Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[snarky]

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The only thing Cam has in common with Vick and Cunningham is skin color... he isn't as fast as Vick, he isn't as lanky as Cunningham and he throws better then both.

Are you telling me that Reggie Roby was a "running" punter and Mike Tomlin is a "running" head coach?

[feltdizz]

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Again..I'm not looking at numbers when I look at Manning and Cam. I'm looking at reality. Manning is and will always be a better passer than Cam.

What is reality?

[feltdizz]

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QB's who arent running QB's focus primarily on what? Throwing the football. That is why the good to great ones improve over time.

So Cam is breaking the rookie passing record without focusing on throwing the football? Wow.. imagine how good, oops, bad he will be if he focuses on throwing?

The only thing that will hinder Cam is losing his OC. I'm pretty sure that guy is going to get some big time offers this off season because he has done an amazing job with Cam.

[Dee Dub]

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Why is Cam only compared with Cunningham and Vick? Those guys are thin and quick at 215 lbs., while Cam is built like a redwood tree at 240+ (his body type is more similar to Ben Roethlisberger and Josh Freeman than Cunningham or Vick).

Because he is a similar type of QB as them....but not because they have the same body types

And you can compare him to anybody you want. That was just my comparison. And I think when it is over for Cam it will be a fair comparison.

[Dee Dub]

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QB's who arent running QB's focus primarily on what? Throwing the football. That is why the good to great ones improve over time.

So Cam is breaking the rookie passing record without focusing on throwing the football? Wow.. imagine how good, oops, bad he will be if he focuses on throwing?

The only thing that will hinder Cam is losing his OC. I'm pretty sure that guy is going to get some big time offers this off season because he has done an amazing job with Cam.

Uhhhhhh....my thread or knock on Newton had nothing to do with how many yards he can throw for. It's about is lack of accuracy.

[snarky]

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[quote=Dee Dub]

QB's who arent running QB's focus primarily on what? Throwing the football. That is why the good to great ones improve over time.

So Cam is breaking the rookie passing record without focusing on throwing the football? Wow.. imagine how good, oops, bad he will be if he focuses on throwing?

The only thing that will hinder Cam is losing his OC. I'm pretty sure that guy is going to get some big time offers this off season because he has done an amazing job with Cam.

Uhhhhhh....my thread or knock on Newton had nothing to do with how many yards he can throw for. It's about is lack of accuracy.[/quotecgrwcc]

Lack of accuracy compared to who and at what point in their career?

[Dee Dub]

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The only thing Cam has in common with Vick and Cunningham is skin color... he isn't as fast as Vick, he isn't as lanky as Cunningham and he throws better then both.

I am not so sure that is true. Right now I think Vick is the better passer. And if he isnt they are very close. But if you wanna base that on passing yards that doesnt really reflect who's a better passer. Vick's career numbers are very similar to Cam.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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Why is Cam only compared with Cunningham and Vick? Those guys are thin and quick at 215 lbs., while Cam is built like a redwood tree at 240+ (his body type is more similar to Ben Roethlisberger and Josh Freeman than Cunningham or Vick).

Because he is a similar type of QB as them....but not because they have the same body types

And you can compare him to anybody you want. That was just my comparison. And I think when it is over for Cam it will be a fair comparison.

We compared him to Terry Bradshaw and Steve Young and Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger and so on and so on and so on, but you didn't feel any of those comparisons were valid. Only Cunningham and Vick.

[Dee Dub]

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Why is Cam only compared with Cunningham and Vick? Those guys are thin and quick at 215 lbs., while Cam is built like a redwood tree at 240+ (his body type is more similar to Ben Roethlisberger and Josh Freeman than Cunningham or Vick).

Because he is a similar type of QB as them....but not because they have the same body types

And you can compare him to anybody you want. That was just my comparison. And I think when it is over for Cam it will be a fair comparison.

We compared him to Terry Bradshaw and Steve Young and Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger and so on and so on and so on, but you didn't feel any of those comparisons were valid. Only Cunningham and Vick.

No by all means....knock yourself out. If that is who you think he compares best too, then have at it. I personally think those arent fair comparisons. Manning, Bradshaw, and Steve Young I am sure didnt spend half their game planning each week working on designed run plays. That in itself I believe will continue to make Cam struggle with accuracy.

[williar]

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My question about this whole thread is the following: Why does anyone care if Cam Newton comes back to earth or takes off like a spaceship? I will say this the media over hypes all these top quarterbacks and it does put a sour taste in your mouth about the player, because he hasn't taken a bloody snap in the NFL and you'd think they're all HOFers based on the media. So, while Newton, may be great or not, I was tired of hearing about him, just like Andrew Luck this year.

Pappy

Well for me, believe it or not, I really dont care whether he comes back to earth or takes off. Since you were here on this site early in the season then you should know how Ben Roethlisberger was attacked and heavily criticized for his early struggles. Some went as far as saying they would rather have Cam Newton instead. And I am sure you can remember how many where praising Newton early on as if he were the next great one. Well the tides have changed. Ben is playing some of the best ball of his life, and Cam Newton has well....come back to earth a little.

I got a little tired of hearing it to Pap.

I thought this would be a good thread to remember and remind.

Ben > Cam.....and will always be.

If I recall correctly it was one poster trying to stir the pot and saying he'd rather take Cam over Ben. Don't take it personally, he (or she) was trying to get under your skin. He (she) knew darn well Ben is the better quarterback and will be for the foreseeable future, but enjoyed stirring the pot.
Pappy

Errrrr, Uhhhhh, Pap! That came from the heart, sir.

[Captain Lemming]

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Uhhhhhh....my thread or knock on Newton had nothing to do with how many yards he can throw for. It's about is lack of accuracy.

The evidence of your "brilliant" contention keeps rolling in.

This Game 70.6 percent/ 10.06 yards per attempt/ 3 TDs/ 0 Ints/ QB Rating 142.4

Oh wait, he also RAN for a 48 yard TD....he accounted for FOUR total TDs. OBVIOUSLY THAT makes him an inaccurate passer.

Six rushes equals RUN FIRST.

Aparently, every run negates a completion.

Take Cams 12 for 17, subtract his 6 rushes, and his ADJUSTED accuracy is only 6 of 17, EXTREMELY INACCURATE using the DDSQBR (Dee Dub's Superior Quarterback Rating).

Dee, starting to understand.

How in the world the Panthers can score 48 with such an inaccurate QB is just beyond comprehension.

[snarky]

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Captain Lemming. this game doesn't count. Only his bad games count when comparing him to other quarterbacks. You have to throw out his good games.

[hawaiiansteel]

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Cam Newton breaks Peyton Manning's rookie passing record in rout

Associated Press


CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Cam Newton keeps breaking records and turning heads with his incredible athletic ability.

The No. 1 pick in the NFL draft broke Peyton Manning's rookie record for yards passing and set a franchise mark with a 91-yard touchdown toss to Brandon LaFell as the Carolina Panthers handed the Tampa Bay Buccaneers their ninth straight defeat, 48-16 on Saturday.

Newton threw for 171 yards and three touchdowns and scored on a remarkable 49-yard run up the middle in which he outraced smaller defensive backs to the end zone.

The Panthers (6-9) scored on eight of their first nine possessions and piled up 397 yards in three quarters against the league's 30th-ranked defense. Carolina coach Ron Rivera pulled Newton and the other key starters early in the fourth.

DeAngelo Williams scored on runs of 8 and 22 yards, his sixth and seventh TDs of the season, and Jonathan Stewart ran for 88 yards and caught an 11-yard touchdown pass from Newton.

Newton entered the game needing 18 yards passing to break Manning's record of 3,739 and did so with a 7-yard pass to LaFell on the first possession.

"It's tremendous, but if you ask the young man he'll tell you the most important thing is we won the game," Rivera said. "There's a lot of good things ahead for us."

Newton, however, was just getting started at that point.

On Carolina's third possession, he backpedaled into his own end zone and unleashed a strike to LaFell, who got a key downfield block from Steve Smith to spring him for a 91-yard score. That topped the franchise record of 89 yards set in the Panthers' expansion season of 1995 by Kerry Collins and Willie Green.

LaFell finished with a career-high 103 yards receiving.

Carolina's offensive line completely mauled a Bucs defense that was without starting defensive tackles Albert Haynesworth and Brian Price. The Panthers piled up a season-high 270 yards rushing and scored three times on the ground, giving them 25 for the season -- most in the league.

Newton scored eight touchdowns in two games against Tampa Bay -- four rushing and four passing -- as the Panthers racked up 79 points.

Just as they did on Dec. 4, the Panthers jumped all over the Bucs early.

Newton led the Panthers on a picture-perfect, 80-yard, nine-play touchdown drive to open the game, with Williams scoring on an 8-yard touchdown run.

LaGarrette Blount fumbled on the Bucs' first play from scrimmage and the Panthers converted that turnover into a field goal. Blount was benched for the rest of the first half and finished with just 11 yards rushing.

The Panthers led 20-10 at halftime but put the hammer down in the third quarter as Williams ran for a 22-yard touchdown and Newton threw an 11-yard scoring pass to Stewart on fourth-and-1 to put Carolina up 34-10.

Then came the play of the game as Newton faked a handoff to Stewart and took off through a huge hole on the right side of the line. Newton juked a defender before shifting into another gear and blowing through the Tampa Bay secondary for the longest touchdown run ever by a Panthers quarterback.

He added a touchdown toss to Jeremy Shockey to close out the scoring.

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[RuthlessBurgher]

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From Peter King's MMQB column:

Cam Newton is on his way to the best rookie season ever. By any player.

Many of us were skeptical of Cam Newton's ability to transition to the pro game so quickly, and without a full offseason program. But he's done a fabulous job in all ways of adjusting to the NFL. His confidence is off the charts for a young player. His hatred of losing, as I've written about before, is surprising for such a young player; after a loss, he's nearly inconsolable, even by respected opponents. He's more accurate in a complicated offense than anyone had a right to expect. And though he clearly wants to establish himself as a strong pocket passer with awareness to see the whole field, he knows when to take off too. And the results have been strong since the Panthers, on Thanksgiving Day, stood 2-8. Carolina is 4-1 since then (thanks, Bucs), and here are Newton's numbers: eight touchdown passes, two picks, five rushing touchdowns, 60 percent passing.

He already owns the rookie record for passing yards (3,893), and, obviously, will be the first rookie to pass for 4,000 with 107 yards against the Saints next week. Newton passed Peyton Manning's record with his 478th throw Saturday; Manning threw 575 passes as a rookie in 1998. Newton's rushed for more touchdowns, 14, than any quarterback in any season ever. The NFL mark for rushing touchdowns by a quarterback is 43, by Steve Young ... and Newton's a third of the way there already.

Listen to these strong words from owner Jerry Richardson to me the other day: "As far as I'm concerned, he'll be the last quarterback we ever draft high in my lifetime. He is a very unusual young man, and I say that in a highly complimentary way. He does not complain. Ever. He's never in the trainers room. You watch him get hit out there and you think, 'He got to be hurting,' and then you see he's never with the trainers. The way he has adapted to our team and to the NFL has been tremendous. We couldn't be happier.''

GM Marty Hurney said before the draft that in order to compete in a quarterback-strong division, the Panthers had to take a quarterback and develop him quickly. He could never have imagined this. Who could? The most amazing thing is Newton having seven weeks of pro coaching before the real games began, and having a season like this one. Imagine when he has an offseason to work on the things he needs to improve. Which, from watching him, is not much.

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[Captain Lemming]

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[quote=Dee Dub]

Peyton Manning in his worst throwing year is head and shoulders above Cam as a passer. That is why I dont think it is relevant to compare some one like him and his rookie year to that of Cam. Numbers are numbers. You cant tell me they are comparable just because of what their rookie numbers were.

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That is not the only reason why have judged him negatively. He has thrown 16 picks in 14 games.

Peyton Manning threw 28 INTs in 16 games in his worst throwing year. (He also only completed 56.7% of his passes.

Again..I'm not looking at numbers when I look at Manning and Cam. I'm looking at reality. Manning is and will always be a better passer than Cam.[/quote:2rxqjn60]
Peyton also was less accurate. than Cam as a college QB by any statistical metric. Peyton never threw for 66 percent in college like Can did. And Peyton was a three year starter versus Cams one. Can had one of the best statistical college seasons as a passer ever.

If you don't go by numbers why did you bring them up?

Oh 59 percent makes Can inaccurate, but Peytons 56 and worse int numbers can't be usedto compare?
At this stage of their respective careers Can is every bit the passer that Peyton was.