz said in another thread that good coaching isn't important and having good players is all you need. And I disagreed. ...

As we can all see, I said both of these things in posts from the previous threads.

I also never said "good coaching isn't important and having good players is all you need" (that would be a poor argument IMO). Note that Maniac did say that the players were exactly the same under Fisher and McVay. Ruthless pointed out that half the starters were different.

Context for these quotes can be seen above.

[1] "McVay is probably a good coach."

"To be successful in a single elimination tournament, you need to be good and lucky. I don't know what the breakdown is on McVay. But, without repeated success, I'd tend to lean more toward luck."

"Time will tell, but I'd like to see more of a track record before anointing someone."

[2] "Outside of New England, I'm not convinced that coaches are more important than players in terms of results. "

"I think that probably means that good coaching is necessary, but not sufficient for consistent team success."

"To be successful in a single elimination tournament, you need to be good and lucky. "

[Northern_Blitz]

He did? I highly doubt that. Could you link to that thread, or is it now lost in the interwebz like my supposed posts hating on Conner, proclaiming that he'd only ever be a backup.

It was just another straw man.

[tiproast]

That defensive performance by the Cheats in the SB was a thing of beauty. Best coaching effort I've ever seen.

Wade Phillips is due for some credit. The Rams defense and Wade's game plan shut down all the Patriot receivers (except Edelman) and came up with some big stops, time after time. They also kept the run game in check until the very end of the game - just ran out of energy due to being on the field too much because the Rams offense was stymied.

I know a lot of people thought the game was boring. But after all the high-scoring slug fests during the regular season, it was a nice change of pace to see defensive players in control.

[SS Laser]

And Wade or even at one time Dick Lebeau a great example that a good HC surrounds himself with other good coaches.
But that also makes me pause why the Belicheat tree has not been better as HC? Maybe my my exact point. They did not have the best or correct coaching around them. Or Tom Brady as QB! And of course good players. I would have to search Paytons assistant coaches also to see if this holds water. I see pro football as the ultimate team sport. Need a good team from the FO down to the practice squad.
I see it as coaching can elevate players and good players can elevate coaches.