Don't resign AB

[pittpete]

Yes, but with few exceptions, the Patriots second and third options CATCH THE BALL. Steelers? Not so much.

Not true...
Rodgers and Hamilton/Ayers came up pretty big during our winning streak.
James can also catch the ball well.
Thing is Haley feels the need to have David Johnson in to catch 1 yard passes and constantly sub in and out.

[NorthCoast]

The team is undisplined in the locker room and on the field. Displine translates on and off the field. Please go see Lagarett Blount's interview.

Brown was upset that he didn't get the red zone call instead of Deangelo Williams. Brown has lost his mind. How is this allowed? This type of environment doesn't win championships.

Bottom line.

And all that discipline has led to the same number of SB wins in the last 12 yrs as the 'undisciplined' Steelers.

[Real Deal Steel]

Blount said it; and the team's actions back him up. Don't shoot the messenger. Lol

[pittpete]

Also just re watched on Gamepass and Brown signaled TD with his hands up so don't know what shes talking about

[NorthCoast]

Mike Tomlin - "I'll tolerate you until I can replace you"

[Mr.wizard]

As long as we have a coach who allows an undisiplined environment, we will never compete against a coach like Bellichek who has control of his team.

Ask yourself one question:

Would Brown be filiming locker room meetings if he were a Patriot? There..exactly.


The root problems of this team is Tomlin. He's not a good enough coach.

We where just in the AFC championship game, If our locker room is so bad what does that say about the rest of the league? Tomlin is not a good enough coach to do what? Win a Superbowl? Already did that. Win consistently in NFL? Fastest coach to 100 wins. What the hell are you talking about?

[Captain Lemming]

While this probably isn't a popular sentiment, I'm not in favor of paying too much for the WR position irregardless of the player. I think the position is a dime a dozen and you can get a better return on other positions.

Clearly, AB is not going to make that much difference in our ability to beat someone like the Pats in the playoffs. A top Dlineman, OLB, or CB can make a bigger difference.

I think it's most prudent to get a great QB and build the best team you can in the trenches on both sides of the ball. IMHO, the path to another SuperBowl is QB + Dline (possibly extending outward to the front 7).

Now that said, do we have anyone better to spend money on besides AB? If not, then you give him a contract, but I would be hesitant to commit for too long because he's just a WR and there's a million more of them that are good enough with a great QB.

And I completely recognize AB is unique talent. But I would say the same about Randy Moss or Jerry Rice. WRs don't win you championships.

I cant believe I am going to agree with a "Coolie Man" thread but he is absolutely correct.
And Flippy you expess my EXACT POV here.
Elite receivers get paid too much and destroy the cap period.
You mention Rice and I disagree about his value to the Niner.
But he is the last time an elite receiver that was a key reason any team won multiple championships.

But since Rice only maybe Michael Irvin, but nobody since then.

[Captain Lemming]

Not surrounding a franchise QB with quality weapons is only a recipe for success in a Bellicheat system.

Great receiving talent getting paid top dollar has ZERO correlation with success. Perhaps even an adverse effect.
Ask Matthew Stafford how much he misses Megatron.

How many top paid receivers have championships? It aint just BB nearly EVERY SB winner has "good" not elite receivers.

Julio Jones has a chance to be a rare exception, a high paid SB champion receiver. But he would be the first in decades. It certainly is not a prerequisite for success

[NorthCoast]

Great receiving talent getting paid top dollar has ZERO correlation with success. Perhaps even an adverse effect.
Ask Matthew Stafford how much he misses Megatron.

How many top paid receivers have championships? It aint just BB nearly EVERY SB winner has "good" not elite receivers.

Julio Jones has a chance to be a rare exception, a high paid SB champion receiver. But he would be the first in decades. It certainly is not a prerequisite for success

Maybe not a prerequisite but makes it a whole lot easier. How quickly we forget, last SB appearances for the Steelers?, Ward+Wallace, before that, Ward+Stonio. Ward is a HOF'r with half his career spent before the league got pass-happy.

[SS Laser]

I mostly agree with Cap. But I think that elite WR helps to get to the playoff. But I don't have much to base that argument off. But I will try. Take AB away THIS season. This team is lucky to be 8-8 IMO. There are other less elite WR that were paramount to a championship team. Like Hines ward. Wes welker maybe. I am sure there are
others I can't think of right now. As the WR position might be more important now then ever with the way the game is played.
I am going to get fried but how elite is AB without Ben and his style of play? Another way I look at that is Mike Wallace had a comeback season with Flacid flacco! Most good/great WR's need a good/great QB. There are a few really special ones that I am sure buck that idea. But even Rice had Montana/Young. Not sure on the raiders. And good/great QB's have to love having the elite WR. But AB had a few bad games. Drops in big moments. I don't have a problem with paying AB top'ish money but don't break the bank or screw the cap for the future when he does drop off.

[Captain Lemming]

Maybe not a prerequisite but makes it a whole lot easier. How quickly we forget, last SB appearances for the Steelers?, Ward+Wallace, before that, Ward+Stonio. Ward is a HOF'r with half his career spent before the league got pass-happy.

I have not "forgotten" anything.
Ward is NOT a HOFer until he gets a jacket. If he gets in one day it will be because he was consistently "good" for very a long career on a superbowl champion. Had he been a Lion nobody would think he was "great".

And with Stonio you make MY POINT. Dude was all we needed to be a STAR in winning the superbowl. He was never an "elite" guy. Heck how "valuable" has he been since leaving the Steelers.
Wallace? Took us all of on season and a FOURTH ROUND pick to get a better version of "one trick pony".

Of that "young money crew" who got a ring? The least regarded guy, Sanders.

But you miss my larger point.

Nobody you mentioned got "elite money". In a vacuum sure better players are preferable in every position. I like Brown, think he is our best pure receiver in decades. Issue is what they do to the cap. Elite receivers are simply overpaid for their value. The net result is TEAMS paying top dollar for receivers tend to have less cumulative talent thus they dont tend to win championships.

I would LUV to keep Brown for what his real worth is to a team.
Brown WILL GET elite coin that exceeds real value for ANY receiver from some stupid team because elite receivers are overpaid.

[Captain Lemming]

There are other less elite WR that were paramount to a championship team. Like Hines ward. Wes welker maybe. I am sure there are
others I can't think of right now.

I can think of one. How bout a 28-year-old wide receiver who went undrafted and played four seasons of lacrosse in college and got cut by several NFL teams. The guy who had nine catches, 180 yards, and two touchdowns on Sunday who is going to play next Sunday for a ring.

This is EXACTLY the point. You dont need to pay elite money to get a great performance at Wr.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Maybe elite coaches can win championships without elite receivers, but others ...

[Captain Lemming]

Maybe elite coaches can win championships without elite receivers, but others ...

By that definition we have an "elite" coach.
He won a Superbowl with injured Hines and an 800 yard Santonio Holmes who is so "elite" he cant do jack squat on any other team.

[feltdizz]

I mostly agree with Cap. But I think that elite WR helps to get to the playoff. But I don't have much to base that argument off. But I will try. Take AB away THIS season. This team is lucky to be 8-8 IMO. There are other less elite WR that were paramount to a championship team. Like Hines ward. Wes welker maybe. I am sure there are
others I can't think of right now. As the WR position might be more important now then ever with the way the game is played.
I am going to get fried but how elite is AB without Ben and his style of play? Another way I look at that is Mike Wallace had a comeback season with Flacid flacco! Most good/great WR's need a good/great QB. There are a few really special ones that I am sure buck that idea. But even Rice had Montana/Young. Not sure on the raiders. And good/great QB's have to love having the elite WR. But AB had a few bad games. Drops in big moments. I don't have a problem with paying AB top'ish money but don't break the bank or screw the cap for the future when he does drop off.

please point out these drops in big moments.