Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

[birtikidis]

Re: B

yea but at the same time, does Ben have a DOMINANT running back that carries the team when we need it? a guy like Bettis in his prime or Foster/Bam morris? not really, actually his run game has been pretty inconsistent.

We have a true three down back who, in many ways, is more talented than Bettis, Foster or Bam. He's certainly more complete.

The problem with our run game is our OC's terrible system for running. Running is just for show in his offense and Ben couldn't notice or hit a checkdown tight end or running back if his life depended on it. We have no fullback like the previous systems either.

I totally agree, Ben would be better in a run/play action system that used his athleticism to roll him out and make his reads easier and more reactionary than needing to diagnose coverage at the line, something Ben clearly doesn't do well.

Block, he Mendy may eventually be that dominant player, but he's not quite there yet. We had Bettis in his PRIME. A HOF running back in his prime.
but you bring up a good point. those qb's also had better OC's then Ben. so, there's a bunch of reasons why Ben is in a worse situation then those guys.

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Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

The problem with our run game is our OC's terrible system for running.

YOU are the person who calls the two TE set the best in football 43.

So if you want to rip Arians? Rip yourself.

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Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

If you don't think our teams reputation from the 70's on has something to do with the opinion some have of Ben that is your right.

The reputation of Ben has EVERYTHING to do with the opinion of Ben. I don't disagree with that at all.

YOU my friend, no one else, tried to say that Ben was drafted by a good team, when in reality, he and Peyton Manning were drafted by teams that went through the identical same periods of play for the previous 6 seasons.

But somehow Peyton was drafted by a doormat, and Ben was drafted by the 1976 Steelers.

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Ben in 2004 was in a run based and controlled system.

Wrong. They would pass to get leads, then run to protect them.

Have to watch the games, not the stats sheets 43.

[Blockhead]

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Block, he Mendy may eventually be that dominant player, but he's not quite there yet. We had Bettis in his PRIME. A HOF running back in his prime.
but you bring up a good point. those qb's also had better OC's then Ben. so, there's a bunch of reasons why Ben is in a worse situation then those guys.

You can't compare the systems. Mendenhall, with a FB and consistent rushing attempts, would be and is fantastic. Arians thinks Ben is Manning and allows him to throw it all over the place, in the worst situations, in completely transparent sets. More power running, more play action, limit Ben's reads to half the field, allow him to rollout and not have to diagnose in the pocket as much and our offense would fly, be more consistent and Ben would take less hits and sacks!

[feltdizz]

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yea but at the same time, does Ben have a DOMINANT running back that carries the team when we need it? a guy like Bettis in his prime or Foster/Bam morris? not really, actually his run game has been pretty inconsistent.

We have a true three down back who, in many ways, is more talented than Bettis, Foster or Bam. He's certainly more complete.

The problem with our run game is our OC's terrible system for running. Running is just for show in his offense and Ben couldn't notice or hit a checkdown tight end or running back if his life depended on it. We have no fullback like the previous systems either.

I totally agree, Ben would be better in a run/play action system that used his athleticism to roll him out and make his reads easier and more reactionary than needing to diagnose coverage at the line, something Ben clearly doesn't do well.

Block, he Mendy may eventually be that dominant player, but he's not quite there yet. We had Bettis in his PRIME. A HOF running back in his prime.
but you bring up a good point. those qb's also had better OC's then Ben. so, there's a bunch of reasons why Ben is in a worse situation then those guys.

If Mendenhall ran like he did in the playoffs he is there...

[Blockhead]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

Ben in 2004 was in a run based and controlled system.

Wrong. They would pass to get leads, then run to protect them.

Have to watch the games, not the stats sheets 43.

I'll leave you to your fantasyland. We asked Ben to make a few plays a game, often in the first half, then took the air out of the ball as we had a lead and ran it, controlling the clock and not allowing more passing to screw it up. Teams consistently stacked 8 in the box, making passing the right move and the easier move. Why would we keep passing with a lead? That's the stupid crap we do now that gives leads back.

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Why would we keep passing with a lead? That's the stupid crap we do now that gives leads back.

Wrong again 43, the Steelers give leads back, especially in 2009, because the defense gives up too many scores RIGHT AFTER the Steelers score themselves.

Again, you have to watch the games.

[birtikidis]

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Block, he Mendy may eventually be that dominant player, but he's not quite there yet. We had Bettis in his PRIME. A HOF running back in his prime.
but you bring up a good point. those qb's also had better OC's then Ben. so, there's a bunch of reasons why Ben is in a worse situation then those guys.

You can't compare the systems. Mendenhall, with a FB and consistent rushing attempts, would be and is fantastic. Arians thinks Ben is Manning and allows him to throw it all over the place, in the worst situations, in completely transparent sets. More power running, more play action, limit Ben's reads to half the field, allow him to rollout and not have to diagnose in the pocket as much and our offense would fly, be more consistent and Ben would take less hits and sacks!

Thank you for proving my point. we don't have any balance whatsoever. I wouldn't limit ben at all. that is just dumb.
and who ever said it.. IF Mendy runs like he did in the playoffs, he is there. I agree. now imagine Px2 leading the way...

[Blockhead]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

Why would we keep passing with a lead? That's the stupid crap we do now that gives leads back.

Wrong again 43, the Steelers give leads back, especially in 2009, because the defense gives up too many scores RIGHT AFTER the Steelers score themselves.

Again, you have to watch the games.

The offense has a lot to do with it. Short fields, not moving the ball late in games, like the 2008 SB. First three series of the 4th quarter, no first downs and negative yards, yet you blame the defense? Learn the game!!!!!!!

You're right, watch the games.

[Blockhead]

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[Thank you for proving my point. we don't have any balance whatsoever. I wouldn't limit ben at all. that is just dumb.
and who ever said it.. IF Mendy runs like he did in the playoffs, he is there. I agree. now imagine Px2 leading the way...

The more we allow Ben to think in the pocket, the easier we make it for oppposing defenses and the more our offense is inconsistent.

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Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

Mendenhall, with a FB and consistent rushing attempts, would be and is fantastic.

Mendenhall had 82 more carries this season than he had in 2009.

And yet, his big play ability would be and is worse this year.

Once again, facts prove you wrong.

[Blockhead]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

Mendenhall, with a FB and consistent rushing attempts, would be and is fantastic.

Mendenhall had 82 more carries this season than he had in 2009.

And yet, his big play ability would be and is worse this year.

Once again, facts prove you wrong.

Much to do with the system. Learn the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[feltdizz]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

If you don't think our teams reputation from the 70's on has something to do with the opinion some have of Ben that is your right.

The reputation of Ben has EVERYTHING to do with the opinion of Ben. I don't disagree with that at all.

YOU my friend, no one else, tried to say that Ben was drafted by a good team, when in reality, he and Peyton Manning were drafted by teams that went through the identical same periods of play for the previous 6 seasons.

But somehow Peyton was drafted by a doormat, and Ben was drafted by the 1976 Steelers.

The Colts were damn near a doormat when Peyton was drafted. Please list off the pro bowlers and all pro players form their roster.

We had Bettis, Kreider, Hines, Plax, Faneca, Hartings, Marvel, El, Porter, Troy, A. Smith, Hampton, Farrior, , Hope, Foote

I think you are the only one on the planet who thinks the 1998 Colts had the talent the 2004 Steelers had.


We had 13 years of Cowher + Whiz and Lebeau
Colts had a 1st year HC in Jim Mora, Arians, and who the hell knows who for an OC and DC

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The Steelers take the lead in KC, up 7 points.

Next KC drive:

Eight plays 91 yards, touchdown.

The Steelers take the lead against the Raiders.

Next Raider drive:

Three plays, 81 yards, touchdown.

The Steelers take the lead again.

Next Raider drive:

10 plays 88 yards, touchdown.

The Steelers score a TD to take the lead in Baltimore (No Ben by the way).

Next Ravens drive:

10 plays 84 yards, game tying FG.

Jeff Reed misses a 4th quarter FG up 7 in Chicago.

Next Bears drive?

9 plays, 72 yards, touchdown.

The Steelers up 20-9 in the 4th punt the ball to the Bengals in Cincy (This after trying to run the ball twice doing what you idiots want).

Next Bengals drive:

6 plays 85 yards, touchdown to cut the lead to five points.

The Steelers run twice from their own 38 yard line, punt up 20-15.

Next Bengals drive:

16 plays 71 yards, touchdown.

Where are these short field drives that hurts the defense 43?