Is Cortez Allen the worst starting DB in the NFL?

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  • papillon
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    • Mar 2008
    • 11340

    #46
    Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
    perhaps this is a good time to consider switching to a 4-3 defense instead?
    I think they should go to the 110 defense, the Steeler corners can't cover anyhow, maybe with 11 rushing and 0 in pass coverage they can stop the run and potentially get a sack.

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    • steelz09
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      • Jan 2008
      • 4675

      #47
      Originally posted by papillon
      I think they should go to the 110 defense, the Steeler corners can't cover anyhow, maybe with 11 rushing and 0 in pass coverage they can stop the run and potentially get a sack.

      Pappy

      Might as well. Even when we're "in coverage", no one is actually covering any one.
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      • Shawn
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        • Mar 2008
        • 15131

        #48
        Originally posted by K Train
        Mcclendon has been the best player on the dline. Cam Thomas is useless and Heyward has been very bad this year.

        I thought heyward was going to be among the elite DEs this year....i was wrong
        Heyward has been bad this year? I'm not seeing what you are seeing.
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        • hawaiiansteel
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          • May 2008
          • 35648

          #49
          Originally posted by Shawn
          Heyward has been bad this year? I'm not seeing what you are seeing.
          it's hard to see clearly sometimes through those Ohio St Buckeyes' tinted glasses...

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          • K Train
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            • Jan 2014
            • 3685

            #50
            Originally posted by Shawn
            Heyward has been bad this year? I'm not seeing what you are seeing.
            He has been completely awful for 3 games. He was dominant against Carolina, played well against Jacksonville, but reverted back to how he played week one vs the browns and week 2 vs the ravens last week.

            When hes supposed to be the best player on the defense, he is not getting it done at that level. Not good at all.

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            • Eddie Spaghetti
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              • Jul 2008
              • 4123

              #51
              add eddie to the list that thinks heyward has been disappointing this year

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              • phillyesq
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                • May 2008
                • 7568

                #52
                Originally posted by K Train
                He has been completely awful for 3 games. He was dominant against Carolina, played well against Jacksonville, but reverted back to how he played week one vs the browns and week 2 vs the ravens last week.

                When hes supposed to be the best player on the defense, he is not getting it done at that level. Not good at all.
                Agreed. He is the only defensive lineman who gets any pass rush but he's part of the problem with the run defense.

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                • feltdizz
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                  • May 2008
                  • 27532

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Shawn
                  Heyward has been bad this year? I'm not seeing what you are seeing.
                  haven't heard his name much this year. He was much better last year, thought he would build on it but he hasn't shown much
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                  • Chadman
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                    • May 2008
                    • 6537

                    #54
                    As an individual player, McLendon is probably a fine player.

                    As a 3-4 Zone Blitz NT, he's a terrible fit.

                    As an anchor in the run game, he's a terrible fit.

                    When Ziggy Hood replaced Aaron Smith at DE, the Steelers Run D was solid, if not dominant.

                    Yet we all bagged Ziggy for being weak.

                    The Run D has fallen apart since McLendon became the starting NT. It's not since Heyward took over at DE. It's not since Cam Thomas came to the Steelers.

                    It's since Hampton retired & McLendon became a starter.

                    As an individual 1 technique type DT, sure- he is probably fine.

                    He's a terrible fit for this Defense.

                    The DL needs to dominate the LOS. You watch the Steelers in Run D, the only one that can cause 'regular' pocket collapse is Heyward- even if his run defense is not 'great'. For mine, Heyward is Keisel's sucessor. He's the 'pressure' guy. You need 2 anchor's to take up blockers & let the expensive, high round LB's the freedom to make plays.

                    When was the last time our LB's dominated?

                    Probably around the time we had a dominant 3-4 Zone Blitz NT...
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                    • K Train
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                      • Jan 2014
                      • 3685

                      #55
                      Hood was the opposite of weak, his functional strength wasnt amazing but he was far from weak. He was best over center because he was a good one on one player on the inside. On the outside he lacked discipline in his gap and on passing plays he would try to bend the corner like a big fat OLB, which then he could easily be washed out of the play be a back or a TE.

                      Mcclendon is not a great fit if you play the defense like we did in 08, but they arent...they are playing him at 1 tech and Heyward at 4 tech...i see what they are trying to do but it is not working at all....they arent playing the same 0 tech and 5 tech like Casey and Aaron Smith played. But even then the power blocking teams (carolina, TB and jacksonville) couldnt run on them, bad run games in general but still thats not their weakness. The ravens and browns GASHED them on the ground and its because they cant defend the zone stretch and that is mostly on heyward and worilds imo.....i saw mcclendon make several tackles 9 yards down the field (forsett and tate), theres no reason that should be the case and it falls on Heyward/Worilds.

                      Jarvis Jones was good against the run and on pace for like 9-10 sacks...his edge setting ability has been missed, but even when he was playing well they would just run right towards worilds.

                      As far as pressure goes, i agree about the zone blitz, no argument there at all....run defending though, Mcclendon has been rock solid, cam heyward has been shaky at best, worilds has been flat out horrible, and cam thomas has been a step below worilds.

                      The defense actually plays well on 2nd/3rd and long....the problem is they are getting 2nd/3rd and shorts constantly and not doing anything surprising with the zone runs

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                      • Mr.wizard
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                        • May 2014
                        • 6686

                        #56
                        Originally posted by K Train
                        Hood was the opposite of weak, his functional strength wasnt amazing but he was far from weak. He was best over center because he was a good one on one player on the inside. On the outside he lacked discipline in his gap and on passing plays he would try to bend the corner like a big fat OLB, which then he could easily be washed out of the play be a back or a TE.

                        Mcclendon is not a great fit if you play the defense like we did in 08, but they arent...they are playing him at 1 tech and Heyward at 4 tech...i see what they are trying to do but it is not working at all....they arent playing the same 0 tech and 5 tech like Casey and Aaron Smith played. But even then the power blocking teams (carolina, TB and jacksonville) couldnt run on them, bad run games in general but still thats not their weakness. The ravens and browns GASHED them on the ground and its because they cant defend the zone stretch and that is mostly on heyward and worilds imo.....i saw mcclendon make several tackles 9 yards down the field (forsett and tate), theres no reason that should be the case and it falls on Heyward/Worilds.

                        Jarvis Jones was good against the run and on pace for like 9-10 sacks...his edge setting ability has been missed, but even when he was playing well they would just run right towards worilds.

                        As far as pressure goes, i agree about the zone blitz, no argument there at all....run defending though, Mcclendon has been rock solid, cam heyward has been shaky at best, worilds has been flat out horrible, and cam thomas has been a step below worilds.

                        The defense actually plays well on 2nd/3rd and long....the problem is they are getting 2nd/3rd and shorts constantly and not doing anything surprising with the zone runs
                        I agree, people still blaming the nose tackle for not stopping a zone stretch run clearly do not understand the concept. Stopping the zone stretch is not a matter of the lineman pushing up the field, its a matter of sliding lateral and filling gaps, the NT can only do so much when the running back is getting the edge.

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                        • fezziwig
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                          • Jan 2009
                          • 3515

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Shawn
                          That's a grave insult to the most underrated Steeler DB of all times.

                          $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ I'd take Deshea back in a moment. He was not a casualty to the defense

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                          • fordfixer
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                            • May 2008
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                            #58
                            Originally posted by papillon
                            I think they should go to the 110 defense, the Steeler corners can't cover anyhow, maybe with 11 rushing and 0 in pass coverage they can stop the run and potentially get a sack.

                            Pappy
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                            • steelerkeylargo
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                              • Mar 2009
                              • 2507

                              #59
                              Originally posted by The Man of Steel
                              There are white cornerbacks out there in free agency right now who are better than Cortez Allen.
                              Hello Mr. Racist






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                              • Shoe
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                                • May 2008
                                • 4044

                                #60
                                Originally posted by steelerkeylargo
                                Hello Mr. Racist
                                How is that racist?
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