Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

Talking about year 2.. Cam hasn't gotten worse the last 5 weeks. It's football and QB's have good and bad games, quarters, matchups etc.

4 TD's and 7 Picks the past 5 weeks. And look at his completion percentage.

Take away the game versus the horrible Colts and you are left with...57.5, 57.9, 57.1, and 48.7. That is getting worse.

why not keep the Colts game since he played in it...

Nothing wrong with a 58% completion rate on a team that was 2-14 and has one legit WR.

Again, not sure what you and other Cam detractors expected from him in year one but I think he surpassed expectations across the board. If he was throwing 15 times a game then I would be concerned with his production but he has to win shootouts because the D is sub par.

I seriously doubt they will ask Cam to throw the ball 50 times a game moving forward. Now it's all about putting him in a position to manage games once they have leads.

I guess you are the one not watching Cam's games?? How can you say he only has one legit WR? Do you just throw out his TEs and RB's? Take a look at Olsen, Shockey, and Stewart in regards to receptions.

[feltdizz]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=Dee Dub]

Talking about year 2.. Cam hasn't gotten worse the last 5 weeks. It's football and QB's have good and bad games, quarters, matchups etc.

4 TD's and 7 Picks the past 5 weeks. And look at his completion percentage.

Take away the game versus the horrible Colts and you are left with...57.5, 57.9, 57.1, and 48.7. That is getting worse.

So over his last five games he is getting worse provided you throw out his best game and keep his worst. OK, got it.

The Colts may go down as one of the worst teams of all time. But if you think that game is important in regards to evaluating Cam Newton then you and I will probably never be on the same page.

By the way, that game versus the Colts, wasnt all that for him. He threw for 208 yards and had no TD's passes.[/quote:2imyr7nr]

We used the Colts to evaluate our talent after we barely beat them so what's the difference. It's no more or less important then the next game. But if Cam lost that game you would use it over and over again to prove some point.

...and no, we will never be on the same page. Remember your love fest for Mendenhall? Well that sure changed didn't it.

Like the other guy just said.. we have no idea how things will turn out for Cam but right now? He is probably a lock for ROY and Charlotte is once again excited to watch football.

[feltdizz]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=Dee Dub]

Talking about year 2.. Cam hasn't gotten worse the last 5 weeks. It's football and QB's have good and bad games, quarters, matchups etc.

4 TD's and 7 Picks the past 5 weeks. And look at his completion percentage.

Take away the game versus the horrible Colts and you are left with...57.5, 57.9, 57.1, and 48.7. That is getting worse.

why not keep the Colts game since he played in it...

Nothing wrong with a 58% completion rate on a team that was 2-14 and has one legit WR.

Again, not sure what you and other Cam detractors expected from him in year one but I think he surpassed expectations across the board. If he was throwing 15 times a game then I would be concerned with his production but he has to win shootouts because the D is sub par.

I seriously doubt they will ask Cam to throw the ball 50 times a game moving forward. Now it's all about putting him in a position to manage games once they have leads.

I guess you are the one not watching Cam's games?? How can you say he only has one legit WR? Do you just throw out his TEs and RB's? Take a look at Olsen, Shockey, and Stewart in regards to receptions.[/quote:39x5dac7]

because he only has one legit WR fool!

Those other guys are TE's and RB's....

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=snarky]

By the way, Terry Bradshaw wasnt throwing to Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Franco Harris, or Rocky Bleier in 1970.

He was throwing to Ron Shanklin, Frency Fuqua, Dave L. Smith, and Dennis Hughes.

And Brady won three Super Bowls throwing to the likes of David Givens, David Patten and Deion Branch. I made this point the other day and you basically ignored it. For all of his good years, Bradshaw had two HpF receivers to throw to.

Uhhhhhh...this thread is about Cam Newton in his rookie year. Not Terry Bradshaw in his glory years.

Cam Newton as of right now...isnt a very good passing QB. His numbers reflect this.

Nuff said.

Just pointing out that you seem to be using different logic between the two. If the quality of receivers matter for one QB they should matter for all Qbs. Otherwise, you are just talking out both sides of your mouth.[/quote:6djn3lqb]

This thread title is "Cam Newton coming back to earth". Can anyone here prove me wrong? Is Cam Newton not playing as well as he did early on in the year?

Thank you.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

because he only has one legit WR fool!

Those other guys are TE's and RB's....

So only WR's dictate whether or not you have legitimate targets to throw too?

The name calling isnt necessary..and if I am not mistaken it is also a violation of the code of conduct here? Correct?

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=feltdizz]

By the way, Terry Bradshaw wasnt throwing to Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Franco Harris, or Rocky Bleier in 1970.

He was throwing to Ron Shanklin, Frency Fuqua, Dave L. Smith, and Dennis Hughes.

And Brady won three Super Bowls throwing to the likes of David Givens, David Patten and Deion Branch. I made this point the other day and you basically ignored it. For all of his good years, Bradshaw had two HpF receivers to throw to.

Uhhhhhh...this thread is about Cam Newton in his rookie year. Not Terry Bradshaw in his glory years.

Cam Newton as of right now...isnt a very good passing QB. His numbers reflect this.

Nuff said.

coming from a guy who bashed Pouncey for having a tummy ache I think your conclusion lacks credibility.[/quote:3hygy7is]

So what I said in one thread carries over to all thread topics? Kind of like all black people like chicken, huh?

Can we not have one descent discussion without posters resorting to stuff like this? Really?

[snarky]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=Dee Dub][quote=snarky]

By the way, Terry Bradshaw wasnt throwing to Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Franco Harris, or Rocky Bleier in 1970.

He was throwing to Ron Shanklin, Frency Fuqua, Dave L. Smith, and Dennis Hughes.

And Brady won three Super Bowls throwing to the likes of David Givens, David Patten and Deion Branch. I made this point the other day and you basically ignored it. For all of his good years, Bradshaw had two HpF receivers to throw to.

Uhhhhhh...this thread is about Cam Newton in his rookie year. Not Terry Bradshaw in his glory years.

Cam Newton as of right now...isnt a very good passing QB. His numbers reflect this.

Nuff said.

Just pointing out that you seem to be using different logic between the two. If the quality of receivers matter for one QB they should matter for all Qbs. Otherwise, you are just talking out both sides of your mouth.[/quote:34btxorc]

This thread title is "Cam Newton coming back to earth". Can anyone here prove me wrong? Is Cam Newton not playing as well as he did early on in the year?

Thank you.[/quote:34btxorc]

I get what the thread is about, but don't you think you lose some credibility when you use one argument in thread A and the opposite argument in thread B?

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=feltdizz]

Talking about year 2.. Cam hasn't gotten worse the last 5 weeks. It's football and QB's have good and bad games, quarters, matchups etc.

4 TD's and 7 Picks the past 5 weeks. And look at his completion percentage.

Take away the game versus the horrible Colts and you are left with...57.5, 57.9, 57.1, and 48.7. That is getting worse.

So over his last five games he is getting worse provided you throw out his best game and keep his worst. OK, got it.

The Colts may go down as one of the worst teams of all time. But if you think that game is important in regards to evaluating Cam Newton then you and I will probably never be on the same page.

By the way, that game versus the Colts, wasnt all that for him. He threw for 208 yards and had no TD's passes.

We used the Colts to evaluate our talent after we barely beat them so what's the difference. It's no more or less important then the next game. But if Cam lost that game you would use it over and over again to prove some point.

...and no, we will never be on the same page. Remember your love fest for Mendenhall? Well that sure changed didn't it.

Like the other guy just said.. we have no idea how things will turn out for Cam but right now? He is probably a lock for ROY and Charlotte is once again excited to watch football.[/quote:3goj41mr]

If you wanna focus on the one game in the last 5 for Cam (which was a descent game at best for him), and ignore the other 4 of those last 5 games of his, then you are of course not going to see the point that he is not playing as well as he was early on in the year.

And I personally think that what we have seen of Cam Newton is what we will pretty much always see of him. I do not think he will ever be above average as a passer in the NFL. He may put up a ton of yards, but as a passer, he will struggle with completion percentage and he will have more INT's than a good passer would have. Mistakes in the passing game will always limit who he is as a passer.

That's my opinion.

[feltdizz]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=Dee Dub][quote=snarky]

By the way, Terry Bradshaw wasnt throwing to Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Franco Harris, or Rocky Bleier in 1970.

He was throwing to Ron Shanklin, Frency Fuqua, Dave L. Smith, and Dennis Hughes.

And Brady won three Super Bowls throwing to the likes of David Givens, David Patten and Deion Branch. I made this point the other day and you basically ignored it. For all of his good years, Bradshaw had two HpF receivers to throw to.

Uhhhhhh...this thread is about Cam Newton in his rookie year. Not Terry Bradshaw in his glory years.

Cam Newton as of right now...isnt a very good passing QB. His numbers reflect this.

Nuff said.

Just pointing out that you seem to be using different logic between the two. If the quality of receivers matter for one QB they should matter for all Qbs. Otherwise, you are just talking out both sides of your mouth.[/quote:3nyw3m42]

This thread title is "Cam Newton coming back to earth". Can anyone here prove me wrong? Is Cam Newton not playing as well as he did early on in the year?

Thank you.[/quote:3nyw3m42]

Cam was never playing head and shoulders to begin with.... the 400 yard game put him on the map because he was said to be a running QB with no arm.

If you add in his rushing TD's I think it puts him in pretty good company as a starting QB.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

I get what the thread is about, but don't you think you lose some credibility when you use one argument in thread A and the opposite argument in thread B?

No...you are the one trying to take what I said in a different thread topic and use it towards a thread topic about Cam Newton struggling in his last 4 out of 5 games. Two different topics altogether.

I have always been of the opinion that Cam isnt that good as a QB in relation to throwing the football. I said when teams make adjustments and have enough game film on him he will struggle. And this is is exactly what has happened.

And I think when he faces some adversary ( like after a couple of years of not winning), he is going to buckle even more.

[feltdizz]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

because he only has one legit WR fool!

Those other guys are TE's and RB's....

So only WR's dictate whether or not you have legitimate targets to throw too?

The name calling isnt necessary..and if I am not mistaken it is also a violation of the code of conduct here? Correct?

I'm sorry but when I say a team has one legit WR and you throw out other positions as proof he has more than one good WIDE RECEIVER it sounds foolish.

[snarky]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

I get what the thread is about, but don't you think you lose some credibility when you use one argument in thread A and the opposite argument in thread B?

No...you are the one trying to take what I said in a different thread topic and use it towards a thread topic about Cam Newton struggling in his last 4 out of 5 games. Two different topics altogether.

I have always been of the opinion that Cam isnt that good as a QB in relation to throwing the football. I said when teams make adjustments and have enough game film on him he will struggle. And this is is exactly what has happened.

And I think when he faces some adversary ( like after a couple of years of not winning), he is going to buckle even more.

OK so a simple Yes/No question then (just so I'm clear): Does the quality of WRs a QB is throwing to matter when evaluating a QB or comparing QBs?

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

Cam was never playing head and shoulders to begin with.... the 400 yard game put him on the map because he was said to be a running QB with no arm.

If you add in his rushing TD's I think it puts him in pretty good company as a starting QB.

Felt, this isnt true. If you know anything about Cam Newton you know that he has always had a great arm (powerful strong arm). Who said he had no arm? Did you see him at Auburn? Did you read what was said at his private work out from Trent Dilfer? The scouting reports abut his arm before he ever came into the NFL?

The knock has always been will he be successful at reading NFL defenses. We he be accurate enough. Will his decision making in the pocket lead to success and also growth as a passer?

I say no. And his decline of late seems to indicate this.

[feltdizz]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

I get what the thread is about, but don't you think you lose some credibility when you use one argument in thread A and the opposite argument in thread B?

No...you are the one trying to take what I said in a different thread topic and use it towards a thread topic about Cam Newton struggling in his last 4 out of 5 games. Two different topics altogether.

I have always been of the opinion that Cam isnt that good as a QB in relation to throwing the football. I said when teams make adjustments and have enough game film on him he will struggle. And this is is exactly what has happened.

And I think when he faces some adversary ( like after a couple of years of not winning), he is going to buckle even more.

They have led in 12 of 13 games at half.. they have a new coaching staff and a rookie QB. How in the hell can you make this statement. What's it based on? Surely not facts and logic. I know you are hoping Cam doesn't succeed but the reality is a bad 2-14 team is much better now with Cam and next year with OTA's and a full summer working with players plus getting a favorable draft position it looks like this team will easily improve next year.

I could see if the Panthers looked like trash but they have lost about 6 games by less then a TD and led at halftime in 5 of them. If anything the coaching adjustments are the real problem.

[feltdizz]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

Cam was never playing head and shoulders to begin with.... the 400 yard game put him on the map because he was said to be a running QB with no arm.

If you add in his rushing TD's I think it puts him in pretty good company as a starting QB.

Felt, this isnt true. If you know anything about Cam Newton you know that he has always had a great arm (powerful strong arm). Who said he had no arm? Did you see him at Auburn? Did you read what was said at his private work out from Trent Dilfer? The scouting reports abut his arm before he ever came into the NFL?

The knock has always been will he be successful at reading NFL defenses. We he be accurate enough. Will his decision making in the pocket lead to success and also growth as a passer?

I say no. And his decline of late seems to indicate this.

bad choice of words. I meant they said he wouldn't have success as a passing QB in the NFL.

Like I just wrote.. if you really watched Cam this year, I've seen almost every game, you will see a team who stomps on teams early but has no clue how to counter a teams adjustments at halftime.

No NFL QB grows without hitting a few bumps in the road. Your prediction is way too early and smells of wishing and hoping. It takes YEARS to evaluate a QB and you use the last 5 games as an indication of a career?

Wow.