Ben's Fault

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

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if ben makes quicker decisions or doesn't leave the pocket so quick, the Oline would look better. the one time that really stands out was the time gilbert push williams past the pocket, but williams got to ben because ben left the pocket too early.

if ben had only trusted gilbert on that play....

What had Gilbert done all day that would inspire trust in him? Nothing, that's what, the offensive line was offensive, again.

He's leaving the pocket because he can't trust the line to hold a block even for 2 seconds. As soon as his back foot hits the ground you can see he's looking for defensive linemen and linebackers and not where the receivers are running routes. I can't blame him, today was pathetic bye the O-line.

Pappy

, which makes me Redundant Man in a way ...

[NJ-STEELER]

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if ben makes quicker decisions or doesn't leave the pocket so quick, the Oline would look better. the one time that really stands out was the time gilbert push williams past the pocket, but williams got to ben because ben left the pocket too early.

if ben had only trusted gilbert on that play....

What had Gilbert done all day that would inspire trust in him? Nothing, that's what, the offensive line was offensive, again.

He's leaving the pocket because he can't trust the line to hold a block even for 2 seconds. As soon as his back foot hits the ground you can see he's looking for defensive linemen and linebackers and not where the receivers are running routes. I can't blame him, today was pathetic bye the O-line.

Pappy

the rip inside rush by the guy essux was trying to block was devastating. seemed like such an easy move for him to get into ben's face

[RuthlessBurgher]

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This is the worst oline that I can remember. They not only lack talent, they are dumb as well. Not a good combination.

Since there was already an Animal House reference in this thread, I might as well add another here: "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son." And that goes double for anyone who has the gall to compare Ben Roethlisberger to David Carr.

[unionsteeler]

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Ive lurked here along time... I cant take this anymore.

Ben is not an elite Qb worth $100 + million ! if you think about it when was the last time Ben had a good to great game ? Last year vs Cleveland maybe ? How can some people let him of the hook constantly no matter how terrible he plays ? Are you telling me since midyear last season the OLine hasnt played a good game ? I know Ben hasnt. The guy has 3 td passes all year. Hassleback had 3 today ! Rodgers 4 ! Ben underthrew Wallace in the last drive of the 2nd q and then misses a wide open sanders in the endzone ! That leaded to a blocked FG and no points on the drive that should have resulted in a TD TWICE !

Is the oline playing good....no. If Ben could make a quick read 3/4's of this oline talk goes away. Now he's hurt again ? he's been milking this "broken foot" since the 8th grade ! What happens if Batch starts next week and gets the win ? It will be everybodys win but Batch's mark my words. AS for nobody else can play behind this line is Horsecrap people have said that for years now.....3-1 without him last year and the D gave up the winner on the last drive.

Ben is not producing at even the average NFL Qb level....geez I think Chad Henne has more TD passes then Ben and there 0-4 ! yep justt checked even Andy Dalton has more! OMG!

[Djfan]

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When your line is Betty White, Steven Hawking, Pouncey, Nick Vujicic and Richard Simmons, you have a QB with issues.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

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When your line is Betty White, Steven Hawking, Pouncey, Nick Vujicic and Richard Simmons, you have a QB with issues.

As near as I can tell, Pouncey has had his insides sucked out by some alien, it just looks like him up there.

[williar]

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They use to say all of the same things about David Carr as well. No protection, OL was getting him killed, yada yada yada. Then came to the realization that it was David Carr.

You are comparing Ben to David Carr. Wow why so much hate??? Last i saw Ben is still a Steelers.

Just sayin'! Don't get things twisted....It's seems to be okay for everyone to criticize everyone and everything but Ben. I mean so many fans bashing the defense holding the texans to 17 points. Holding a team with a high powered offense to 17 points in this arena league style nfl. What more do you expect? For the defense to score 14 points too.

Ben has been in the same offense since coming into the league. He should be hands down the undisputed leader of this offense. He ain't doing something right and people don't want to admit it. Do you think the jets have a better OL than the steelers? I mean Mark Sanchez can find a way to scrap up some points and stay competitive... Albeit taking a beating....I find it hard to believe that all of these other teams out here have competent offensive lines and somehow ours just stinks to hell and don't belong in the nfl. I mean were all drafting from the same talent pool. I'm supposed to believe OL is so genetically inferior than every other team.

I truly believe the problems with this offense are a product of Ben being stubborn and refusing to better himself and Arians and Tomlin being the enablers.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

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They use to say all of the same things about David Carr as well. No protection, OL was getting him killed, yada yada yada. Then came to the realization that it was David Carr.

You are comparing Ben to David Carr. Wow why so much hate??? Last i saw Ben is still a Steelers.

Just sayin'! Don't get things twisted....It's seems to be okay for everyone to criticize everyone and everything but Ben. I mean so many fans bashing the defense holding the texans to 17 points. Holding a team with a high powered offense to 17 points in this arena league style nfl. What more do you expect? For the defense to score 14 points too.

Ben has been in the same offense since coming into the league. He should be hands down the undisputed leader of this offense. He ain't doing something right and people don't want to admit it. Do you think the jets have a better OL than the steelers? I mean Mark Sanchez can find a way to scrap up some points and stay competitive... Albeit taking a beating....I find it hard to believe that all of these other teams out here have competent offensive lines and somehow ours just stinks to hell and don't belong in the nfl. I mean were all drafting from the same talent pool. I'm supposed to believe OL is so genetically inferior than every other team.

I truly believe the problems with this offense are a product of Ben being stubborn and refusing to better himself and Arians and Tomlin being the enablers.

IMO you bring up some good points. But, there's a difference between criticizing Ben and comparing him to David Carr. Just sayin'.

[flippy]

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Through 4 games:

85 for 138 (61% completions)
1148 yards
3 TDs
5 Ints
4 Fumbles Lost
14 Sacks


I get the NFL is a team game and QB's tend to get too much credit when they win and too much blame when they lose.

But Ben's putting up worse numbers than Cam Newton. And he's doing it at a time when the rules are swinging in the offense's favor.

As bad as we've been playing collectively, if Ben was on his game, we could be 4-0.

We've played bad before and been able to win ugly if/when Ben plays well. Even if we just get 2-3 good series out of the guy.

And I'm not trying to make the point that Ben's David Carr. Just that he's not playing well. He deserves most of the blame - he's the $100M man on offense. And he's not really getting called out for his subpar play.

And we've seen the guy succeed with a subpar line, no running game, and worse WRs.

He doesn't need an excuse. Sure, he deserves some excuses, but I've seen him do more with less before.

[grotonsteel]

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They use to say all of the same things about David Carr as well. No protection, OL was getting him killed, yada yada yada. Then came to the realization that it was David Carr.

You are comparing Ben to David Carr. Wow why so much hate??? Last i saw Ben is still a Steelers.

Just sayin'! Don't get things twisted....It's seems to be okay for everyone to criticize everyone and everything but Ben. I mean so many fans bashing the defense holding the texans to 17 points. Holding a team with a high powered offense to 17 points in this arena league style nfl. What more do you expect? For the defense to score 14 points too.

Ben has been in the same offense since coming into the league. He should be hands down the undisputed leader of this offense. He ain't doing something right and people don't want to admit it. Do you think the jets have a better OL than the steelers? I mean Mark Sanchez can find a way to scrap up some points and stay competitive... Albeit taking a beating....I find it hard to believe that all of these other teams out here have competent offensive lines and somehow ours just stinks to hell and don't belong in the nfl. I mean were all drafting from the same talent pool. I'm supposed to believe OL is so genetically inferior than every other team.

I truly believe the problems with this offense are a product of Ben being stubborn and refusing to better himself and Arians and Tomlin being the enablers.

I aint twisting anything.You said it and i quoted you.

Second thing you are now saying Sanchez is doing better than Ben against Ratbird. WTF. 1 TD by ST and 1 TD by Defense and you are saying Sanchez is doing better than Ben against Ratbirds??? I am not talking about 2 sack fumbles return for TD and 1 INT returned for TD. Did Ben played that horrible against Ratbirds??? It just shows you hate for Ben.

Jets had best Offensive line last season. they have an injured probowl Center in mangold this game but Jets has best LT and OC in NFL. And guess where they were drafted?? Jets O-line was one of the best in NFL last season. And guess what where they drafted there O-linemen??

If you don't believe Steelers O-line is a problem i guess you need to remove Ben-Hate goggles and watch the game. A team with 2 starting OT injured and LG/OC playing injured and you think O-line is not a problem??????

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

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I'm just saying that we would have no way of knowing whether Ben sucked the big wazoo worse than any other QB in football today ... or was the 2nd coming himself ...

as long as he played behind this OL. Can you imagine "Fetal Position" Payton Manning behind this line? Or Marsha Brady* - remember how she crumples like a rough draft origami swan with pressure?

I don't think I've ever seen Ben charged with succeeding behind a line this bad, but I may be wrong.

[flippy]

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I'm just saying that we would have no way of knowing whether Ben sucked the big wazoo worse than any other QB in football today ... or was the 2nd coming himself ...

as long as he played behind this OL. Can you imagine "Fetal Position" Payton Manning behind this line? Or Marsha Brady* - remember how she crumples like a rough draft origami swan with pressure?

I don't think I've ever seen Ben charged with succeeding behind a line this bad, but I may be wrong.

In fairness to Peyton, he'd audible out of Mendy up the middle.

[Djfan]

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I'm just saying that we would have no way of knowing whether Ben sucked the big wazoo worse than any other QB in football today ... or was the 2nd coming himself ...

as long as he played behind this OL. Can you imagine "Fetal Position" Payton Manning behind this line? Or Marsha Brady* - remember how she crumples like a rough draft origami swan with pressure?

I don't think I've ever seen Ben charged with succeeding behind a line this bad, but I may be wrong.

In fairness to Peyton, he'd audible out of Mendy up the middle.

And throw his line under the bus in a presser.

[Scarletfire1970]

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If Peyton and Brady are so perfect why does Peyton only have one SB throwing 3 TDs and 7 picks in that run to his only title and Brady has been one and done in the playoffs the past few years.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

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I'm just saying that we would have no way of knowing whether Ben sucked the big wazoo worse than any other QB in football today ... or was the 2nd coming himself ...

as long as he played behind this OL. Can you imagine "Fetal Position" Payton Manning behind this line? Or Marsha Brady* - remember how she crumples like a rough draft origami swan with pressure?

I don't think I've ever seen Ben charged with succeeding behind a line this bad, but I may be wrong.

In fairness to Peyton, he'd audible out of Mendy up the middle.