Ben's Fault

[Steveo]

Re: Ben's Fault

There's no one place to point blame, it’s the whole team this year. Our D looks slow and always out of place, yes Troy is getting better but as has already been said on this forum, where is Harris, Woodly, and company? Our O-Line can't seem to open a hole for our running game, and when they do Mendenhall just dances around in the back field (probably why Redman has some success), neither can they give Ben more than a second before he's being swarmed by several pass rushers. Also as already stated Ben has to take better care of the football, I understand he's getting hit allot and he tries to extend the play. That’s what makes him great, but for some reason he's being sloppy with the ball causing allot of fumbles when he gets hit, this has to stop. When discussing interceptions this blame needs to be distributed across the wide receivers as well as the QB. On more than one occasion it looks like Ben throws to a point where the receiver is supposed to be only to find he's not there and a defender is. Maybe this is a result of a shorter off season, bad coaching or something else, I don't know but it's in no way as simple as saying, it's the "D" or the O-Line, or even the QB.

[SteelTorch]

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Perhaps there needs to be a showdown.

Someone needs to tell Ben: "You will not play sandlot ball".

Ben needs to reply: "But it's what makes me great".

Someone then needs to then say, "OK, you win."

Then someone else needs to come in and fire someone and hire another someone who can call good plays, establish an offensive rhythm and make their star QB realize that he can win 3 more Super Bowls and extend his career by about 5 years if he listens to someone who is not full of crap.

Sometimes I'm convinced BA only has a career because Ben likes him. And I think Ben likes him only because BA sucks up to him. (only my supposition, mind you)

But I do not blame Ben. At least, not primarily. Majority of the blame lies with the putrid O-line. Ben is NOT Superman. He can only do so much.

[williar]

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Time to put up some points on O. The D held Houston to 17 when they typically score 30.

This offense is putrid.

And it all begins and ends with Ben.

You can say it's the play calls or the OLine. But it all starts and ends with the QB. And Ben is not getting it done.

Thank you Flippy!

For calling a spade a spade.....You know you will will be asked to turn in you fan card for stating what some of us have figured out a long time ago....

In delusional fan's mind, Ben is never the problem and he's better than Brady, Manning, Brees, Rogers, Rivers, Unitas, Montana, Marino, etc... Becauze he has more rings....

[Leper Friend]

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Time to put up some points on O. The D held Houston to 17 when they typically score 30.

This offense is putrid.

And it all begins and ends with Ben.

You can say it's the play calls or the OLine. But it all starts and ends with the QB. And Ben is not getting it done.

Thank you Flippy!

For calling a spade a spade.....You know you will will be asked to turn in you fan card for stating what some of us have figured out a long time ago....

In delusional fan's mind, Ben is never the problem and he's better than Brady, Manning, Brees, Rogers, Rivers, Unitas, Montana, Marino, etc... Becauze he has more rings....

Noone is even coming close to suggesting that but thanks anyway.

[sentinel33]

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Ben's "problems" can't and won't be fixed.

He needs better off. linemen in front of him that can pass protect.

That's the bottom line.

Nobody moans about his play when we win Super Bowls. But the moment we look like crap on offense, and we do, it's Ben's fault. You can't play both sides like that.

Give him one more good guard and a wicked OT and things will be different.
It's quite obvious this O-line is not good. Not even close. I think Gilbert and Foster can get the job done on the right side(but not this year) and Pouncey is nice. The left side needs to be addressed very seriously.

And bench Mendenhall. Hard.

[williar]

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Time to put up some points on O. The D held Houston to 17 when they typically score 30.

This offense is putrid.

And it all begins and ends with Ben.

You can say it's the play calls or the OLine. But it all starts and ends with the QB. And Ben is not getting it done.

Thank you Flippy!

For calling a spade a spade.....You know you will will be asked to turn in you fan card for stating what some of us have figured out a long time ago....

In delusional fan's mind, Ben is never the problem and he's better than Brady, Manning, Brees, Rogers, Rivers, Unitas, Montana, Marino, etc... Becauze he has more rings....

Noone is even coming close to suggesting that but thanks anyway.

Obviously! You haven't spent too much time on this board. Good for you...

[bostonsteeler]

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While Flip is not necessarily wrong here, I think Ben deserves a sliver of the benefit of the doubt. He is shellshocked right now. He is not even looking downfield on half the plays, he's looking at the rush. At times, he looks like a deer in headlights. This is utterly comical! Except, somehow I'm not laughing.

I don't know where the solution lies at this point. Can't coach up inferior talent on O-line. Won't get rid of OC who is not very good at his job. And, refuse to replace slow, aged veterans clearly showing signs of decline, apparently holding onto recent glory. Savvy veteran turns into old, slow guy in the blink of an eye, and it appears several Steelers defenders have reached that point. So until the powers that be decide status quo is not gonna get it done, it's gonna continue to be a bumpy ride.


Rockon



Rockon

Rock,

Id probably be in a minority here, but I lay this
a) on the HC for being too idiotic or wimpy to get rid of the obviously idiotic OC
b) the OC
c) The FO for not going after an OL
and only finally
d) Ben, who's generally *expecting* to be hit all the time and too busy saving his butt to be more than a scatter shot. He's growing older and likes the hits less.

I would begin by
a) reading Mike Tomlin the riot act and having him get rid of BA.
b) reading the FO the riot act and force them to get an OL
c) Not sure how, but restore Ben's confidence..

[BURGH86STEEL]

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if ben makes quicker decisions or doesn't leave the pocket so quick, the Oline would look better. the one time that really stands out was the time gilbert push williams past the pocket, but williams got to ben because ben left the pocket too early.

if ben had only trusted gilbert on that play....

I think there were times Ben left the pocket quickly because he perceived pressure when there wasn't any.

The Oline had issues this game. Oline did some things well in the 2nd half. It's not going to change as long as they have injuries and have the backups for the backups playing. Not being able to practice in pads more often is not going to help improve the situation.

[Djfan]

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I think there were times Ben left the pocket quickly because he perceived pressure when there wasn't any.

The Oline had issues this game. Oline did some things well in the 2nd half. It's not going to change as long as they have injuries and have the backups for the backups playing. Not being able to practice in pads more often is not going to help improve the situation.

I don't blame Ben for that. He might as well have no line. Just give him 10 receivers. We may do better.

As for the non-pad practices, it doesn't seem to be hurting other playoff teams this badly.

It's just our line being very crappy.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

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I believe Ben is getting worse, and it's because he is shell-shocked and completely appropriately doesn't trust his OL.

Blaming Ben for this team's offensive woes, given his OL, is like blaming a POW who has been electric tortured for 5 years for flinching every time he sees a set of jumper cables.

[BURGH86STEEL]

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I think there were times Ben left the pocket quickly because he perceived pressure when there wasn't any.

The Oline had issues this game. Oline did some things well in the 2nd half. It's not going to change as long as they have injuries and have the backups for the backups playing. Not being able to practice in pads more often is not going to help improve the situation.

I don't blame Ben for that. He might as well have no line. Just give him 10 receivers. We may do better.

As for the non-pad practices, it doesn't seem to be hurting other playoff teams this badly.

It's just our line being very crappy.

If Ben reacted to pressure when there wasn't any it was his fault.

How many of the playoffs teams loss both starting tackles and are playing with an injured left guard and center? That's the reality that this organization is facing going forward.

[williar]

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They use to say all of the same things about David Carr as well. No protection, OL was getting him killed, yada yada yada. Then came to the realization that it was David Carr.

[grotonsteel]

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They use to say all of the same things about David Carr as well. No protection, OL was getting him killed, yada yada yada. Then came to the realization that it was David Carr.

You are comparing Ben to David Carr. Wow why so much hate??? Last i saw Ben is still a Steelers.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

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They use to say all of the same things about David Carr as well. No protection, OL was getting him killed, yada yada yada. Then came to the realization that it was David Carr.

I think Ben has established creds that make the analogy less than completely perfect.

[papillon]

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if ben makes quicker decisions or doesn't leave the pocket so quick, the Oline would look better. the one time that really stands out was the time gilbert push williams past the pocket, but williams got to ben because ben left the pocket too early.

if ben had only trusted gilbert on that play....

What had Gilbert done all day that would inspire trust in him? Nothing, that's what, the offensive line was offensive, again.

He's leaving the pocket because he can't trust the line to hold a block even for 2 seconds. As soon as his back foot hits the ground you can see he's looking for defensive linemen and linebackers and not where the receivers are running routes. I can't blame him, today was pathetic bye the O-line.

Pappy