Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

[feltdizz]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

so you were happy with mark malone, bubby and all the other turds we had?

HELLLL NO!

if we had even a decent qb Cowher would have won multiple super bowls.

some pundits and fans think Ben is the "decent QB" winning multiple SB's now.

[Crash]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

Ben will never be statistically elite, but really, who wants stats? not me.

But he IS elite with stats. When he's compared in the proper context.

Ben's 7 year stats mirror Montana.

Ben after 7 years also has thrown more TDs than the alleged great/elite Drew Brees did.

What else do people want?

Guys like Manning are going to have lopsided stats when he's played six more seasons.

JFC this ain't rocket science. People just need to use logic.

[feltdizz]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

...and reaching 5 AFCCG's and SB berth's with that kind of QB play is one of the reasons some question Ben's elite status.

Um, 5 AFC title games and 1 AFC title, in 23 years isn't that good.

[quote:217iaull]Oops.. my bad. I forgot you can't talk about the Steelers before Ben was drafted.

"As a black man I don't even recognize sports before blacks were allowed on the field."

-feltdizz February 21 2010.

So it's OK for YOU to not recognize sports because blacks didn't play but then you get PO'd because I say the success of the 1970's team has nothing to do with Ben?

That makes sense. [/quote:217iaull]

apples to oranges

[birtikidis]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

so you were happy with mark malone, bubby and all the other turds we had?

HELLLL NO!

if we had even a decent qb Cowher would have won multiple super bowls.

some pundits and fans think Ben is the "decent QB" winning multiple SB's now.

yea but at the same time, does Ben have a DOMINANT running back that carries the team when we need it? a guy like Bettis in his prime or Foster/Bam morris? not really, actually his run game has been pretty inconsistent.

[Crash]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

Ben has 144 TD passes after seven seasons in the league.

Brady after 7 threw 146.

[birtikidis]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

Ben has 144 TD passes after seven seasons in the league.

Brady after 7 threw 146.

Crash, I totally agree with you, but I don't have to compare him to these other qb's in the league. All I know is that since I was born, I never thought we had a qb who could win it all until now. Proof is on the screen/field.
Brady, Manning, Rivers, etc are all great players in their own right. All the guys who keep saying that ben wouldn't win on other teams aren't thinking. I mean, they would be right if the coaches were stubborn and didn't try to mold the system around their qb. that's what coaches are for.

[feltdizz]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

so you were happy with mark malone, bubby and all the other turds we had?

HELLLL NO!

if we had even a decent qb Cowher would have won multiple super bowls.

some pundits and fans think Ben is the "decent QB" winning multiple SB's now.

yea but at the same time, does Ben have a DOMINANT running back that carries the team when we need it? a guy like Bettis in his prime or Foster/Bam morris? not really, actually his run game has been pretty inconsistent.

You don't need a dominant running game when you have a good QB. The running game was good in 2004 and 2005 and slipped until last year.

[birtikidis]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

so you were happy with mark malone, bubby and all the other turds we had?

HELLLL NO!

if we had even a decent qb Cowher would have won multiple super bowls.

some pundits and fans think Ben is the "decent QB" winning multiple SB's now.

yea but at the same time, does Ben have a DOMINANT running back that carries the team when we need it? a guy like Bettis in his prime or Foster/Bam morris? not really, actually his run game has been pretty inconsistent.

You don't need a dominant running game when you have a good QB. The running game was good in 2004 and 2005 and slipped until last year.

felt, I was talking about those qb's before ben that had great running games that carried the team. Anyone who watched those teams KNOWS that if we had a decent qb, we make it to multiple super bowls.

[Crash]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

The running game wasn't that good in 2010, all they did was use the same erratic running game MORE.

But more really doesn't make it BETTER.

apples to oranges

Yeah, the black guy has his rules but won't give whitey Crash the same courtesy.

[Blockhead]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

Ben has 144 TD passes after seven seasons in the league.

Brady after 7 threw 146.

You're including his rookie year, in which he didn't play.

When you look at his first 7 years of actually seeing the field, he threw 197 tds compared to Ben's 146.

[feltdizz]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

felt, I was talking about those qb's before ben that had great running games that carried the team. Anyone who watched those teams KNOWS that if we had a decent qb, we make it to multiple super bowls.

[Crash]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

Ben has 144 TD passes after seven seasons in the league.

Brady after 7 threw 146.

You're including his rookie year, in which he didn't play.

When you look at his first 7 years of actually seeing the field, he threw 197 tds compared to Ben's 146.

So what? Ben didn't have the luxury of learning NFL defenses by watching film (and whatever else the Pats had) of defenses. He was too busy playing as a true rookie.

Until Brady wins a ring without video tape? His career is a farce.

He's laid 4 straight playoff eggs since they got caught. That's not a coincidence.

[Blockhead]

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yea but at the same time, does Ben have a DOMINANT running back that carries the team when we need it? a guy like Bettis in his prime or Foster/Bam morris? not really, actually his run game has been pretty inconsistent.

We have a true three down back who, in many ways, is more talented than Bettis, Foster or Bam. He's certainly more complete.

The problem with our run game is our OC's terrible system for running. Running is just for show in his offense and Ben couldn't notice or hit a checkdown tight end or running back if his life depended on it. We have no fullback like the previous systems either.

I totally agree, Ben would be better in a run/play action system that used his athleticism to roll him out and make his reads easier and more reactionary than needing to diagnose coverage at the line, something Ben clearly doesn't do well.

[feltdizz]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

The running game wasn't that good in 2010, all they did was use the same erratic running game MORE.

But more really doesn't make it BETTER.

apples to oranges

Yeah, the black guy has his rules but won't give whitey Crash the same courtesy.

keep stirring...

If you don't think our teams reputation from the 70's on has something to do with the opinion some have of Ben that is your right.

I joked you on your rule, I didn't say you weren't entitled to have it.

[Blockhead]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

Ben has 144 TD passes after seven seasons in the league.

Brady after 7 threw 146.

You're including his rookie year, in which he didn't play.

When you look at his first 7 years of actually seeing the field, he threw 197 tds compared to Ben's 146.

So what? Ben didn't have the luxury of learning NFL defenses by watching film (and whatever else the Pats had) of defenses. He was too busy playing as a true rookie.

Until Brady wins a ring without video tape? His career is a farce.

He's laid 4 straight playoff eggs since they got caught. That's not a coincidence.

Indeed he was playing but if you are going to compare number of years and stats, it only makes sense to use years both actually played.

Ben in 2004 was in a run based and controlled system. Not surprisingly, it was one of his best seasons. As we give him more rope, the more he hangs himself with it.