Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=feltdizz]

Your arguments are always ignoring facts. NeNone as you call him currently has 40 receptions on the year. Cedric Wilson never had more than 37 in a year for the Steelers. And Randle El had 47 receptions his first year as a Steeler and every year after that with the Steelers his numbers declined. Naanee on the other has been improving over his career. It appears as if he is actually developing into a descent #2.

Most of that improvement seems to be since Newton arrived.

Not exactly correct. He was buried in San Diego. When he first came up the pecking order for receptions was Antonio Gates, LaDanian Tomlinson, Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd. How much can you grow when you are like the 5th option? How about the fact that he is finally getting an opportunity?

good to see you can make excuses too. [/quote:2y15mr56]

Being young and behind two future hall of famers is what I would consider a legit excuse.

[snarky]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=Dee Dub]

Your arguments are always ignoring facts. NeNone as you call him currently has 40 receptions on the year. Cedric Wilson never had more than 37 in a year for the Steelers. And Randle El had 47 receptions his first year as a Steeler and every year after that with the Steelers his numbers declined. Naanee on the other has been improving over his career. It appears as if he is actually developing into a descent #2.

Most of that improvement seems to be since Newton arrived.

Not exactly correct. He was buried in San Diego. When he first came up the pecking order for receptions was Antonio Gates, LaDanian Tomlinson, Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd. How much can you grow when you are like the 5th option? How about the fact that he is finally getting an opportunity?[/quote:25to5gw4]

Right. My bad.

Still, look at the guys around him for receiving last year: Patrick Crayton started two games and outproduced him by 35%. Ajirotutu had zero starts and had more than 2/3rds his receiving yards. The guy had nine starts last year and his production is comparable to that of a seaon-long back-up.

[feltdizz]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=Dee Dub][quote=feltdizz]

Your arguments are always ignoring facts. NeNone as you call him currently has 40 receptions on the year. Cedric Wilson never had more than 37 in a year for the Steelers. And Randle El had 47 receptions his first year as a Steeler and every year after that with the Steelers his numbers declined. Naanee on the other has been improving over his career. It appears as if he is actually developing into a descent #2.

Most of that improvement seems to be since Newton arrived.

Not exactly correct. He was buried in San Diego. When he first came up the pecking order for receptions was Antonio Gates, LaDanian Tomlinson, Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd. How much can you grow when you are like the 5th option? How about the fact that he is finally getting an opportunity?

good to see you can make excuses too. [/quote:e6epyym2]

Being young and behind two future hall of famers is what I would consider a legit excuse.[/quote:e6epyym2]

being young is an excuse?

how about being young, having a rookie HC, new OC and DC on a 2-14 team? Nah... no excuses for that young man who is about to win ROY.

[snarky]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

In this case, for this thread, no. Cam Newton has plenty of quality players to throw too.

OK, but in this very thread you said we couldn't/shouldn't compare Cam's rookie numbers to Terry Bradshaw's rookie numbers because of who Bradshaw was throwing to. Wow dude, you change your story so much you can't even keep it straight. In this thread you were making the case that WRs matter. In the other case you seemed to be making the opposite case.

Not going to address the rest of what you said because it is just plain nonsense.

[feltdizz]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

In this case, for this thread, no. Cam Newton has plenty of quality players to throw too.

OK, but in this very thread you said we couldn't/shouldn't compare Cam's rookie numbers to Terry Bradshaw's rookie numbers because of who Bradshaw was throwing to. Wow dude, you change your story so much you can't even keep it straight. In this thread you were making the case that WRs matter. In the other case you seemed to be making the opposite case.

Not going to address the rest of what you said because it is just plain nonsense.

Dub is just typing to pass the time LOL

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

In this case, for this thread, no. Cam Newton has plenty of quality players to throw too.

OK, but in this very thread you said we couldn't/shouldn't compare Cam's rookie numbers to Terry Bradshaw's rookie numbers because of who Bradshaw was throwing to. Wow dude, you change your story so much you can't even keep it straight. In this thread you were making the case that WRs matter. In the other case you seemed to be making the opposite case.

Not going to address the rest of what you said because it is just plain nonsense.

I didnt bring up Bradshaw in this thread. Ruthless did. I just pointed who Bradshaw was throwing to in 1970.

What I think is...any comparison of Can Newton Terry Bradshaw is ridiculous. Whatever the comparison is too. We are talking about a 4 time super bowl champion to one I dont think will ever win any championships.

[grotonsteel]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

7 pages of discussion on Cam Newton???

Forget stats..Is Cam Newton better than Michael Vick??

I would say he is 100X better than Tim Tebow though.

I think its too early to pass judgement on Cam Newton but going by his father's antics of pimping his son in college i expect SCam Newton to self destruct.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

7 pages of discussion on Cam Newton???

Forget stats..Is Cam Newton better than Michael Vick??

I would say he is 100X better than Tim Tebow though.

I think its too early to pass judgement on Cam Newton but going by his father's antics of pimping his son in college i expect SCam Newton to self destruct.

grotonsteel, you gotta know most every thread I put out here whether it is right on or not, it's going to generate discussion.

And I agree with you about Cam Newton. In time he will continue to slide.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

you gotta know most every thread I put out here whether it is right on or not, it's going to generate discussion.

Congratulations. You're becoming the Mark Madden of message board posters. Just post some ridiculous nonsense like Pouncey's a wuss or Cam Newton sucks, and people will respond to the sheer absurdity of it all. You may get the attention you crave, but in the process might start to lose the respect of the knowledgable folks that know that you are better than the schtick that you are currently flinging (throwing out a random opinion then refusing to even consider any other even slightly different opinion, regardless of how much your point has been refuted).

[Steelerphile]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

At this point I'm thinking of Dee Dub as a windy crackpot. I'm losing respect for him. He considers himself a fount of football wisdom. Has a much greater opinion of himself than he should.

[snarky]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=Dee Dub]

In this case, for this thread, no. Cam Newton has plenty of quality players to throw too.

OK, but in this very thread you said we couldn't/shouldn't compare Cam's rookie numbers to Terry Bradshaw's rookie numbers because of who Bradshaw was throwing to. Wow dude, you change your story so much you can't even keep it straight. In this thread you were making the case that WRs matter. In the other case you seemed to be making the opposite case.

Not going to address the rest of what you said because it is just plain nonsense.

I didnt bring up Bradshaw in this thread. Ruthless did. I just pointed who Bradshaw was throwing to in 1970.

What I think is...any comparison of Can Newton Terry Bradshaw is ridiculous. Whatever the comparison is too. We are talking about a 4 time super bowl champion to one I dont think will ever win any championships.[/quote:3sa180ab]

IIRC, Ruthless compared Bradshaw's rookie year to Newton's rookie season which seems legitimate enough. Anyway, it matters little who brought it up. Once it was brought up you chimed in with a list of his receivers which (seemingly) was an attempt to justify his low production that year.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

you gotta know most every thread I put out here whether it is right on or not, it's going to generate discussion.

Congratulations. You're becoming the Mark Madden of message board posters. Just post some ridiculous nonsense like Pouncey's a wuss or Cam Newton sucks, and people will respond to the sheer absurdity of it all. You may get the attention you crave, but in the process might start to lose the respect of the knowledgable folks that know that you are better than the schtick that you are currently flinging (throwing out a random opinion then refusing to even consider any other even slightly different opinion, regardless of how much your point has been refuted).

Really?? First of all these threads are my honest opinions. I would hardly say I am seeking attention for then. We all arent alike. And Ruthless does it really matter what people on a message board think of me? Or whether or not they respect me? Seriously? I dont come here for that. I come here to talk football and give/vent my opinion about it. Am I suppose to be trying to get inside of some cool car of guys on this board so i can be liked? I respect others on this forum because of who I am inside. The fact that I have given my life over to God. But I dont expect others to respect me just because of what I think about football.

Where did I ever say Cam Newton sucks? I just dont think he will ever make it in the league as a passer. Period.

But I get it. It's cool.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

At this point I'm thinking of Dee Dub as a windy crackpot. I'm losing respect for him. He considers himself a fount of football wisdom. Has a much greater opinion of himself than he should.

Thanks.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

you gotta know most every thread I put out here whether it is right on or not, it's going to generate discussion.

Congratulations. You're becoming the Mark Madden of message board posters. Just post some ridiculous nonsense like Pouncey's a wuss or Cam Newton sucks, and people will respond to the sheer absurdity of it all. You may get the attention you crave, but in the process might start to lose the respect of the knowledgable folks that know that you are better than the schtick that you are currently flinging (throwing out a random opinion then refusing to even consider any other even slightly different opinion, regardless of how much your point has been refuted).

This is my initial post here.

Cam Newton coming back to earth!

Cam Newton

13 games 59.7% comp 3573 yards 15 TD's 16 INT's 81.1 QB rating Team record 4-9

Yeah we all know he can run but can he throw? Seems to be struggling with that overall.

Not sure why this is deemed as self serving or some kind of crackpot thread(?) Is it because I defended my argument?

Never called anyone names or personally attacked anyone. Hmmmm???

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=Dee Dub]

you gotta know most every thread I put out here whether it is right on or not, it's going to generate discussion.

Congratulations. You're becoming the Mark Madden of message board posters. Just post some ridiculous nonsense like Pouncey's a wuss or Cam Newton sucks, and people will respond to the sheer absurdity of it all. You may get the attention you crave, but in the process might start to lose the respect of the knowledgable folks that know that you are better than the schtick that you are currently flinging (throwing out a random opinion then refusing to even consider any other even slightly different opinion, regardless of how much your point has been refuted).

Really?? First of all these threads are my honest opinions. I would hardly say I am seeking attention for then. We all arent alike. And Ruthless does it really matter what people on a message board think of me? Or whether or not they respect me? Seriously? I dont come here for that. I come here to talk football and give/vent my opinion about it. Am I suppose to be trying to get inside of some cool car of guys on this board so i can be liked? I respect others on this forum because of who I am inside. The fact that I have given my life over to God. But I dont expect others to respect me just because of what I think about football.

Where did I ever say Cam Newton sucks? I just dont think he will ever make it in the league as a passer. Period.

But I get it. It's cool.[/quote:jn0izwy3]

I have read enough of your posts over the years to know you are knowledgeable about football. I respect that. You add to this board no doubt. But lately you have been spewing contrarian type opinions (which you are certainly entitled to do, but there seems to be a "shock jock" aspect to them now...maybe not to a Howard Stern degree or anything like that, but perhaps in line with the types of things that Mark Madden or Colin Cowherd might say, just because they know they'll be a line of people waiting to disagree with them). My intent is not to insult you or anything by saying this, just pointing out what I have noticed of late...no offense intended whatsoever. Carry on.