Ben's Fault

[williar]

Re: Ben's Fault

They use to say all of the same things about David Carr as well. No protection, OL was getting him killed, yada yada yada. Then came to the realization that it was David Carr.

You are comparing Ben to David Carr. Wow why so much hate??? Last i saw Ben is still a Steelers.

Just sayin'! Don't get things twisted....It's seems to be okay for everyone to criticize everyone and everything but Ben. I mean so many fans bashing the defense holding the texans to 17 points. Holding a team with a high powered offense to 17 points in this arena league style nfl. What more do you expect? For the defense to score 14 points too.

Ben has been in the same offense since coming into the league. He should be hands down the undisputed leader of this offense. He ain't doing something right and people don't want to admit it. Do you think the jets have a better OL than the steelers? I mean Mark Sanchez can find a way to scrap up some points and stay competitive... Albeit taking a beating....I find it hard to believe that all of these other teams out here have competent offensive lines and somehow ours just stinks to hell and don't belong in the nfl. I mean were all drafting from the same talent pool. I'm supposed to believe OL is so genetically inferior than every other team.

I truly believe the problems with this offense are a product of Ben being stubborn and refusing to better himself and Arians and Tomlin being the enablers.

I aint twisting anything.You said it and i quoted you.

Second thing you are now saying Sanchez is doing better than Ben against Ratbird. WTF. 1 TD by ST and 1 TD by Defense and you are saying Sanchez is doing better than Ben against Ratbirds??? I am not talking about 2 sack fumbles return for TD and 1 INT returned for TD. Did Ben played that horrible against Ratbirds??? It just shows you hate for Ben.

Jets had best Offensive line last season. they have an injured probowl Center in mangold this game but Jets has best LT and OC in NFL. And guess where they were drafted?? Jets O-line was one of the best in NFL last season. And guess what where they drafted there O-linemen??

If you don't believe Steelers O-line is a problem i guess you need to remove Ben-Hate goggles and watch the game. A team with 2 starting OT injured and LG/OC playing injured and you think O-line is not a problem??????

I didn't retract anything. But Does that make me a hater because I stated a fact that the same things were said about David Carr. For years Carr was defended because it was said his line was so bad. He couldn't do this or that because his line was getting him killed. After Carr left houston and that alleged awful line behind, I don't think much was heard from Carr. After that there was much clarification about was really all on the OL or if David Carr just couldn't get out of his own way....I see some similarities, but take as you will.

Again, we can agree to disagree about the jets OL. I don't think their one of the best OL this year. But then, you really wouldn't know because Mark Sanchez will get the ball out of his hands as opposed to being a sack dummy...

[feltdizz]

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I remember in 2008 when we didn't score an offensive TD for 10 quarters and Ben was struggling in the Washington game. Lefty comes in and marches us down the field on 5 or 6 plays.

What we found out that day was Ben wasn't practicing, wasn't in rhythm and wasn't seeing what the D was giving him. I think it might be the same thing right now.

The OL isn't good but this is nothing new.... gotta get the rock out and Ben did try a few Hots and the WR's failed him.

[grotonsteel]

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They use to say all of the same things about David Carr as well. No protection, OL was getting him killed, yada yada yada. Then came to the realization that it was David Carr.

You are comparing Ben to David Carr. Wow why so much hate??? Last i saw Ben is still a Steelers.

Just sayin'! Don't get things twisted....It's seems to be okay for everyone to criticize everyone and everything but Ben. I mean so many fans bashing the defense holding the texans to 17 points. Holding a team with a high powered offense to 17 points in this arena league style nfl. What more do you expect? For the defense to score 14 points too.

Ben has been in the same offense since coming into the league. He should be hands down the undisputed leader of this offense. He ain't doing something right and people don't want to admit it. Do you think the jets have a better OL than the steelers? I mean Mark Sanchez can find a way to scrap up some points and stay competitive... Albeit taking a beating....I find it hard to believe that all of these other teams out here have competent offensive lines and somehow ours just stinks to hell and don't belong in the nfl. I mean were all drafting from the same talent pool. I'm supposed to believe OL is so genetically inferior than every other team.

I truly believe the problems with this offense are a product of Ben being stubborn and refusing to better himself and Arians and Tomlin being the enablers.

I aint twisting anything.You said it and i quoted you.

Second thing you are now saying Sanchez is doing better than Ben against Ratbird. WTF. 1 TD by ST and 1 TD by Defense and you are saying Sanchez is doing better than Ben against Ratbirds??? I am not talking about 2 sack fumbles return for TD and 1 INT returned for TD. Did Ben played that horrible against Ratbirds??? It just shows you hate for Ben.

Jets had best Offensive line last season. they have an injured probowl Center in mangold this game but Jets has best LT and OC in NFL. And guess where they were drafted?? Jets O-line was one of the best in NFL last season. And guess what where they drafted there O-linemen??

If you don't believe Steelers O-line is a problem i guess you need to remove Ben-Hate goggles and watch the game. A team with 2 starting OT injured and LG/OC playing injured and you think O-line is not a problem??????

I didn't retract anything. But Does that make me a hater because I stated a fact that the same things were said about David Carr. For years Carr was defended because it was said his line was so bad. He couldn't do this or that because his line was getting him killed. After Carr left houston and that alleged awful line behind, I don't think much was heard from Carr. After that there was much clarification about was really all on the OL or if David Carr just couldn't get out of his own way....I see some similarities, but take as you will.

Again, we can agree to disagree about the jets OL. I don't think their one of the best OL this year. But then, you really wouldn't know because Mark Sanchez will get the ball out of his hands as opposed to being a sack dummy...

Watch the ratbirds game.. You are happy that Sanchez was Getting the ball out quick???? He completed 11 passes out of 35 for 120 yards. You want that performance for your QB???

He had 2 sack fumble returned for TD. He had an INT returned for TD. I prefer taking a sack rather than giving 21 points to your opponents.

Sanchez Stats:
New York Jets Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
Mark Sanchez(notes) 11 35 119 31.4 3.4 2 7 0 1 30.5


You are telling me you will take this play over Ben????You from Steelers43 fanclub???

[papillon]

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You are telling me you will take this play over Ben????You from Steelers43 fanclub???

Pappy

[skyhawk]

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If there's ANYONE who know that he needs to play better it would be BR.

I think he makes a statement against the Titans.

[Vindrow]

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Ben, the O-Line, Arians, Tomlin, and the rest of the coaches have their share of the blame, but I also place a big part of the blame on Rooney and Colbert for allowing the O-Line to get this bad and not addressing earlier.

[NJ-STEELER]

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, you really wouldn't know because Mark Sanchez will get the ball out of his hands as opposed to being a sack dummy...

LOL

[skyhawk]

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Ben, the O-Line, Arians, Tomlin, and the rest of the coaches have their share of the blame, but I also place a big part of the blame on Rooney and Colbert for allowing the O-Line to get this bad and not addressing earlier.

I agree they have ignored the line in the past drafts, but I don't think any franchise can handle losing 4 starting tackles in the span of 6 ish months.

[hawaiiansteel]

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Ben Roethlisberger civil case ongoing

By Adam Schefter - ESPN
Updated: October 2, 2011


Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger missed a portion of Wednesday's practice for a conference call pertaining to the ongoing civil case in which he is one of nine co-defendants, according to a source.

Though the NFL has asked Roethlisberger to settle the case, stemming from from a rape accusation at a Lake Tahoe celebrity golf event in July 2008, Roethlisberger has steadfastly refused because he doesn't believe he did anything wrong.

Andrea McNulty, a former Harrah's VIP hostess, has accused the two-time Super Bowl winner of raping her in his penthouse suite in July 2008, when Roethlisberger was at Lake Tahoe for a celebrity golf tournament.

Her suit seeks a minimum of $440,000 in damages from Roethlisberger, at least $50,000 in damages from the Harrah's officials and an unspecified amount of punitive damages.

Those who know Roethlisberger well believe he hasn't allowed the case to become a distraction, but the case took a bite out of Roethlisberger's practice schedule this week as the Steelers were preparing for Sunday's game versus the Houston Texans.

[url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7050049/ben-roethlisberger-pittsburgh-steelers-missed-practice-call-civil-suit-source-says"]http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/70500 ... ource-says[/url]

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

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if ben makes quicker decisions or doesn't leave the pocket so quick, the Oline would look better. the one time that really stands out was the time gilbert push williams past the pocket, but williams got to ben because ben left the pocket too early.

if ben had only trusted gilbert on that play....

So the problem is that Ben does not trust his line enough???

[NJ-STEELER]

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watching the high light wrap up shows, i think they only showed 1 instance of a big play coming when the defense blitzed. hasselback to washington quickly for a long gainer. also was the manning nicks winning TD. cards blitzed but didnt get there in time

the rest of the TDs/ big plays they showed all had the QB set up in the pocket with lots of time. rivers looked like he had 5 seconds on the 2 long balls to jackson

there was another play by cassel that had a blitz (5 man rush) come at him but it got picked up and he wasnt under any duress.

funny, i dont remeber that much pressure on the long TD to wallace in the colts game nor the long gainer in the seahawks game

take that for what its worth

also, merril showed a clip of just how poorly our OL is performing. a basic vanilla stunt got to ben in 1.5 seconds. highlighting an LB beating the LG in a matchup from the LOS

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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Thought you guys might get a kick out of Dulac's Tweet...I did.


gerrydulac Gerry Dulac
Steelers offensive line will be security agents at Pgh airport today. That way everyone gets thru quicker.

[feltdizz]

Re: Ben's Fault

watching the high light wrap up shows, i think they only showed 1 instance of a big play coming when the defense blitzed. hasselback to washington quickly for a long gainer. also was the manning nicks winning TD. cards blitzed but didnt get there in time

the rest of the TDs/ big plays they showed all had the QB set up in the pocket with lots of time. rivers looked like he had 5 seconds on the 2 long balls to jackson

there was another play by cassel that had a blitz (5 man rush) come at him but it got picked up and he wasnt under any duress.

funny, i dont remeber that much pressure on the long TD to wallace in the colts game nor the long gainer in the seahawks game

take that for what its worth

also, merril showed a clip of just how poorly our OL is performing. a basic vanilla stunt got to ben in 1.5 seconds. highlighting an LB beating the LG in a matchup from the LOS

It's not worth much... one play doesn't show how any of these teams OL's performed all game. Also have to look at how the QB's performed when the line broke down. Did they take the sack? Dump it off? Change the play at the line?