Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

because he only has one legit WR fool!

Those other guys are TE's and RB's....

So only WR's dictate whether or not you have legitimate targets to throw too?

The name calling isnt necessary..and if I am not mistaken it is also a violation of the code of conduct here? Correct?

I'm sorry but when I say a team has one legit WR and you throw out other positions as proof he has more than one good WIDE RECEIVER it sounds foolish.

How is that foolish when Cam Newton has several targets he throws too? Their offense uses the TE and RB in their passing game more than most teams.

And question....If Legedu Naanee finishes the season at over 50 receptions as the #2 WR on his team, is he still not a legit WR?

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

I get what the thread is about, but don't you think you lose some credibility when you use one argument in thread A and the opposite argument in thread B?

No...you are the one trying to take what I said in a different thread topic and use it towards a thread topic about Cam Newton struggling in his last 4 out of 5 games. Two different topics altogether.

I have always been of the opinion that Cam isnt that good as a QB in relation to throwing the football. I said when teams make adjustments and have enough game film on him he will struggle. And this is is exactly what has happened.

And I think when he faces some adversary ( like after a couple of years of not winning), he is going to buckle even more.

They have led in 12 of 13 games at half.. they have a new coaching staff and a rookie QB. How in the hell can you make this statement. What's it based on? Surely not facts and logic. I know you are hoping Cam doesn't succeed but the reality is a bad 2-14 team is much better now with Cam and next year with OTA's and a full summer working with players plus getting a favorable draft position it looks like this team will easily improve next year.

I could see if the Panthers looked like trash but they have lost about 6 games by less then a TD and led at halftime in 5 of them. If anything the coaching adjustments are the real problem.

Ok...here we now have the excuses why. Got it.

[feltdizz]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=Dee Dub]

because he only has one legit WR fool!

Those other guys are TE's and RB's....

So only WR's dictate whether or not you have legitimate targets to throw too?

The name calling isnt necessary..and if I am not mistaken it is also a violation of the code of conduct here? Correct?

I'm sorry but when I say a team has one legit WR and you throw out other positions as proof he has more than one good WIDE RECEIVER it sounds foolish.

How is that foolish when Cam Newton has several targets he throws too? Their offense uses the TE and RB in their passing game more than most teams.

And question....If Legedu Naanee finishes the season at over 50 receptions as the #2 WR on his team, is he still not a legit WR?[/quote:3f2939da]

In Charlotte he is called NeNone... he may turn into a legit #2 but right now he isn't.

When we were thin at WR we didn't point out Ced's stats or El's stats or our RB or TE's receptions as proof Ben had weapons at WR, we went out and got legit WR's.

If the Panthers are smart they will do the same.

[feltdizz]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=Dee Dub]

I get what the thread is about, but don't you think you lose some credibility when you use one argument in thread A and the opposite argument in thread B?

No...you are the one trying to take what I said in a different thread topic and use it towards a thread topic about Cam Newton struggling in his last 4 out of 5 games. Two different topics altogether.

I have always been of the opinion that Cam isnt that good as a QB in relation to throwing the football. I said when teams make adjustments and have enough game film on him he will struggle. And this is is exactly what has happened.

And I think when he faces some adversary ( like after a couple of years of not winning), he is going to buckle even more.

They have led in 12 of 13 games at half.. they have a new coaching staff and a rookie QB. How in the hell can you make this statement. What's it based on? Surely not facts and logic. I know you are hoping Cam doesn't succeed but the reality is a bad 2-14 team is much better now with Cam and next year with OTA's and a full summer working with players plus getting a favorable draft position it looks like this team will easily improve next year.

I could see if the Panthers looked like trash but they have lost about 6 games by less then a TD and led at halftime in 5 of them. If anything the coaching adjustments are the real problem.

Ok...here we now have the excuses why. Got it.[/quote:2wkqsszm]

Good. Thread is done son!

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

bad choice of words. I meant they said he wouldn't have success as a passing QB in the NFL.

And so far those knocks have been correct.

Like I just wrote.. if you really watched Cam this year, I've seen almost every game, you will see a team who stomps on teams early but has no clue how to counter a teams adjustments at halftime.

And this goes to my lack of quality decision making. When the game is on the line and teams gear down to stop him, he will struggle.

No NFL QB grows without hitting a few bumps in the road. Your prediction is way too early and smells of wishing and hoping. It takes YEARS to evaluate a QB and you use the last 5 games as an indication of a career?

Wow.

I have seen enough of him to know that he isnt going to be too much more than what he is now as a passer. And again, wait till he faces tough times.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=feltdizz]

because he only has one legit WR fool!

Those other guys are TE's and RB's....

So only WR's dictate whether or not you have legitimate targets to throw too?

The name calling isnt necessary..and if I am not mistaken it is also a violation of the code of conduct here? Correct?

I'm sorry but when I say a team has one legit WR and you throw out other positions as proof he has more than one good WIDE RECEIVER it sounds foolish.

How is that foolish when Cam Newton has several targets he throws too? Their offense uses the TE and RB in their passing game more than most teams.

And question....If Legedu Naanee finishes the season at over 50 receptions as the #2 WR on his team, is he still not a legit WR?

In Charlotte he is called NeNone... he may turn into a legit #2 but right now he isn't.

When we were thin at WR we didn't point out Ced's stats or El's stats or our RB or TE's receptions as proof Ben had weapons at WR, we went out and got legit WR's.

If the Panthers are smart they will do the same.[/quote:2mztxct1]

Your arguments are always ignoring facts. NeNone as you call him currently has 40 receptions on the year. Cedric Wilson never had more than 37 in a year for the Steelers. And Randle El had 47 receptions his first year as a Steeler and every year after that with the Steelers his numbers declined. Naanee on the other has been improving over his career. It appears as if he is actually developing into a descent #2.

[papillon]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=Dee Dub]

Here's two more...

Career passing and rushing numbers

55.8% 105 TD’s 70 INT’s 80.0 QBR 5,174 yards rushing 32 TD’s

56.6% 207 TD’s 134 INT’s 81.5 QBR 4,928 yards rushing 35 TD’s

Michael Vick and Randall Cunningham

When you are less than 2-1 TD's to INT's, your completion percentage is less than 60%, and your QBR is in the low 80's, how well you run as a QB is irrelevant.

How many post season wins do those QB's have? How many championships do those QB's have?

How about 51.9%, 212 TDs, 210 INTs, 70.9 QBR, 2257 yards rushing and 32 Tds...just sayin :P

Pappy

GOAT?

One of them for sure, different time, different rules, different mentality and the defense was actually allowed to hit anything that moved, not just the guy with the ball.

Pappy

Yeah..let's compare Terry Bradshaw with Cam Newton. Hilarious! [/quote:eno6kh2v]

As Cris Carter would say, "C'mon man", I'm just having a little fun with you

Pappy

[snarky]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

Your arguments are always ignoring facts. NeNone as you call him currently has 40 receptions on the year. Cedric Wilson never had more than 37 in a year for the Steelers. And Randle El had 47 receptions his first year as a Steeler and every year after that with the Steelers his numbers declined. Naanee on the other has been improving over his career. It appears as if he is actually developing into a descent #2.

Most of that improvement seems to be since he started playing with Newton.

[snarky]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

I get what the thread is about, but don't you think you lose some credibility when you use one argument in thread A and the opposite argument in thread B?

No...you are the one trying to take what I said in a different thread topic and use it towards a thread topic about Cam Newton struggling in his last 4 out of 5 games. Two different topics altogether.

I have always been of the opinion that Cam isnt that good as a QB in relation to throwing the football. I said when teams make adjustments and have enough game film on him he will struggle. And this is is exactly what has happened.

And I think when he faces some adversary ( like after a couple of years of not winning), he is going to buckle even more.

OK so a simple Yes/No question then (just so I'm clear): Does the quality of WRs a QB is throwing to matter when evaluating a QB or comparing QBs?

No answer for this?

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

Your arguments are always ignoring facts. NeNone as you call him currently has 40 receptions on the year. Cedric Wilson never had more than 37 in a year for the Steelers. And Randle El had 47 receptions his first year as a Steeler and every year after that with the Steelers his numbers declined. Naanee on the other has been improving over his career. It appears as if he is actually developing into a descent #2.

Most of that improvement seems to be since Newton arrived.

Not exactly correct. He was buried in San Diego. When he first came up the pecking order for receptions was Antonio Gates, LaDanian Tomlinson, Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd. How much can you grow when you are like the 5th option? How about the fact that he is finally getting an opportunity?

[feltdizz]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

Your arguments are always ignoring facts. NeNone as you call him currently has 40 receptions on the year. Cedric Wilson never had more than 37 in a year for the Steelers. And Randle El had 47 receptions his first year as a Steeler and every year after that with the Steelers his numbers declined. Naanee on the other has been improving over his career. It appears as if he is actually developing into a descent #2.

The actual stats of Ced and El have little to do with the argument. It's the quality of their work and they weren't legit WR's...

Maybe NaNe will develop but right now Carolina has 1 legit WR. NeNone is what they call him in Charlotte.

[feltdizz]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=Dee Dub]

Your arguments are always ignoring facts. NeNone as you call him currently has 40 receptions on the year. Cedric Wilson never had more than 37 in a year for the Steelers. And Randle El had 47 receptions his first year as a Steeler and every year after that with the Steelers his numbers declined. Naanee on the other has been improving over his career. It appears as if he is actually developing into a descent #2.

Most of that improvement seems to be since Newton arrived.

Not exactly correct. He was buried in San Diego. When he first came up the pecking order for receptions was Antonio Gates, LaDanian Tomlinson, Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd. How much can you grow when you are like the 5th option? How about the fact that he is finally getting an opportunity?[/quote:1k3z6ty2]

good to see you can make excuses too.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

I get what the thread is about, but don't you think you lose some credibility when you use one argument in thread A and the opposite argument in thread B?

No...you are the one trying to take what I said in a different thread topic and use it towards a thread topic about Cam Newton struggling in his last 4 out of 5 games. Two different topics altogether.

I have always been of the opinion that Cam isnt that good as a QB in relation to throwing the football. I said when teams make adjustments and have enough game film on him he will struggle. And this is is exactly what has happened.

And I think when he faces some adversary ( like after a couple of years of not winning), he is going to buckle even more.

OK so a simple Yes/No question then (just so I'm clear): Does the quality of WRs a QB is throwing to matter when evaluating a QB or comparing QBs?

No answer for this?

In this case, for this thread, no. Cam Newton has plenty of quality players to throw too.

Dude if you just want to argue with me or attack my threads why not just keep it to sending me a personal message? We get it. You dont like me. Does the board and every thread topic I bring out have to be about you trying to prove I was wrong in a thread 20 threads ago?

[feltdizz]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

bad choice of words. I meant they said he wouldn't have success as a passing QB in the NFL.

And so far those knocks have been correct.

Like I just wrote.. if you really watched Cam this year, I've seen almost every game, you will see a team who stomps on teams early but has no clue how to counter a teams adjustments at halftime.

And this goes to my lack of quality decision making. When the game is on the line and teams gear down to stop him, he will struggle.

No NFL QB grows without hitting a few bumps in the road. Your prediction is way too early and smells of wishing and hoping. It takes YEARS to evaluate a QB and you use the last 5 games as an indication of a career?

Wow.

I have seen enough of him to know that he isnt going to be too much more than what he is now as a passer. And again, wait till he faces tough times.

You haven't seen enough of Cam... none of us have. It's too early to predict what his career will be.

What about Mendenhall. Remember those predictions? You bash him more than I do. LOL..

Truth is, every year is different and you have nothing more than your opinion to go on regarding Cam. Funny how every other expert, analyst etc says Cam is going to grow and become better but Dee Dub the "I saw him on before the game for a few seconds" knows it all.

You do this all the time and only revisit your predictions when they are right. When they are wrong you dance more then Mendenhall.

[feltdizz]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

In this case, for this thread, no. Cam Newton has plenty of quality players to throw too.

Dude if you just want to argue with me or attack my threads why not just keep it to sending me a personal message? We get it. You dont like me. Does the board and every thread topic I bring out have to be about you trying to prove I was wrong in a thread 20 threads ago?

stop crying.. once again you make a post with an idiotic prediction and then get mad when people disagree.

You can't predict the future so why are you getting mad when people tell you this?