What Happened to Jason Worilds

[steelsnis]

Felt--go back and read what you just wrote. Now we are talking virtual, message board hit lists to ignore talking problems on this defense and cover for our legendary coach. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it. Could it be I'm willing to discuss how the performance of Coach LeBeau's defense has been slipping for years and he doesn't seem to be able to fix it? But of course its not him. Should we just ignore it and hope because of what happened 8-10 years ago and maybe blame Haley and offense like we did Arians ? Blame Colbert? How about we blame Tomlin? How about the Rooney's? Maybe blame the guys selling beer? Could my opinions be shaped because JJ is less than advertised? Has he really performed as the supposed best prepared LB coming out of college for our system? Or do we ignore that he isn't yet, and yes I hope he becomes, the dominant pass rusher we need at ROLB? This trite reliance on "personal" is just a way to ignore acknowledging that certain people are not performing to the level they need to. We have no problem doing it on this board for pretty much any player or coach, and sometimes its pretty ruthless, except for LeBeau or JJ. Then it seems that we are just suppose to bury our heads and blindly accept that they aren't problem and its just circumstances working against them.

Part of the problem, Ovi is that you try to play both sides, especially with regard to JJ and Lebeau. You complain about Lebeau's system and how complex it is and how reliant he is on vets and not playing rookies. Yet, when a rookie like JJ gets thrown in the fire and has the normal struggles of a rookie starting in the NFL, you pounce on him and say he's not as good as advertised, or worse, not good at all.

If Lebeau plays rookies and they struggle (as virtually EVERY rookie does), you crush the rookie and say he's no good. If Lebeau plays veterans, you can criticize him for playing old, slow players and not giving the rookies a chance to see the field.

That is why people have an issue with you on this.

[squidkid]

Joe Burnett was a midget 5th round pick if I remember right. Butler was taller 5th (6th?). You can't seriously hold that against Colbert.

Heyward and J. Jones were considered absolute steals at their prospective spots. Scouts were calling Heyward the next Richard Seymour. Jones was getting comparisons to Von Miller coming out. Hell, the Colts GM was praising Worilds before he was drafted and made it clear he wanted him. The same guy who was playing Freeney and Mathis at DE at the time. So why is it that all of these guys not performing up to their level? Were all the scouts wrong? Heyward and Jones were no-brainer picks for Colbert. LeBeau's defense just doesn't work anymore. Preventing the big play will not work in today's NFL. Offenses are patient and will dink and dunk all the way into the endzone; especially if your DBs play so far back.

the only people calling these guys absolute steals were the 'fans' on these message boards.
these guys wouldnt have fallen past that many GMS if they were all that

[feltdizz]

Felt--go back and read what you just wrote. Now we are talking virtual, message board hit lists to ignore talking problems on this defense and cover for our legendary coach. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it. Could it be I'm willing to discuss how the performance of Coach LeBeau's defense has been slipping for years and he doesn't seem to be able to fix it? But of course its not him. Should we just ignore it and hope because of what happened 8-10 years ago and maybe blame Haley and offense like we did Arians ? Blame Colbert? How about we blame Tomlin? How about the Rooney's? Maybe blame the guys selling beer? Could my opinions be shaped because JJ is less than advertised? Has he really performed as the supposed best prepared LB coming out of college for our system? Or do we ignore that he isn't yet, and yes I hope he becomes, the dominant pass rusher we need at ROLB? This trite reliance on "personal" is just a way to ignore acknowledging that certain people are not performing to the level they need to. We have no problem doing it on this board for pretty much any player or coach, and sometimes its pretty ruthless, except for LeBeau or JJ. Then it seems that we are just suppose to bury our heads and blindly accept that they aren't problem and its just circumstances working against them.

I have no problem with the bashing of Lebeau's D lately....

but how in the hell can you rip DL's scheme for being too complex and reliant on vets and then bash JJ for looking lost in his defense?

WTF dude... it's not even worth arguing over because you defeat your own argument every time you bash Lebeau's system.

The same people who said JJ was best suited for our 3-4 are the same people YOU bash for this 3-4.

we get it, you hated the pick.

But 3 games in JJ had 2 sacks and a FF and you still keep crying about his rookie year.

You really need to stfu about JJ because it makes you sound foolish.. you are arguing against your own interest and everyone see's it but you.

[K Train]

the only people calling these guys absolute steals were the 'fans' on these message boards.
these guys wouldnt have fallen past that many GMS if they were all that

what horrible reasoning...the chances of you drafting a guy that another team drafted already are always 0%

Guys fall for a load of reasons....positional value (decastro), medical concerns (jones (neck) /robert quinn (brain), daquan bowers (knee)), timed speed (Kelvin Benjamin, Keenan Allen), being gay (Sam), being a pothead (Adams, Janoris Jenkins), being a coke head (Matheiu, Mallet). Oh and then theres team needs, sometimes thats a pretty big one.

Rarely do you get a slam dunk world class prospect at 15...by your reasoning theres no reason to have a big board since if "other GMs" dont draft a guy, they must suck

[hawaiiansteel]

these guys wouldnt have fallen past that many GMS if they were all that

yeah, a QB like Tom Brady would never fall into the 6th round and get past all those other astute GMs...

[RuthlessBurgher]

sometimes its pretty ruthless

Yeah, it is.

[Oviedo]

I have no problem with the bashing of Lebeau's D lately....

Then why do you spend so much of your energy complaining about other posters who do and make excuses for and not discuss LeBeau's D failings? As far as JJ, I think it is legit to discuss the performance of a 1st Round pick. I have no issue with him starting last year. My issue was he couldn't stay in the line up. That has consistently been my opinion that these guys don't develop going 50% at practice with no contact. That 's on LeBeau, not JJ but let's not pretend that JJ is tearing it up either. He is doing about the same as Worilds did, to include wrist injury, and Worilds got destroyed on this board but with JJ it is well he just needs time. I honestly hope JJ is another Kevin Greene but its not wrong to want to see it actually happen versus hope it happens. BTW--I probably won't stfu if that is OK with you. Feel free to put me on ignore because it won't bother me at all.

[hawaiiansteel]

As far as JJ, I think it is legit to discuss the performance of a 1st Round pick. I have no issue with him starting last year. My issue was he couldn't stay in the line up. That has consistently been my opinion that these guys don't develop going 50% at practice with no contact. That 's on LeBeau, not JJ but let's not pretend that JJ is tearing it up either.

JJ will struggle until his contract year, then make 160 tackles with 20 sacks.

he will then leave the Steelers and sign with the Atlanta Falcons, giving them a hometown discount...

[hawaiiansteel]

Dick LeBeau stands behind Jason Worilds

October, 3, 2014
By Scott Brown | ESPN.com

PITTSBURGH -- Jason Worilds, the Pittsburgh Steelers' second highest-paid defensive player this season, has one sack and three quarterback pressures at the quarter point of the season.

But Dick LeBeau said Worilds is not to blame for the Steelers' lack of consistent pressure on opposing quarterbacks.

"[Worilds] is playing hard," the Steelers defensive coordinator said. "As a defense we have to get better in that area, but I would not hang it on anyone personally anyway."

The Steelers have just four sacks in their last three games. But LeBeau said that in the Steelers' 27-24 loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, "We were literally inches away from some pretty big plays with our rush."

That was the case when the Steelers were nursing a 24-20 lead with 40 seconds left in the game.

After a bad punt gave the Buccaneers the ball at the Steelers' 46-yard line, Worilds nearly sacked Tampa Bay quarterback Mike Glennon.

Glennon got rid of the ball right as Worilds drilled him. Had Worilds dropped Glennon, the Buccaneers would have been on their side of the field with 20 to 25 seconds left since they could not stop the clock.

"It's coming," Worilds said of consistent pressure on the quarterback.

It has to from the outside linebackers in a 3-4 defense and the Steelers don't have a lot of options at the position for the foreseeable future.

Jarvis Jones is out for at least the next seven games as he recovers from surgery that fixed a dislocated wrist. Arthur Moats is starting in Jones' place at right outside linebacker with 36-year-old James Harrison, who re-signed with the Steelers last week, behind him.

The Steelers don't have anyone behind Worilds at left outside linebacker unless they play Moats there when Harrison is in at right outside linebacker.

Worilds, who signed a one-year, $9.754 million contract in March, led the Steelers with eight sacks last season, and the fifth-year veteran really came on in the second half of last season.

The Steelers need Worilds to emerge as the force he was after getting a chance to start regularly in 2013. And LeBeau is confident Harrison will give the Steelers more after playing 29 snaps against the Buccaneers but not generating much pressure on Glennon.

"He felt great and really wanted to play more snaps than that," LeBeau said of Harrison. "I think that was a good session for him and I think that he will gradually get more and more snaps."

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[sick beats]

LaBuue still defending Worilds. Want to guess that he had a hand in influencing ownership that he really needed him back? How much you want to bet? Writing is on the wall. DL sold that he needed him back, so now he is trying to save face, even though JW has been nothing but a turd so far: 1 sack, and tons of blown assignments on rushing plays. Not good.

[JoshBroski]

the only people calling these guys absolute steals were the 'fans' on these message boards.
these guys wouldnt have fallen past that many GMS if they were all that

Just like Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, DeCastro, etc. Players fall all the time. It wasn't just 'fans,' it was scouts as well.

If you didn't think JJ was the most ready 3-4 OLB coming out of the draft then I don't know what to say.

[JoshBroski]

didn't Colbert have a hand in picking these players?

Of course but go around the NFL and tell me how many 5th round picks panned out in the last 5 years. Your 1st round pick has got to pan out or you're in trouble. That hasn't really happened for us lately. If you're 2nd and 3rd pan out then you're gold. Anything after that is a bonus. Finding gems like AB don't happen often.

[JoshBroski]

Substitute Bruce Davis, Curtis Brown, and Ziggy Hood then instead. Does that work?

Actually, though, Le'Veon Bell is our one true HIGH draft pick.

I hated the Evander Hood pick with a passion. He didn't fit a 3-4 defense at all. He was a pure 4-3 DT...too short to play 3-4 DE and too thin to play NT. But looking around at his spot (32nd overall), there wasn't many other options.

[Slapstick]

That is true about Ziggy...that draft was not great...

[Shoe]

Heyward and J. Jones were considered absolute steals at their prospective spots. Scouts were calling Heyward the next Richard Seymour. Jones was getting comparisons to Von Miller coming out. Hell, the Colts GM was praising Worilds before he was drafted and made it clear he wanted him. The same guy who was playing Freeney and Mathis at DE at the time. So why is it that all of these guys not performing up to their level? Were all the scouts wrong? Heyward and Jones were no-brainer picks for Colbert. LeBeau's defense just doesn't work anymore. Preventing the big play will not work in today's NFL. Offenses are patient and will dink and dunk all the way into the endzone; especially if your DBs play so far back.

You are mistaken. Both Heyward and Jones were there because they had legitimate warts that made them available. With Jones, it was his 4.9 speed and spinal stenosis. With Heyward, he isn't the athletic talent that Seymour was. In the case of Heyward, I was proven wrong (I thought he would be another Ziggy-like impact). Heyward's mitigating strengths are: his strength and his workmanlike attitude.

Worilds is what he is... a guy who disappears when you need him most, but will reel off a couple games where he gets some sacks, and end up around 9 sacks again and will have people thinking he is something.