Don't resign Shazier save for Tuitt

[Shoe]

I have a comment about the people saying we should've taken Mosely instead of Shazier. That is fallacious reasoning. Whether or not it turns out to be the right or wrong move, it was a sound decision to take the younger, faster, less beat-up guy (Mosely had a hip condition and I think a shoulder thing too). You can't be results-oriented with the draft. You just have to make the most sound decision.

As for the Polamalu contracts, yeah he made it through his 3rd contract. That doesn't mean Shazier would. Woodley got a fat 2nd deal, and took that ("fat") literally. With an injury prone guy like Shazier, I don't think it is realistic to think he will get more durable as he gets older.

[Captain Lemming]

That is an interesting question. Some of the posters on here always want to put all the blame on the players when the D doesn't perform well. But I think that the defensive changes made for the Chiefs game shows us that the scheme can also be an important factor. For whatever reason, the coaches went with a bland, no-pressure scheme the first three weeks, which led to the stinker in Philly. A more aggressive scheme definitely helped the D vs. KC.

Actually, I don't see too great a change schematically.
We often got pressure and sacks bringing 4, there was not suddenly a bunch of exotic blitzes.
Heck Heyward had 3 sacks alone. He was hurt before

Tomlin said fundamentals were the reasons for the Philly struggles.

Just like the offense, the defense just executed better.

[feltdizz]

How about we resign both of them? Timmons cant play forever.

[Captain Lemming]

How about we resign both of them? Timmons cant play forever.

Thats the bottom line. You don't want TWO solid but slowpoke linebackers starting in a couple of years.

[Shawn]

I have a comment about the people saying we should've taken Mosely instead of Shazier. That is fallacious reasoning. Whether or not it turns out to be the right or wrong move, it was a sound decision to take the younger, faster, less beat-up guy (Mosely had a hip condition and I think a shoulder thing too). You can't be results-oriented with the draft. You just have to make the most sound decision.

As for the Polamalu contracts, yeah he made it through his 3rd contract. That doesn't mean Shazier would. Woodley got a fat 2nd deal, and took that ("fat") literally. With an injury prone guy like Shazier, I don't think it is realistic to think he will get more durable as he gets older.

First, Mosley isn't exactly slow and anyone with an eye looking at the tape knew he was a more sound linebacker than Shazier. He is also built for the position. Keep in mind Shazier played much of the time at 215 or below in college. Make no mistake Shazier is an athletic phenom with a massive ceiling. It was also obvious that he has trouble playing at a healthy weight for the position. It was also obvious that he was less fundamentally sound. IMO, as I said before and I will say again Mosley was the better LBr. Do I get why the Steelers aimed for the fences? Sure. I get it. Was it a mistake? Maybe in hindsight but they were not stupid for drafting Shazier. Just IMO it was never the right choice. If he could get healthy and stay healthy? We may be having a different convo.

[Shawn]

actually no.
polamalu played in all 16 games his first 3 season and played 13 of the 16 in his fourth season. (95%)
whereas shaxier has played in 9 out of 16 in 2014, 12 out of 16 in 2015 and 3 out of 4 (and soon to be 3 out of 5) this year.........(66%)
so this is a HUGE difference eh?

squid being the poster making some sense??? what has this board come to?

[NorthCoast]

Actually, I don't see too great a change schematically.
We often got pressure and sacks bringing 4, there was not suddenly a bunch of exotic blitzes.
Heck Heyward had 3 sacks alone. He was hurt before

Tomlin said fundamentals were the reasons for the Philly struggles.

Just like the offense, the defense just executed better.

The Depot disagrees with your observations. They documented some very significant changes made defensively for KC game.

[Slapstick]

Polamalu played in all 16 games his rookie season, but started none of them...

IMO, that makes a difference...

[BradshawsHairdresser]

The Depot disagrees with your observations. They documented some very significant changes made defensively for KC game.

Yep. But that doesn't fit with the narrative some on this board want to stick with.

[squidkid]

Polamalu played in all 16 games his rookie season, but started none of them...

IMO, that makes a difference...

how so?......

[squidkid]

I agree. It's the early history comparison that is relevant for Shazier. Maybe he can strengthen and beef up to avoid getting nicked up but so far he seems to be playing a style that doesn't bode well for a long term career in the NFL.
As others have pointed out, gotta decide what his contract is worth for playing 12 games a year. $5M/yr might be tops in my mind.

12 games a year is 75%. shaxier is not even at 65%

[NJ-STEELER]

Mosley Isn't what we needed. He's the old guard type of ILB In a league that's CHAnging more And more with passing.
He was responsible for Oakland 2nd to last TD by not dropping back far enough to cut off the The tEs lane.

Drafting that high, I want a guy who can make a splash play and turn the game around. Like we've seen shazier do

[BradshawsHairdresser]

Drafting that high, I want a guy who can make a splash play and turn the game around. Like we've seen shazier do

Me too, but he can't make splash plays if he's not on the field (or sometimes, on the field but hampered by injury). What the Steelers need is someone who plays like Shazier but is sturdier.

[Shoe]

First, Mosley isn't exactly slow and anyone with an eye looking at the tape knew he was a more sound linebacker than Shazier. He is also built for the position. Keep in mind Shazier played much of the time at 215 or below in college. Make no mistake Shazier is an athletic phenom with a massive ceiling. It was also obvious that he has trouble playing at a healthy weight for the position. It was also obvious that he was less fundamentally sound. IMO, as I said before and I will say again Mosley was the better LBr. Do I get why the Steelers aimed for the fences? Sure. I get it. Was it a mistake? Maybe in hindsight but they were not stupid for drafting Shazier. Just IMO it was never the right choice. If he could get healthy and stay healthy? We may be having a different convo.

Yeah but you are ignoring the fact that Mosely had a hip condition and I think a shoulder condition that were concerning. You're probably right, in that Mosely fit the "LB" position much more, and probably still does.

I really love knowing a healthy, motivated Shazier is playing... because that means our short-to-intermediate is locked down. That's how much faith I have in him. BUT... if BAL said they would trade Mosely for Shazier straight up, I think I might have to take the deal. It's all about availability.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

Mosley is making splash plays this year if you are paying attention.

sealed the browns game with an int and made a really nice one handed int in the raiders game

he's an excellent player. Saying otherwise is foolish