PFF Ranks Pouncey

[feltdizz]

Isn't that kind of like saying our offense didn't miss a beat without Ben because we had a winning record when he was out? I think so...

Basically. Its how you end up with a QB like Matt Cassell. He was awesome when Brady was out, who needs Brady?

Nothing more hilarious than a short sighted fan.

[feltdizz]

who wants to be better when you can be fine?

Captain is the GM on Madden with 85 million in cap room because he traded all his best players away.

Dude said we were fine with Hoke. LMAO.

[Captain Lemming]

Captain is the GM on Madden with 85 million in cap room because he traded all his best players away.

Dude said we were fine with Hoke. LMAO.

17-1 when he started. The one season he started the majority of the season we led the league in defense and had the best run defense, and of the Hampton/Hoke era. Most regular season wins ever by a Steeler team that season. Hampton started in the playoff loss as he had returned from injury.

Yes, THAT is yet another example that I come with the facts my brother, don't just make weak unproven assertions.

We were fine with Hoke.

[birtikidis]

17-1 when he started. The one season he started the majority of the season we led the league in defense and had the best run defense, and of the Hampton/Hoke era. Most regular season wins ever by a Steeler team that season. Hampton started in the playoff loss as he had returned from injury.

Yes, THAT is yet another example that I come with the facts my brother, don't just make weak unproven assertions.

We were fine with Hoke.

that 17-1 record and best defense wasn't just because of Hoke. We had great players across the table.

[feltdizz]

17-1 when he started. The one season he started the majority of the season we led the league in defense and had the best run defense, and of the Hampton/Hoke era. Most regular season wins ever by a Steeler team that season. Hampton started in the playoff loss as he had returned from injury.

Yes, THAT is yet another example that I come with the facts my brother, don't just make weak unproven assertions.

We were fine with Hoke.

you mean the season where Ben became a legend and we went 15-1 and routinely were up at half time and took the air out of the ball in the second half? That year?

The year where we lost in the AFCCG when Brady went play action on their first drive and threw a long TD pass that pretty much took the air out of Heinz field?

You mean the year we didn't win the SB but also needed a few miracle missed FG's at home vs the Jets?

LMAO.. you do this all the time. You pull out a few team stats but fail to look at the big picture.

We controlled the majority of those games early on on offense and our time of possession was insane in the 2nd half due to Bettis pounding the rock. We actually led the league in time of possession because they couldn't stop us even though they knew what was coming.

Once again, I win.

[Ernie]

I'm guessing he'll score better than AV this week.

Rumor has it that AV lost 20 lb due to an illness...

[birtikidis]

Rumor has it that AV lost 20 lb due to an illness...

And word out on the street is that we may have been better with an undrafted free agent ROOKIE playing. Of course we'd have had to know by Saturday at 4pm that AV wouldn't have been a go and Rook woulda had to be brought up.

[Ernie]

And word out on the street is that we may have been better with an undrafted free agent ROOKIE playing. Of course we'd have had to know by Saturday at 4pm that AV wouldn't have been a go and Rook woulda had to be brought up.

[Captain Lemming]

that 17-1 record and best defense wasn't just because of Hoke. We had great players across the table.

We were 17-1 with Hoke starting during his entire career, not one season. He started the majority of the season we had the best record in Steeler history. The best run defense of Casey's career he MISSED most of the season.

My point is not that Hoke is better. My point is that we hardly missed highly paid Casey when he was out. Like Pouncey he wasn't worth his huge paycheck.

Troy, Deebo, get hurt we felt it every time. Casey out? 17-1.

17-1 when Hoke replaced him don't lie.

[feltdizz]

We were 17-1 with Hoke starting during his entire career, not one season. He started the majority of the season we had the best record in Steeler history. The best run defense of Casey's career he MISSED most of the season.

My point is not that Hoke is better. My point is that we hardly missed highly paid Casey when he was out. Like Pouncey he wasn't worth his huge paycheck.

Troy, Deebo, get hurt we felt it every time. Casey out? 17-1.

17-1 when Hoke replaced him don't lie.

Defense looks awesome right now without Tuitt. He is hardly missed, shoulda saved on his huge paycheck.

Waste of money, we should cut him and go with his backup.

[phillyesq]

I agree with you. But I also agree with the sentiment of others that Pouncey has underperformed at the same time.

I think we're spoiled in our expectations having had former centers like Webby and Dirt. I know this sentiment might not be shared by all, but Dirt is my all time favorite and I think he was the best and most versatile lineman we've ever had. And I realize this is unfair, but that's the standard I have in my mind any time I focus in on Pouncey's play.

I agree with you on Dawson. His mix of speed and power was special. He was just as fast as Pouncey but a lot more powerful. I think you could make a convincing argument that Dawson was the best center to play the game.

Pouncey is still a very good player. His ability to get to the second level and pull is pretty unique. He's no Dawson, but still very good. It would be crazy to think that the offense wouldn't take a step back if you replace him with BJ Finney.

[feltdizz]

I agree with you on Dawson. His mix of speed and power was special. He was just as fast as Pouncey but a lot more powerful. I think you could make a convincing argument that Dawson was the best center to play the game.

Pouncey is still a very good player. His ability to get to the second level and pull is pretty unique. He's no Dawson, but still very good. It would be crazy to think that the offense wouldn't take a step back if you replace him with BJ Finney.

folks get a whiff of success without a player and think it's proof they don't need them.

some fans are extremely short sighted.

[RuthlessBurgher]

I agree with you on Dawson. His mix of speed and power was special. He was just as fast as Pouncey but a lot more powerful. I think you could make a convincing argument that Dawson was the best center to play the game.

Pouncey is still a very good player. His ability to get to the second level and pull is pretty unique. He's no Dawson, but still very good. It would be crazy to think that the offense wouldn't take a step back if you replace him with BJ Finney.

Yeah, Dirt Dawson was the best center in Steeler history in my mind (sorry Webby and Pouncey...I love you both too). In terms of NFL All Time, he's got some competition from Jim Otto (although more than half of his career was in the pre-merger AFL) and Dwight Stephenson (who was also dominant player, but for a shorter period of time).

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

folks get a whiff of success without a player and think it's proof they don't need them.

some fans are extremely short sighted.

I think of maybe a game or two or three when I think of "whiff of success". IIRC, our O-line play was surprisingly solid for the many games Pouncey was out. I haven't looked up the numbers, so I could be wrong there.

[feltdizz]

I think of maybe a game or two or three when I think of "whiff of success". IIRC, our O-line play was surprisingly solid for the many games Pouncey was out. I haven't looked up the numbers, so I could be wrong there.

Yes, you are very wrong, extremely wrong.

This was in 2013 correct?

We were 8-8 that year.
Ben was sacked 42 times.
we were ranked 27th in rushing yards.
we ranked 26th in rushing TD's..

we lost the first four games. We didn't rush for over 100 yards as a team until week 7.

maybe I'm looking at the wrong year? I'll double check.

nope. That was the year we only cracked 100 yards 6 times out of 16 games.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1845771-just-how-bad-are-the-2013-pittsburgh-steelers