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  • JoshBroski
    Backup
    • Sep 2014
    • 129

    #46
    Originally posted by Vader
    LeBeau has tried a lot of different things. He put Keisel and Heyward on the left side and shifted Worilds and Jones on the right side. He's tried his amoeba defense. He used Keisel at ROLB. The put Heyward playing a zero or 1 technique at the nose. He used 3 ILBs at times with Worilds, Shazier and Timmons. The sack with Moats you have Heyward dropping into coverage. Riveria even said that LeBeau surprised him with some of the looks and pre-snap reads that he saw from the Steelers defense. The problem is that he doesn't have the players anymore. Worilds isn't getting it done. Jones is hurt. Heyward is up and down. McClendon isn't a typical 3-4 NG. They haven't drafted him any DBs high. Ike is hurt. Shazier is hurt.

    This goes back to Tomberts drafts and not so good talent evaluation. Too many Hoods, Joe Burnetts and Butlers.
    Joe Burnett was a midget 5th round pick if I remember right. Butler was taller 5th (6th?). You can't seriously hold that against Colbert.

    Heyward and J. Jones were considered absolute steals at their prospective spots. Scouts were calling Heyward the next Richard Seymour. Jones was getting comparisons to Von Miller coming out. Hell, the Colts GM was praising Worilds before he was drafted and made it clear he wanted him. The same guy who was playing Freeney and Mathis at DE at the time. So why is it that all of these guys not performing up to their level? Were all the scouts wrong? Heyward and Jones were no-brainer picks for Colbert. LeBeau's defense just doesn't work anymore. Preventing the big play will not work in today's NFL. Offenses are patient and will dink and dunk all the way into the endzone; especially if your DBs play so far back.

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    • steelz09
      Administrator
      • Jan 2008
      • 4675

      #47
      Originally posted by oviedo
      ...or you can bet the future on jarvis jones (probably can't hear me snickering right now) who is very underwhelming for the supposed best prepared lb for our defense in his draft from the supposed best conference in college football. The reality is that we don't have the olbs necessary for lebeau's defense to work, but we'll keep plugging along hoping the miracle occurs with jones and the defensive line keeps occupying blockers versus going after the qb.
      hahahahahaha
      Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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      • NorthCoast
        Legend
        • Sep 2008
        • 26636

        #48
        Originally posted by JoshBroski
        This is what happens when you refuse to play your high draft picks off the bat. 1 year...err...half year wonders getting paid huge contracts.
        Right.......

        In 2010 when the Steelers went to the Superbowl, LeBeau should have yanked Farrior and played Sylvester. While he was at it bench Ike, and start Crezdon Butler. Then yank Keisel and put in the awesome Doug Worthington. That lineup would have gotten them to the Superbowl for sure.

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        • JoshBroski
          Backup
          • Sep 2014
          • 129

          #49
          Originally posted by NorthCoast
          Right.......

          In 2010 when the Steelers went to the Superbowl, LeBeau should have yanked Farrior and played Sylvester. While he was at it bench Ike, and start Crezdon Butler. Then yank Keisel and put in the awesome Doug Worthington. That lineup would have gotten them to the Superbowl for sure.
          Because Sylvester, Butler, and Doug Worthington were (keyword) "HIGH" draft picks

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          • AxnJxn
            Backup
            • Nov 2008
            • 116

            #50
            Originally posted by Slapstick
            Eh, it's a one year deal...inconvenient this season, but not a long term commitment or a cap killer.
            Exactly. They overpaid this year to make sure he wasn't a 1/2 year fluke, which it seems he was. In the long run, it's going to save them a lot of money and cap pain. The only negative is they're going to be in the market for an OLB next year. Really need JJ to turn into a solid, productive player now.

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            • Oviedo
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 23824

              #51
              Originally posted by JoshBroski
              Joe Burnett was a midget 5th round pick if I remember right. Butler was taller 5th (6th?). You can't seriously hold that against Colbert.

              Heyward and J. Jones were considered absolute steals at their prospective spots. Scouts were calling Heyward the next Richard Seymour. Jones was getting comparisons to Von Miller coming out. Hell, the Colts GM was praising Worilds before he was drafted and made it clear he wanted him. The same guy who was playing Freeney and Mathis at DE at the time. So why is it that all of these guys not performing up to their level? Were all the scouts wrong? Heyward and Jones were no-brainer picks for Colbert. LeBeau's defense just doesn't work anymore. Preventing the big play will not work in today's NFL. Offenses are patient and will dink and dunk all the way into the endzone; especially if your DBs play so far back.
              JB is right on the mark!!!!!! It's not the players, it is refusing to modify what you do to play to the strengths of what we have and not what LeBeau wishes he had.
              "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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              • feltdizz
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 27531

                #52
                Originally posted by JoshBroski
                Joe Burnett was a midget 5th round pick if I remember right. Butler was taller 5th (6th?). You can't seriously hold that against Colbert.
                didn't Colbert have a hand in picking these players?
                Steelers 27
                Rats 16

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                • RuthlessBurgher
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 33208

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Oviedo
                  I have no disdain towards LeBeau.
                  You could have fooled...well, pretty much anyone who has been on this board for more than 30 seconds.
                  Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                  Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                  We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                  We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                  • RuthlessBurgher
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 33208

                    #54
                    Originally posted by JoshBroski
                    Because Sylvester, Butler, and Doug Worthington were (keyword) "HIGH" draft picks
                    Substitute Bruce Davis, Curtis Brown, and Ziggy Hood then instead. Does that work?

                    Actually, though, Le'Veon Bell is our one true HIGH draft pick.
                    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                    • Oviedo
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 23824

                      #55
                      Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                      You could have fooled...well, pretty much anyone who has been on this board for more than 30 seconds.
                      Ruthless, that is because you guys act like this is personal and what we write really means anything. My problem with LeBeau is and has always been he gets a pass for his ongoing current failures because everyone is so in love with his past. I was as much a LeBeau fan as anyone until 3-4 years ago where I saw that the defense was slipping and we just kept doing the same things. For me it is impossible to have faith in a coach who has built his "legend" on a defense that pressures the QB and forces turnovers yet he has zero clue how to do that going on four years now. I also tire of his failure to develop players and his desire to make players sit and watch until they achieve some magical rite of passage that Coach Mitchell and him have put into place. It's not like we have Pro Bowl players blocking these young guys from getting on the field anymore. Like I said many times, how much do you learn in practice going at 50% or less with no contact? So everyone can continue to characterize any criticism of LeBeau as personal because it allows them in some strange way to continue with idol worship and the justification to not see what is really happening and has been happening.
                      "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                      • Slapstick
                        Rookie
                        • May 2008
                        • 0

                        #56
                        We characterize it as personal because it certainly reads as personal...
                        Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                        • fezziwig
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 3515

                          #57
                          Worilds was never good in my opinion. Another one Tomlin was so excited about when they drafted him and nothing but another player they wasted time and money on.

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                          • feltdizz
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 27531

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Slapstick
                            We characterize it as personal because it certainly reads as personal...
                            because it's personal. Same with JJ.

                            Ovi has a hit list and once you are on it, you are dead in his eyes.
                            Steelers 27
                            Rats 16

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                            • Oviedo
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 23824

                              #59
                              Originally posted by feltdizz
                              because it's personal. Same with JJ.

                              Ovi has a hit list and once you are on it, you are dead in his eyes.
                              Felt--go back and read what you just wrote. Now we are talking virtual, message board hit lists to ignore talking problems on this defense and cover for our legendary coach. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it. Could it be I'm willing to discuss how the performance of Coach LeBeau's defense has been slipping for years and he doesn't seem to be able to fix it? But of course its not him. Should we just ignore it and hope because of what happened 8-10 years ago and maybe blame Haley and offense like we did Arians ? Blame Colbert? How about we blame Tomlin? How about the Rooney's? Maybe blame the guys selling beer? Could my opinions be shaped because JJ is less than advertised? Has he really performed as the supposed best prepared LB coming out of college for our system? Or do we ignore that he isn't yet, and yes I hope he becomes, the dominant pass rusher we need at ROLB? This trite reliance on "personal" is just a way to ignore acknowledging that certain people are not performing to the level they need to. We have no problem doing it on this board for pretty much any player or coach, and sometimes its pretty ruthless, except for LeBeau or JJ. Then it seems that we are just suppose to bury our heads and blindly accept that they aren't problem and its just circumstances working against them.
                              "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                              • Steelhere10
                                Hall of Famer
                                • May 2008
                                • 3849

                                #60
                                Originally posted by JoshBroski
                                Joe Burnett was a midget 5th round pick if I remember right. Butler was taller 5th (6th?). You can't seriously hold that against Colbert.

                                Heyward and J. Jones were considered absolute steals at their prospective spots. Scouts were calling Heyward the next Richard Seymour. Jones was getting comparisons to Von Miller coming out. Hell, the Colts GM was praising Worilds before he was drafted and made it clear he wanted him. The same guy who was playing Freeney and Mathis at DE at the time. So why is it that all of these guys not performing up to their level? Were all the scouts wrong? Heyward and Jones were no-brainer picks for Colbert. LeBeau's defense just doesn't work anymore. Preventing the big play will not work in today's NFL. Offenses are patient and will dink and dunk all the way into the endzone; especially if your DBs play so far back.
                                The truth is here, but fans are blind to it... It's Tomlin and Colbert fault. But reality is that it's Mitchell and Dickey fault.
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