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I would love for Ben to throw the ball 30 times per game...

Believe it or not, that would actually be less than last season...

And when they are down late in a game with no timeouts and need 80 yards to go, they run the ball, right?

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gezzus crash, did you think the steelers were the only team in the league that had to play the last two minutes of a game? the only team that had halves and finals? do yoy really think the steelers were down by 7 with 2 minutes to go more than any other team in the league?

When you are 30th in field position (On a team that had a Pro Bowl Returner) because your defense can't force turnovers and you have to commit to running the ball like ownership wants? You aren't going to score a lot of points because of the time it takes.

Art has a choice A) He can stop meddling and allow his OCs to run his offense or B) Keep meddling, and don't win Super Bowls anymore.

What would be funny? Is if the defense still can't force turnovers, and the offense struggles because of those same issues with Haley as they did with Arians, but because a "Pittsburgh guy" is now running the offense, THEN LeBeau will start facing the heat.

The worst thing that could have happened to LeBeau did, a PITTSBURGH GUY, now runs their offense.

[fordfixer]

When you are 30th in field position (On a team that had a Pro Bowl Returner) because your defense can't force turnovers and you have to commit to running the ball like ownership wants? You aren't going to score a lot of points because of the time it takes.

Art has a choice A) He can stop meddling and allow his OCs to run his offense or B) Keep meddling, and don't win Super Bowls anymore.

What would be funny? Is if the defense still can't force turnovers, and the offense struggles because of those same issues with Haley as they did with Arians, but because a "Pittsburgh guy" is now running the offense, THEN LeBeau will start facing the heat.

The worst thing that could have happened to LeBeau did, a PITTSBURGH GUY, now runs their offense.

What kind of "fan" would find it funny to see their team lose? Go back to the Browns board you came from

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What kind of "fan" would find it funny to see their team lose?

Learn to read.

Who said anything about losing? Not I. We won 12 games last season, Arians still got fired. So winning didn't help Arians did it?

The point is, now that a PITTSBURGH GUY runs their offense? LeBeau's defense better start forcing turnovers and start holding 4th quarter leads in big games.

Because if they don't? And fans start whining about it because it hinders the local guy's offense? LeBeau will be looking for work.

[phillyesq]

Oh this argument again.

This is Ben's 9th season. In this season he will be paid $15 MILLION.

If you want a game manager to hand off all day. Ben needs to go.

Good day.

So, as always, when confronted when information that does not support your point, you simply decline to provide a meaningful response. Did I say that I wanted a game manager? No, you brought up the straw man and refuted your own bogus argument by referring to Ben's salary.

Bottom line, there is generally an inverse relationship between Ben's passing attempts and the Steelers winning percentage.

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Bottom line, there is generally an inverse relationship between Ben's passing attempts and the Steelers winning percentage.

And like I said, when Ben has ONE TURNOVER, and they are down 29-7 in the 2nd half what do YOU WANT?

Run the ball because we're the Steelers?

or

Pass to try and get back in the game?

[hawaiiansteel]

When you are 30th in field position (On a team that had a Pro Bowl Returner) because your defense can't force turnovers and you have to commit to running the ball like ownership wants? You aren't going to score a lot of points because of the time it takes.

we ran the ball less than 45% of the time and passed more than 55% of the time last season, you conveniently seem to overlook that fact with your "we had to commit to the run" comments.

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we ran the ball less than 45% of the time and passed more than 55% of the time last season, you conveniently seem to overlook that fact with your "we had to commit to the run" comments.

And like you were told, how many of those passes were in obvious pass situations at halves or the end of games?

First down is the most important play of any series. And we ran 58% of the time on it.

That number MUST be closer to 50%. That way you see, 2nd down can be closer to 50% as well.

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And like you were told, how many of those passes were in obvious pass situations at halves or the end of games?

First down is the most important play of any series. And we ran 58% of the time on it.

That number MUST be closer to 50%. That way you see, 2nd down can be closer to 50% as well.

Correct. Having a plan to be able to run on a given down is a true commitment to the run.

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Correct. Having a plan to be able to run on a given down is a true commitment to the run.

When it's 2nd and 10? They aren't running 50% of the time with a $15 mil a year QB.

Sorry, just the way it is.

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When it's 2nd and 10? They aren't running 50% of the time with a $15 mil a year QB.

Sorry, just the way it is.

Again, the idea is to run effectively so that a pass or run option exists on 2nd down (ie 2nd and 6).

Nobody but you believes in running just for the sake of running. The rest of us, including Art II, want an effective running game that DCs must account for in game planning. Not was Arians did.

[hawaiiansteel]

And like you were told, how many of those passes were in obvious pass situations at halves or the end of games?

irst down is the most important play of any series. And we ran 58% of the time on it.

and like I responded back to you earlier but you conveniently chose to ignore, do you think the Steelers are the only team that find themselves in obvious passing situations at the end of halves or at the end of games?

because Arians chose to be predictable on first down was Arians' choice, that's not a commitment to the run but instead is sheer stupidity, arrogance and predictability. how you can continue to defend Arians and his ridiculous play calling is beyond me...

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and like I responded back to you earlier but you conveniently chose to ignore, do you think the Steelers are the only team that find themselves in obvious passing situations at the end of halves or at the end of games?

No, but not many teams are as obsessed with running the ball as our owner and some fans want either. Not many teams also would ignore the fact that a defense forces 15 turnovers all year on a team where forcing the run is an issue.

You can't force the run and only force 15 turnovers all year and expect to score 30 points a game.

because Arians chose to be predictable on first down was Arians' choice, that's not a commitment to the run but instead is sheer stupidity, arrogance and predictability. how you can continue to defend Arians and his ridiculous play calling is beyond me...

If Haley's offense runs the ball on 50% of 1st down and the defense still stinks in the 4th quarter? II will fire Haley for it.

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No, but not many teams are as obsessed with running the ball as our owner and some fans want either. Not many teams also would ignore the fact that a defense forces 15 turnovers all year on a team where forcing the run is an issue.

You can't force the run and only force 15 turnovers all year and expect to score 30 points a game.



If Haley's offense runs the ball on 50% of 1st down and the defense still stinks in the 4th quarter? II will fire Haley for it. [/COLOR]

If Haley's offense is able to score more points and run the ball, close games in the 4th shouldn't be a problem...

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If Haley's offense is able to score more points and run the ball, close games in the 4th shouldn't be a problem...

They'll always be an issue as long as LeBeau is here. Just the way it is.

The only way it won't be? Is if we stop obsessing over the run and just blow teams out of the water with the alleged skill we have on offense.