Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[snarky]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=Captain Lemming][quote="Dee Dub":2ykgwauw]Felt, Ruthless....this is what I know. 59.8% completion percentage, 16 INT's and a 4-9 record.

Sorry fellows nothing you can say is going to change that nor my opinion of Cam Newton. And those numbers help my opinion more than your opinion about Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam!![/quote]

Dee how many true number one pick QBs (these end up on the leagues worst team) have better numbers than those you just posted?[/quote:2ykgwauw]

Here are the numbers for every true rookie ever drafted in the first round (with at least 1000 yards in passing).

[url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=192 0&year_max=2011&season_start=1&season_end=1&age_mi n=20&age_max=25&draft_round_min=1&draft_round_max= 1&league_id=&team_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb =Y&c1stat=pass_yds&c1comp=gt&c1val=1000&c2stat=&c2 comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4 comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pass_cmp_perc"]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... s_cmp_perc[/url]

59 % would put him in 7th all-time. But he can run the ball, too. So he will have the exact same career that Kordell Stewart had.

BTW, here it is if you take off the first round restriction:

[url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=192 0&year_max=2011&season_start=1&season_end=1&age_mi n=20&age_max=25&draft_round_min=1&draft_round_max= 1&league_id=&team_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb =Y&c1stat=pass_yds&c1comp=gt&c1val=1000&c2stat=&c2 comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4 comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pass_cmp_perc"]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... s_cmp_perc[/url]

[snarky]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

You do realize that "run-first, pass-second" Cam Newton has more passing yards through 13 games than God's gift to quarterbacking, Ben Roethlisberger (3573 vs. 3526). Cam has also accounted for more TD's than Ben (28 vs. 21). Sure, 13 of Cam's TD's came on the ground rather than through the air, but isn't it the job of the QB, the leader of the offense on the field, to score touchdowns, regardless of how the ball gets in the end zone? The Steelers high powered offense with a two-time Super Bowl champion at the helm (plus big time weapons like Wallace and Brown and Sanders and Ward and Cotchery and Miller and Saunders and Johnson and Mendenhall and Redman and Moore) has scored 282 points this season, while the Panthers sucktastic offense led by rookie who is a better runner than a thrower (with Steve Smith, Legadu Naanee, Brandon LaFell, Seyi Ajirotutu, Armanti Edwards, Greg Olsen, Jeremy Shockey, Richie Brockel, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, and Mike Goodson) has scored 313 points this season. I'm not saying that Cam is better than Ben...far from it. But for someone who probably already knows Ben's sportjacket measurements for his Hall of Fame blazer, and has already thrown Newton onto the Island of Misfit Athletic Quarterbacks, you gotta admit that those stats are pretty remarkable, no?

The entire Carolina line should be inducted in the HoF immediately if 'bail at the first sign of trouble' Cam Newton throws for 4300 yards.

[feltdizz]

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Kordell didn't get better... this is all the proof one needs to know Cam will fail.

[flippy]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

12 of Cam's 16 Ints came in 4 games against ATL, Detroit, and GB. Mistakes are gonna happen for any rookie QB.

I don't see how you can knock this kid. All he's been is fantastic and way better than expected as a rookie. Carolina can't play defense or they'd be more competitive.

And not only can he run, his YPA is a respectable 7.9 so he's effectively moving the ball down the field.

Give the man some time. By all accounts, he's a great kid. Performing way better than most expected. And in time, Carolina will be a major force in the NFC if they improve their D.

[steelblood]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

What I don't understand is why some people don't give Cam a chance to develop into a better (championship quality) pocket passer? He has everything he needs. He has a gun. He has the intelligence. He is already having some success in a simplified offense at the pro level. Why can't he become better at going through his progressions and improve his timing/anticipation? Why are you trying to write him off now? What is the point?

[Dee Dub]

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I am not knocking Cam Newton the player. He is a phenomenal athlete. I am knocking him as a passer.

He's not very good at it and I think instead of getting better in time he might possibly get worse.

[feltdizz]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

What I don't understand is why some people don't give Cam a chance to develop into a better (championship quality) pocket passer? He has everything he needs. He has a gun. He has the intelligence. He is already having some success in a simplified offense at the pro level. Why can't he become better at going through his progressions and improve his timing/anticipation? Why are you trying to write him off now? What is the point?

Kordell Stewart...

I thought you knew.

Actually, Dub likes to state his predictions as fact and then every so often he gets to pat himself on the back and tell everyone he was right.

When he is wrong though... well, he doesn't like to admit that or pat himself on the back for those predictions.

Cam Newton is a lightning rod just like Tim Tebow... you either like 'em or you don't. I'm not a big Tebow fan but I can admit he is a good football player. Still not convinced he is a good passer but there are actual stats or lack there of to back it up.

If Cam was 3 of 10 through 3 quarters but his team was 9-4 people would still bash his arm and rightfully so. Now sure how being 4-9 on a team that was 2-14 the year before with a first time HC, new OC and more INT's then TD's means Cam won't improve but hey...

KORDELL STEWART!!!

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

What I don't understand is why some people don't give Cam a chance to develop into a better (championship quality) pocket passer? He has everything he needs. He has a gun. He has the intelligence. He is already having some success in a simplified offense at the pro level. Why can't he become better at going through his progressions and improve his timing/anticipation? Why are you trying to write him off now? What is the point?

Kordell Stewart...

I thought you knew.

Actually, Dub likes to state his predictions as fact and then every so often he gets to pat himself on the back and tell everyone he was right.

When he is wrong though... well, he doesn't like to admit that or pat himself on the back for those predictions.

Cam Newton is a lightning rod just like Tim Tebow... you either like 'em or you don't. I'm not a big Tebow fan but I can admit he is a good football player. Still not convinced he is a good passer but there are actual stats or lack there of to back it up.

If Cam was 3 of 10 through 3 quarters but his team was 9-4 people would still bash his arm and rightfully so. Now sure how being 4-9 on a team that was 2-14 the year before with a first time HC, new OC and more INT's then TD's means Cam won't improve but hey...

KORDELL STEWART!!!

Ridiculous! What I think Cam will be in the future is simply my opinion...not fact. That would be impossible. The facts are the numbers Cam has put up...59.8% completion percentage, 16 INT's (13 games), and a QBR of 81.1. That is the only facts I have said in this thread. And those facts are true.

And I have admitted many times on this forum and the Trib that I was wrong. Especially since I gave my life over to Christ. It's not that hard when you are free.

But felt, if you makes you feel like a man to twist what others say or paint some one in a light that makes them look bad...have at it.

God is good...all the time.

[Dee Dub]

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Actually, Dub likes to state his predictions as fact and then every so often he gets to pat himself on the back and tell everyone he was right.

When he is wrong though... well, he doesn't like to admit that or pat himself on the back for those predictions.

And by the way...it's comments like you just made (character assassinations), that make a person want to pound their chest when they are right.

[feltdizz]

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Actually, Dub likes to state his predictions as fact and then every so often he gets to pat himself on the back and tell everyone he was right.

When he is wrong though... well, he doesn't like to admit that or pat himself on the back for those predictions.

And by the way...it's comments like you just made (character assassinations), that make a person want to pound their chest when they are right.

There you go with the God talk again. Anytime someone jokes you are comes at you in a thread you start this God talk.

I'm not assassinating you, I'm joking you.

You really need to lighten up, you had to know pointing out Kordell Stewart as the reason Cam will fail is easy money on here.

Don't take yourself too seriously because we don't.

and God is good... all the time, Jesus turned water.. into wine.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

Actually, Dub likes to state his predictions as fact and then every so often he gets to pat himself on the back and tell everyone he was right.

When he is wrong though... well, he doesn't like to admit that or pat himself on the back for those predictions.

And by the way...it's comments like you just made (character assassinations), that make a person want to pound their chest when they are right.

There you go with the God talk again. Anytime someone jokes you are comes at you in a thread you start this God talk.

I'm not assassinating you, I'm joking you.

You really need to lighten up, you had to know pointing out Kordell Stewart as the reason Cam will fail is easy money on here.

Don't take yourself too seriously because we don't.

and God is good... all the time, Jesus turned water.. into wine.

Funny, I didnt see any smiley faces or laughing emoticons or any J/K's.

It's ok felt. You like to say things then turn around and act as if you didnt say it. But cool. No problem. I am not ashamed of God and will tell it like I feel it. Sorry if God makes you feel uncomfortable.

And Never did I say Kordell Stewart was the reason why Cam Newton will fail. I simply compared their rookie years because they (rookie years), are similar. Cam Newton will fail in my opinion because he is not good at throwing passes.

But that there is another one of your twisting what I actually said.

[feltdizz]

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No need to twist anything. We have 10 pages of you twisting things around and when you get exposed you bring up God.

God doesn't make me uncomfortable but it looks like any time you are uncomfortable you bring him into the discussion. Stick to football.

There are general discussions boards for God.

No one knows if Cam will fail but it looks like you are the only one who came to this conclusion based on Kordell and Cams stats this year.

[Dee Dub]

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No need to twist anything. We have 10 pages of you twisting things around and when you get exposed you bring up God.

God doesn't make me uncomfortable but it looks like any time you are uncomfortable you bring him into the discussion. Stick to football.

There are general discussions boards for God.

No one knows if Cam will fail but it looks like you are the only one who came to this conclusion based on Kordell and Cams stats this year.

Wow....that's what you take from what I had to say about God? Ok cool.

Again..it is Cam's numbers (no Kordell's), that lead me to believe he wont be a good passer in the NFL.

59.8%, 16 INT's (in 13 games), and a 81.1 QBR are below average numbers for passing in the NFL.

And again..one more time...this isnt me knowing the future. It is simply my opinion.

[papillon]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

My question about this whole thread is the following: Why does anyone care if Cam Newton comes back to earth or takes off like a spaceship? I will say this the media over hypes all these top quarterbacks and it does put a sour taste in your mouth about the player, because he hasn't taken a bloody snap in the NFL and you'd think they're all HOFers based on the media. So, while Newton, may be great or not, I was tired of hearing about him, just like Andrew Luck this year.

Pappy

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

My question about this whole thread is the following: Why does anyone care if Cam Newton comes back to earth or takes off like a spaceship? I will say this the media over hypes all these top quarterbacks and it does put a sour taste in your mouth about the player, because he hasn't taken a bloody snap in the NFL and you'd think they're all HOFers based on the media. So, while Newton, may be great or not, I was tired of hearing about him, just like Andrew Luck this year.

Pappy

Well for me, believe it or not, I really dont care whether he comes back to earth or takes off. Since you were here on this site early in the season then you should know how Ben Roethlisberger was attacked and heavily criticized for his early struggles. Some went as far as saying they would rather have Cam Newton instead. And I am sure you can remember how many where praising Newton early on as if he were the next great one. Well the tides have changed. Ben is playing some of the best ball of his life, and Cam Newton has well....come back to earth a little.

I got a little tired of hearing it to Pap.

I thought this would be a good thread to remember and remind.

Ben > Cam.....and will always be.