Pope boasts red-zone pedigree

[fordfixer]

What happened was Ben threw a pick at an inopportune time in the game and in the end it didn't matter. Now you're more than welcome to rationalize Ben's mistake and blame it on Lebeau, Arians, Tomlin, Haley (I'm not sure how, but I'm sure you'll figure a way to blame him too) or Rooney. You asked for an example where Ben threw a bad pick and I gave you one. I'm certain he's taken a bad sack as well and you can make that assumption and be correct just because of the way Ben plays the game, he tries to win on every play. I personally love his style, but he does screw up many times. He's simply so GD good when he's good that you have to overlook the bad. No one on this board hates Ben and I'm certain we're all passionate about the Steelers and them winning. At times it's difficult to understand how you're a fan of this team with the clear animosity you have for some players and coaches.

Pappy

I agree with Pappy

[Captain Lemming]

No, I'm a Steelers fan. But not one of those fans who wants Ben off this team just so they can go back to 1970s ball.

I want Ben to throw 32 TDs against defenses that fear our run game like he did when we ran the the ball more. Ben did it in a hundred fewer attempts than last year.

[Captain Lemming]

No he doesn't. He's looking at TOTALS. He's making the same mistakes that uneducated national media do in regards to this team and how they win.

No Crash the media is like YOU and think that a QB needs to throw 40 time a game to prove he is great. YARDAGE is the meaningless "TOTAL" and you want to see Ben up there with the likes of Peyton, Rodgers, and Brady in the in some vain attempt to prove he can do it too. I don't care about "totals" except for Points and "wins". In 2005 we scored more actual points despite employing "the turtle" which you hate to close games.

[Crash]

I want Ben to throw 32 TDs against defenses that fear our run game like he did when we ran the the ball more. Ben did it in a hundred fewer attempts than last year.

And how many of those 32 TD passes were in the second half because they were down in games? 12. As I say, what should they do when they are down in games late? Run the ball and lose?

If the Steelers are going to go back to running the ball, and they get leads in the first half? He'll get nowhere near 32. He'll get about 20-22.

Again, you read stat sheets, I'll watch the games.

[Crash]

In 2005 we scored more actual points despite employing "the turtle" which you hate to close games.[/COLOR]

And guess what? They also forced 32 turnovers. Or should I say more than TWICE as many as they did in 2011.

You get turnovers, you get short fields, you get turnovers, you get more chances to score points.

[hawaiiansteel]

You get turnovers, you get short fields, you get turnovers, you get more chances to score points.

the New Orleans Saints only forced one more turnover than we did all of last regular season, yet we were 21st in scoring and the Saints were 2nd in the NFL in that category outscoring us by 222 points.

[Crash]

the New Orleans Saints only forced one more turnover than we did all of last regular season, yet we were 21st in scoring and the Saints were 2nd in the NFL in that category outscoring us by 222 points.

And Drew Brees played in a dome all year and threw 600+ passes.

Ben throws 600+ passes Todd Haley won't see 2013 as the OC of this team.

[hawaiiansteel]

And Drew Brees played in a dome all year and threw 600+ passes.

Ben throws 600+ passes Todd Haley won't see 2013 as the OC of this team.

but I thought it was all about the turnovers?

[Crash]

but I thought it was all about the turnovers?

For the way Art wants US to play football, turnovers are a must.

[Captain Lemming]

And guess what? They also forced 32 turnovers. Or should I say more than TWICE as many as they did in 2011.

You get turnovers, you get short fields, you get turnovers, you get more chances to score points.

Wow great point.
However.....that 2005 team.
The one that ran so much.

It scored more than EVERY PASS HEAVY TEAM WE HAVE HAD in this era. 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010 AND last season. We had 36 turnovers one year and scored less than the 2005 team.

Crash this is just WAY too easy.

[Crash]

Crash this is just WAY too easy.

I agree, you prove how little you watch this team. You are comparing a totally different game then to the one Roger Goodell is creating NOW.

[Crash]

I agree, you prove how little you watch this team Cap.

If the Steelers are losing a game big in 2012? I hope they run the ball the entire 2nd half just to satisfy clowns like you.

[hawaiiansteel]

And Drew Brees played in a dome all year and threw 600+ passes.

and if Ben had thrown 600+ passes behind last year's OL and with Arians' affinity for slow developing 7-step drop patterns he would have been broken in two or killed by the end of the year.

[Crash]

and if Ben had thrown 600+ passes behind last year's OL and with Arians' affinity for slow developing 7-step drop patterns he would have been broken in two or killed by the end of the year.

And yet, he was broken by the end of the year anyway with our 58% run on first down offense.

That worked.

[hawaiiansteel]

And yet, he was broken by the end of the year anyway with our 58% run on first down offense.

That worked.

he was broken by the end of the year with us running less than 45% of the time and passing more than 55% of the time.

no, it didn't work and that's one of the many reasons Bruce Arians is no longer employed by the Pittsburgh Steelers.