Le'Veon Bell

[Northern_Blitz]

BTW, you ALWAYS do this. Act like Ben was better under Arians because we won more. You completely disregard the fact that a putrid offense was being carried by the leaues best defense.

Blame Ben when we score 42 points because he had ONE pick and a fumble? Dude Ben threw more touchdowns than he did in his THREE SUPRBOWLS COMBINED and we lost.

Ben has ONE DRIVE in a Super bowl win where he looks elite. Ben was better in his last playoff loss than 90 percent of his wins.

Bottom line you act like OFFENSE IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS. You can win with middling offense and lose despite putting up big scores.

You gotta look at both sides when judging team success.

The timing of the turnovers was crucial in a game we likely win easily if the Jags have to open up their offense.

And both of those turnovers led to TDs, right?

The D was bad, but they played well enough to win if the O didn't spot them 14 points.

Ben had a great 2nd half.

And he's a big part of the reason we almost came back.

But he's also a big part of the reason we lost.

But that's what Ben is. We live by the sword and die by it too. In that case, we did both in the same game.

And while I would have appreciated having another game, we weren't going to win the SB with that D IMO.

And I'll be happy when we win the SB this year so we can stop talking about that stupid game.

[feltdizz]

BTW, you ALWAYS do this. Act like Ben was better under Arians because we won more. You completely disregard the fact that a putrid offense was being carried by the leaues best defense.

Blame Ben when we score 42 points because he had ONE pick and a fumble? Dude Ben threw more touchdowns than he did in his THREE SUPRBOWLS COMBINED and we lost.

Ben has ONE DRIVE in a Super bowl win where he looks elite. Ben was better in his last playoff loss than 90 percent of his wins.

Bottom line you act like OFFENSE IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS. You can win with middling offense and lose despite putting up big scores.

You gotta look at both sides when judging team success.

I didn’t say a word about Ben.

You always speak on team success when discussing Bell.. (well, other teams success, lol) but life without Bell you have yet to speak on our team success...


because we haven’t had any yet.

[feltdizz]

The timing of the turnovers was crucial in a game we likely win easily if the Jags have to open up their offense.

And both of those turnovers led to TDs, right?

The D was bad, but they played well enough to win if the O didn't spot them 14 points.

Ben had a great 2nd half.

And he's a big part of the reason we almost came back.

But he's also a big part of the reason we lost.

But that's what Ben is. We live by the sword and die by it too. In that case, we did both in the same game.

And while I would have appreciated having another game, we weren't going to win the SB with that D IMO.

And I'll be happy when we win the SB this year so we can stop talking about that stupid game.

and our last TD was in garbage time. Not sure why that’s the one game he keeps referencing.

My point is with Bell we had playoff and SB expectations. Without him we haven’t made the playoffs and the convo is no longer team success but point averages and RZ stats.

If you have better RZ stats and still miss the playoffs? If you have better PPG and still miss the playoffs even tho your D is better?

Acting like Snell did us a favor would mean we were better once he left. That has yet to happen. Hopefully this is the year CP’s stance actually makes sense.

Because right now CP is posting like Bell signing 2 years ago would’ve brought the whole Jets team along with him.

[NorthCoast]

I am always in favor of players cashing in when it benefits the team, e.g. Heyward, Roethlisberger, and very soon Watt. The Steeler had the 3 Bs and it didn't get us there, so keeping them intact wasn't exactly a mandate. When a contract benefits the player more than the team, fagetaboutit.

[feltdizz]

I am always in favor of players cashing in when it benefits the team, e.g. Heyward, Roethlisberger, and very soon Watt. The Steeler had the 3 Bs and it didn't get us there, so keeping them intact wasn't exactly a mandate. When a contract benefits the player more than the team, fagetaboutit.

I agree.. but we have yet to see if any of the signings you mentioned will benefit us.

The 3 B’s didn’t get us there but we got pretty close.

If we get there this year then sure, it worked. But if we miss the playoffs again can we really say these new signings are “working”

Maybe working as far as no drama off the field but I’ll take drama and playoffs over no drama and couch sitting all day everyday.

[Captain Lemming]

you always do this. When it comes to signing RB’s you use SB victories as your proof.

But I AM taking into account defense. My point is that LEAGUE WIDE money spent on backs dont win jack. Money spent on defense matters WAY more.
I AM in fact talking about defense...you just dont hear it.

Yet when it comes to us missing the playoffs you just hug a few stats like RZ TD’s as proof we were better off without Bell.

Not just red zone stats. WE SCORED LESS with Bell PERIOD.

We still won 12 games (should’ve been 13) with that bad defense and offense with poor RZ stats.

Bad defense? It was 7th in the league.
It was the best Steeler defense Bell had ever been associated with Dizz.

7th 2017 to 16th 2018 in scoring defense without Bell
6th in 1017 with Bell to 4th without Bell in in 2018 scoring offense

The part of the game Bell contributes to IMPROVED in his absence.
The part he has nothing to do with is the part that digressed.

Therefore the teams DEFENSE got worse which is why the team got worse.

[feltdizz]

But I AM taking into account defense. My point is that LEAGUE WIDE money spent on backs dont win jack. Money spent on defense matters WAY more.
I AM in fact talking about defense...you just dont hear it.



Not just red zone stats. WE SCORED LESS with Bell PERIOD.



Bad defense? It was 7th in the league.
It was the best Steeler defense Bell had ever been associated with Dizz.

7th 2017 to 16th 2018 in scoring defense without Bell
6th in 1017 with Bell to 4th without Bell in in 2018 scoring offense

The part of the game Bell contributes to IMPROVED in his absence.
The part he has nothing to do with is the part that digressed.

Therefore the teams DEFENSE got worse which is why the team got worse.

so now we had a good defense in 2017? Okay.. lol.

and you prefer more points per game and less wins?

We scored 26.4 ppg in 2017 and a whopping 26.8 ppg in 2018. That’s not a big improvement.

You know what didn’t improve? Turnovers

[Captain Lemming]

so now we had a good defense in 2017? Okay.. lol.

and you prefer more points per game and less wins?

I prefer more wins. That is why you pay premium money on defense, not declining backs. You can score just as much with Bells backup. We saw it happen more than once Dizz.

We scored 26.4 ppg in 2017 and a whopping 26.8 ppg in 2018. That’s not a big improvement.

Oh stop it dude.
When you pay a back more money than entire championship caliber running back rosters your scoring is not supposed to improve AT ALL when he sits out.

[Captain Lemming]

Following your logic that backs are judged on "wins" which you know is a team metric, fast Willie (who is undefeated in playoff games) is better that Bettis AND Bell combined.

[feltdizz]

I prefer more wins. That is why you pay premium money on defense, not declining backs. You can score just as much with Bells backup. We saw it happen more than once Dizz.



Oh stop it dude.
When you pay a back more money than entire championship caliber running back rosters your scoring is not supposed to improve AT ALL when he sits out.

we had 12 wins (should’ve been 13) and haven’t sniffed 10 wins since Bell left.

You say winning games is more important but continue to use a scoring offense that had 4.5 less wins as proof of dodging a bullet.

“thank goodness Bell didn’t sign that contract and saved us from making the playoffs the last 2 years...”

^that’s you^

[feltdizz]

Following your logic that backs are judged on "wins" which you know is a team metric, fast Willie (who is undefeated in playoff games) is better that Bettis AND Bell combined.

No my friend, that’s YOUR logic. I’m just showing you how silly it sounds.

I want to field a team that makes the playoffs, which gives us a chance to win a SB.

YOU keep celebrating losing Bell like we have seen positive results from his departure. We have yet to see more success without Bell. At least wait until we actually make an AFCCG or SB before claiming victory.

I’m certain that if Bell signed that contract we would’ve fielded a more competitive team these past 2 years. Acting like we didn’t have more success with him than without him is silly.

You keep saying our unit was better without him while ignoring ball security, TOP, when points where scored, necessity of points based on leads vs trailing in the 4th quarter. You would have to be a fool to prefer the 2018 offense to 2017 because of one stat.

[whisper]

so now we had a good defense in 2017? Okay.. lol.

and you prefer more points per game and less wins?

We scored 26.4 ppg in 2017 and a whopping 26.8 ppg in 2018. That’s not a big improvement.

You know what didn’t improve? Turnovers

Wallop-wazuuuuu! That's gonna leave a mark.

[whisper]

no my friend, that’s your logic. I’m just showing you how silly it sounds.

I want to field a team that makes the playoffs, which gives us a chance to win a sb.

You keep celebrating losing bell like we have seen positive results from his departure. We have yet to see more success without bell. At least wait until we actually make an afccg or sb before claiming victory.

I’m certain that if bell signed that contract we would’ve fielded a more competitive team these past 2 years. Acting like we didn’t have more success with him than without him is silly.

You keep saying our unit was better without him while ignoring ball security, top, when points where scored, necessity of points based on leads vs trailing in the 4th quarter. You would have to be a fool to prefer the 2018 offense to 2017 because of one stat.

/\/\/\/\ zap!

[Northern_Blitz]

No my friend, that’s YOUR logic. I’m just showing you how silly it sounds.

I want to field a team that makes the playoffs, which gives us a chance to win a SB.

YOU keep celebrating losing Bell like we have seen positive results from his departure. We have yet to see more success without Bell. At least wait until we actually make an AFCCG or SB before claiming victory.

I’m certain that if Bell signed that contract we would’ve fielded a more competitive team these past 2 years. Acting like we didn’t have more success with him than without him is silly.

You keep saying our unit was better without him while ignoring ball security, TOP, when points where scored, necessity of points based on leads vs trailing in the 4th quarter. You would have to be a fool to prefer the 2018 offense to 2017 because of one stat.

What has Bell done since he left?

Your argument here assumes that Bell would have stayed in his prime if we kept him.

There's lots of evidence that he's not the player he was at his peak.

He looked to be declining in his last year with us. His YPC in his last three seasons (first 2 with us) : 4.9, 4.0, 3.2.

Now he's on the IR 6 carries into the season.

And these are supposed to be the good years of his contract.

Bell is a shining example of why you have to think about expected future performance and not pay for past accomplishments. Those kind of contracts kill you in a cap league.

He's not a good RB anymore, but he was great in his prime. I don't think his 3 to 4 YPC was going to drag our sorry O to the playoffs last year.

[feltdizz]

What has Bell done since he left?

Your argument here assumes that Bell would have stayed in his prime if we kept him.

There's lots of evidence that he's not the player he was at his peak.

He looked to be declining in his last year with us. His YPC in his last three seasons (first 2 with us) : 4.9, 4.0, 3.2.

Now he's on the IR 6 carries into the season.

And these are supposed to be the good years of his contract.

Bell is a shining example of why you have to think about expected future performance and not pay for past accomplishments. Those kind of contracts kill you in a cap league.

He's not a good RB anymore, but he was great in his prime. I don't think his 3 to 4 YPC was going to drag our sorry O to the playoffs last year.

your really think Bell falls off a cliff with another year of AB, JuJu, Ben, Washington, Haden, Pouncey, DeCastro and Tomlin and company in the FO vs why he has in the Jets?

C’mon. You don’t believe that. Now granted, Bell hasn’t looked as good as expected in NY BUT they are truly trash. I didn’t expect them to be this bad in the trenches. Remember tho, they still beat us last year.