Robbed

[BURGH86STEEL]

Thank you. Last week in the Carolina game , Johnathan Stewart reach over the plan and had the ball slapoed out his hand but because he broke the plan, they said it was a TD .

Jj broke the plan with a football move before a question of any control should be asked.

We got robbed.

I agree. It wouldn't be a TD if James didn't have control of the ball before he crossed the plane. It's clear he crossed the plane with control of the ball. I guess simply crossing the plane of the goal line with control of the football is no longer considered a TD anymore.

This isn't the first time the refs made a bad call even with the aid of reply or indisputable evidence ect.

I don't believe games are fixed. I believe refs influence point spreads with questionable and bad calls.

[WB Tarleton]

I didn’t insult you. Do you have a guilty conscience or something?

Did I say you insulted me? Guilty conscience or something?

BTW, you still have not told me how my interpretation is wrong. That would be substantive.

[Slapstick]

Did I say you insulted me? Guilty conscience or something?

Don’t get all defensive. Lighten up, Alice!

[Steel Maniac]

That is a fumble rule. Not a catch rule.

Here it is:

If JJ had possession and a defender slapped it away, it would have been a TD.

But a football move was made; constituting possession at that very second of making a football move.

And since he wasn’t touched initially , possession was established and the goal line broken by the ball

[WB Tarleton]

And somewhere, Goodall is smiling because of his disdain for us and his love for the Patriots.

You do realize that 1) Goodell is a Ravens fan; and 2) Kraft and he are sworn enemies since the Brady thing, right?

[Slapstick]

But a football move was made; constituting possession at that very second of making a football move.

And since he wasn’t touched initially , possession was established and the goal line broken by the ball

Yep. And I still can’t see clear visual evidence that the ball was on the ground.

[WB Tarleton]

But a football move was made; constituting possession at that very second of making a football move.

And since he wasn’t touched initially , possession was established and the goal line broken by the ball

You have to maintain possession through contact with the ground. He didn't.

Item 1. Player Going to the Ground. A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

More explanation:

"“If, before becoming a runner, a receiver falls to the ground in an attempt to make a catch, he must maintain control of the ball after contacting the ground. If he loses control of the ball after contacting the ground and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. Reaching the ball out before becoming a runner will not trump the requirement to hold on to the ball when you land. When you are attempting to complete a catch, you must put the ball away or protect the ball so it does not come loose.”

[WB Tarleton]

Don’t get all defensive. Lighten up, Alice!

No defensiveness from me. Still waiting for a substantive comment about why my interpretation of the rule is wrong though.

[Shoe]

I believe it is the same rule as Dez in GB, and Calvin Johnson way back when. I personally think they interpreted it wrong anyway (I feel that his right hand never lost grasp, though his left hand did. Especially considering the ruling on the field.)

[MeetJoeGreene]

He's going to ground in the process of catching the ball so he has to maintain control. The ball definitely moved when his hands hit the ground but there's not a definitive view that shows that his left hand wasn't under the ball when he hit. From one angle you can see that it's possible/probable that his left hand is under the ball when the bobble happens. In fact, reviewing on my DVR I can't see any shot that shows the ball clearly in contact with the turf.

Exactly. since the call on the field was a TD, there has to be IRREFUTABLE evidence to overturn. That was not.

[WB Tarleton]

Exactly. since the call on the field was a TD, there has to be IRREFUTABLE evidence to overturn. That was not.

Yes, there was. Point of the football clearly goes into the ground and then you can see the threads spin at least a quarter turn. They do not do that if you have a firm grasp.

[pittpete]

You're exactly right. I have NOT seen an angle shown that shows the ball hitting the floor. The ball moves but JJ's hand is still under it.

[pittpete]

Yes, there was. Point of the football clearly goes into the ground and then you can see the threads spin at least a quarter turn. They do not do that if you have a firm grasp.

Please show me because i've yet to see the ball clearly touch the ground.
Serious please provide a link or GIF, image.
Thanks

[Slapstick]

You're exactly right. I have NOT seen an angle shown that shows the ball hitting the floor. The ball moves but JJ's hand is still under it.

There wasn’t clear evidence, at least with the replays we saw on TV. Did New York have a magical, hidden angle?

[pittpete]

Exactly Slap....The ball did move and kind of spin but there was no clearcut evidence shown during the replays.