Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

[Crash]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

Bill's plan was for Maddox to start. Bill's plan was also to have Batch back Maddox up. Ben was to be #3 and "learn the system".

Those are facts. If you can't deal in them boy that's your problem, not mine.

Yes, that is how game 1 started but that does not address your statement listed above. As I have already stated, that is not uncommon with rookie QB's, especially one's coming from a mid level conference.

You said Bill NEVER wanted Ben to see the field his rookie year. I ask again, do you have proof or this belief and if so, link?

Scrap time means nothing to me. If you want to hang your head on that? Good for you.

I think Cowher's DONE coaching also. Once Ben won that ring without Cowher that was it. Because now since Ben already proved that Cowher needed him more than Ben needed Cowher anything that Cowher would do now would be compared to the 2008 Steelers.

Ben already set the bar. Cowher has no shot to reach it. Motivation only goes so far.

[Blockhead]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

Scrap time means nothing to me. If you want to hang your head on that? Good for you.

I think Cowher's DONE coaching also. Once Ben won that ring without Cowher that was it. Because now since Ben already proved that Cowher needed him more than Ben needed Cowher anything that Cowher would do now would be compared to the 2008 Steelers.

Ben already set the bar. Cowher has no shot to reach it. Motivation only goes so far.

I don't recall asking what scrap time meant to you. I also stated I rarely wear hats and need no place to hang them.

That's great that you think that of Cowher.

Given this is the 4th or 5th time I have ask you to provide proof of the notion you stated earlier and you have ducked and dodged the question everytime, I will assume you have no answer to the posted opinion and this is just another rambling notion to degrade the coach you hated for so many years.

Thanks for clearing that up. Have a nice day.

[Crash]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

I've dodged nothing. Bill's plan was to have Ben be the #3 QB in 2004.

Deal with it.

Have a nice day!

[Blockhead]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

I've dodged nothing. Bill's plan was to have Ben be the #3 QB in 2004.

Deal with it.

Have a nice day!

You stated Bill never intended to play Ben at all his rookie years. I ask you to provide anything that backs this up as fact. You have only been able to state who started game 1 as proof, which as we know, doesn't prove your statement by any means.

So, either you have an answer and a link or we can all assume this is simply another false notion you have stated as fact, without in fact being fact. You have also been presented with multiple facts regarding Ben's drafting and yet you have refused to believe with them.

It's pretty clear you believe what you wish to believe and you have no idea what the definition of fact is.

[Crash]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

You have also been presented with multiple facts regarding

I have? You guys are using ONE QUOTE to dismiss YEARS of facts and quotes about the 2004 draft. You came back here after being banned again to call me out you freak.

Please go back to StillerNation with the rest of the retards, you aren't wanted or needed here.

[Blockhead]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

You have also been presented with multiple facts regarding

I have? You guys are using ONE QUOTE to dismiss YEARS of facts and quotes about the 2004 draft.

Actually, you have been presented with two quotes and neither one backs up your belief and one directly refutes your belief.

[SteelTorch]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

TROLL IS TROLLING

LOL

Hey...I had to put it in words you can comprehend.

[LordVile]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

[url="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/202446-the-making-of-a-legend-ben-roethlisberger-the-rookie"]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2024 ... the-rookie[/url]

"Roethlisberger did not immediately step in as the starting quarterback for the Steelers. He was the No. 3 QB behind Tommy Maddox and Charlie Batch. When Batch was injured in the preseason, however, Roethlisberger moved up to no. 2. Maddox started, and won, the season opener against the Raiders and started versus the Ravens. But after an ineffective outing and third-quarter injury to Maddox, Roethlisberger stepped in for his first NFL action. Despite spurring a mild comeback, the Steelers lost the game. Maddox's injury changed the Steelers' original plan for Roethlisberger, which was for him to sit on the bench or play sparingly during the first season or two in order to learn the team's system. Instead, he started the third game of the season."

[Crash]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

We'll I'll be damned......

[Blockhead]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/202446-the-making-of-a-legend-ben-roethlisberger-the-rookie

"Roethlisberger did not immediately step in as the starting quarterback for the Steelers. He was the No. 3 QB behind Tommy Maddox and Charlie Batch. When Batch was injured in the preseason, however, Roethlisberger moved up to no. 2. Maddox started, and won, the season opener against the Raiders and started versus the Ravens. But after an ineffective outing and third-quarter injury to Maddox, Roethlisberger stepped in for his first NFL action. Despite spurring a mild comeback, the Steelers lost the game. Maddox's injury changed the Steelers' original plan for Roethlisberger, which was for him to sit on the bench or play sparingly during the first season or two in order to learn the team's system. Instead, he started the third game of the season."

Once again, do you have a link that shows proof. I can link Crash's opinion and it would be no different than linking bleacherreport. There is nothing to show any of this as anything but this Nick's opinion. He is not part of the media and has no connection to the team, like Crash.



I'll wait for something but a fan's opinion. Find me a Colbert or Cowher quote. Oh wait, those aren't credible either.

[Crash]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

You don't hold Dan Rooney credible 43, so now what?

Go away. Trolls aren't welcomed here.

[Crash]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

And if you want to start using media? The media BACKS ME!

[Blockhead]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

You don't hold Dan Rooney credible.

Dan Rooney stated that momentum had going towards Shawn Andrews and that he then steered the conversation back to Ben and Ben ended up being the selection.

I have no reason to not believe him. I'm sure he did steer the conversation for another look at Ben. He didn't say, "we are taking Ben, not Andrews so send the card in." He simply steered the conversation.

Then a Colbert quote came out,

' Choosing Ben Roethlisberger with the 11th pick of the 2004 draft. Normally, I'd make the franchise quarterback a GM's best decision -- especially with Big Ben on the verge of winning his third Super Bowl -- but Colbert credits former coach Bill Cowher for selling everyone on the Miami (of Ohio) quarterback, saying the move had to be made "for the good of the organization." He was right. Roethlisberger is one of the top quarterbacks in the game and a virtual certainty to make the Hall of Fame."

Which tells us when you put the two quotes together, both Rooney and Cowher were on board and wanted Ben as the selection in 2004. Those are undiputable facts, based on actual quotes of people in the know. I have no reason to not believe them.

Now, if you can show a Colbert or Rooney quote, not some fan writing on bleacher report his opinion, I will have no problem believing the plan was to let him sit the entire year. As I expressed earlier, it is nothing new for a young QB, especially one from the MAC, to sit and learn for at least a few games. I have no idea what the actual plan was and I suspect you do not either but we all know how you hated Bill Cowher and I am sure nobody is surprised you will deny facts or make up things to further slander him. You hate him like Hines Ward, Dick LeBeau, David Johnson, Matt Spaeth, etc. etc.

I'll await the facts and choose to have no true opinion until then as I am sure you will continue to believe Bill Cowher is the devil.

[Blockhead]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

And if you want to start using media? The media BACKS ME!

with facts and quotes from people that know?

Well, then link them up! Get to it.

[Crash]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

Maddox was expected to start all season so the Steelers could slowly bring along Roethlisberger, the No. 11 overall draft pick and only quarterback they have drafted on the first round since 1981.

Asked if the Steelers (1-1) can be a playoff contender with a rookie quarterback, Cowher said, "We will certainly find out.

[url="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/steelers/2004-09-20-maddox-elbow_x.htm"]http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football ... lbow_x.htm[/url]

Nice vote of confidence for the rookie QB there Bill. Oh wait, he never wanted Ben, so that explains it.

"Tommy Maddox is our incumbent starter," Cowher said. "I'm not saying that things can't change, but right now Tommy Maddox is our incumbent starter. And Charlie Batch backs him up, and Brian St. Pierre is No. 3 because right now, I don't think that Ben could take us out of the huddle.

[url="http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_191112.html#ixzz1GEo1ViF6"]http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... z1GEo1ViF6[/url]

More encouragement to Ben from the coach who "led the charge" to select him.