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  • Slapstick
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    • May 2008
    • 0

    Originally posted by Crash
    They'll always be an issue as long as LeBeau is here. Just the way it is.

    The only way it won't be? Is if we stop obsessing over the run and just blow teams out of the water with the alleged skill we have on offense.
    Well, passing 56% of the time isn't getting it done...

    Improving the run game is the alternative..
    Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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    • Crash
      Legend
      • Apr 2009
      • 5008

      Originally posted by Slapstick
      Well, passing 56% of the time isn't getting it done
      So like I told you. When they need a score and it's hurry up, you want to run the ball, yes?

      You read stats, you don't watch games and follow context.

      If you want 1970s football? Ben has to go. You can't play 1970s football with a $15 mil a year QB.

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      • hawaiiansteel
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 35649

        Originally posted by Crash
        So like I told you. When they need a score and it's hurry up, you want to run the ball, yes?

        how about those times when we are up at the end of games then and just run the ball or take a knee 3 times, that skews the percentages just as much the other way also.

        can't just conveniently pick one way just because it suits your needs better...

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        • Slapstick
          Rookie
          • May 2008
          • 0

          Originally posted by Crash
          So like I told you. When they need a score and it's hurry up, you want to run the ball, yes?

          You read stats, you don't watch games and follow context.

          If you want 1970s football? Ben has to go. You can't play 1970s football with a $15 mil a year QB.
          You are either incapable of understanding me or you are just being willfully ignorant...

          Simply restating my argument incorrectly isn't actual discussion..it just means that you can't refute my point and you refuse to concede it, so you change my argument into something easier for you to deal with...

          When a score is needed and time is limited, I want the Steelers to be able to pass effectively...

          When a lead needs to be maintained late in the 4th quarter, I want the Steelers to be able to run effectively and churn out 1st downs..

          On first downs, I want the Steelers to be able to pass and run with equal efficacy, so the defenses are unable to make the Steelers one-dimensional on 2nd and 3rd downs...

          How's that for context?

          And stop patronizing other posters by claiming that only you watch the games...again, that is simply a cheap tactic that you use when you are unable to discuss things like an adult...
          Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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          • Crash
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            • Apr 2009
            • 5008

            how about those times when we are up at the end of games then and just run the ball or take a knee 3 times, that skews the percentages just as much the other way also.


            Not sure but I don't believe kneel downs are considered an official rushing stat anymore.

            Rushing at the end of games when we have a lead? We've done that for 8 years, and there's no issue with that when they are winning and playing well.

            The problem however, is that most fans who love 1970s football can't grasp the concept that when your defense has a bad game? Or when you can't run the ball? You MUST throw.

            They would rather run just for the sake of "balance".

            29-7 in Baltimore in the 2nd half, Ben had one turnover at that point? What should they do to try and get back in the game?

            That's what people refuse to consider.

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            • Crash
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              • Apr 2009
              • 5008

              Originally posted by Slapstick
              When a lead needs to be maintained late in the 4th quarter, I want the Steelers to be able to run effectively and churn out 1st downs..
              That hasn't been the issue. That's not why 4th quarter leads have been blown at an alarming rate since 2009.

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              • Slapstick
                Rookie
                • May 2008
                • 0

                How often are the Steelers down 29-7?

                You can't manage to the exception, you have to manage to the rule...

                The Steelers threw the ball 40 times in San Fran...how much did they score?
                Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                • Crash
                  Legend
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 5008

                  Originally posted by Slapstick
                  How often are the Steelers down 29-7?

                  You can't manage to the exception, you have to manage to the rule...

                  The Steelers threw the ball 40 times in San Fran...how much did they score?
                  And what happened that game? The defense once again, gave up points on their first drive.

                  Leads aren't blown because we throw.

                  Leads are blown because after the Steelers score TDs, the defense gives them right back.

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                  • Slapstick
                    Rookie
                    • May 2008
                    • 0

                    21st in scoring happens because the offense couldn't run effectively..

                    If the Steelers score points like their offensive talent says they should, even LeBeau's "terrible" defense shouldn't be able to screw it up...

                    Here's hoping "the golf coach" succeeds where Arians did not...
                    Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                    • hawaiiansteel
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 35649

                      Originally posted by Crash
                      And what happened that game? The defense once again, gave up points on their first drive.

                      Leads aren't blown because we throw.

                      Leads are blown because after the Steelers score TDs, the defense gives them right back.

                      it's hard to win when you only score 3 points.

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                      • Crash
                        Legend
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 5008

                        Originally posted by Slapstick
                        21st in scoring happens because the offense couldn't run effectively
                        No Slap, 21st in scoring happens when you force the run and go 80 yards every time you score a point.

                        Hawaii here keeps talking about the Saints.

                        But like I told him, if Ben throws 657 times? Todd Haley will be fired by Art Rooney II.

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                        • Crash
                          Legend
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 5008

                          Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                          it's hard to win when you only score 3 points.
                          Leads are blown because after the Steelers score TDs, the defense gives them right back.

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                          • Crash
                            Legend
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 5008

                            Originally posted by Slapstick
                            If the Steelers score points like their offensive talent says they should, even LeBeau's "terrible" defense shouldn't be able to screw it up...
                            Well guess what? When the defense comes on the field FIRST and gives up points and time off the clock? Not much the offense can do for them at that point.

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                            • hawaiiansteel
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 35649

                              Originally posted by Crash
                              Leads are blown because after the Steelers score TDs, the defense gives them right back.

                              the Steelers never scored a TD in the 49ers game, you can tell that by the fact we only scored 3 points. try and stay on subject...

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                              • Slapstick
                                Rookie
                                • May 2008
                                • 0

                                Originally posted by Crash
                                No Slap, 21st in scoring happens when you force the run and go 80 yards every time you score a point.

                                Hawaii here keeps talking about the Saints.

                                But like I told him, if Ben throws 657 times? Todd Haley will be fired by Art Rooney II.
                                But they didn't force the run...they passed 56% of the time...

                                Running on first down and then abandoning it isn't a commitment to the run game..-f it were, Arians would still be in Pittsburgh...
                                Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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