"It's scary how good Ben can be"

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Tom Brady and Peyton Manning do quite well with multiple te packages.

When does Peyton use them? His offense now is majority three WR sets. Jacob Tamme had 6 catches in two years prior to Dallas' Clarks injury. Gijon Robinson has 12 catches in two years.

Brady's "2nd TE" is an H-back role. I wish we would do that more. Movement, motion, move guys around. But we insist on pea-brain, simple minded smash mouth football with Waste of Spaeth and David Johnson.

You aren't in the Steelers offices nor their huddle 43, you don't know how the offense is run.

[Blockhead]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

you don't know how the offense is run.

I played football at various levels. You never played any level.

I have a much larger grasp of offense and especially defense than you. You can't even tell the difference between zone and man, which has been confirmed multiple times by your quotes.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

you don't know how the offense is run.

I played football at various levels. You never played any level.

I have a much larger grasp of offense and especially defense than you. You can't even tell the difference between zone and man, which has been confirmed multiple times by your quotes.

You aren't in the Steelers offices nor their huddle 43, you don't know how the offense is run.

[Blockhead]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

you don't know how the offense is run.

My background gives me a much better base of understanding than someone like yourself.

[birtikidis]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Felt, I'm not saying that anyone here said it. I'm saying ti's what we do. we don't use a fb. we don't have a lot of underneath options. etc.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Felt, I'm not saying that anyone here said it. I'm saying ti's what we do. we don't use a fb. we don't have a lot of underneath options. etc.

Not having a true FB is not a big issue as far as I am concerned. It's a personal philosophy. The bottom line is execution. People screamed predictability as soon as they lined up a with a FB in the backfield. The same way they screamed it with the TE sets on the field. They passed or ran regardless of who was out on the field. They ran more out of certain formations just like they passed more out of certain formations.

I don't know what one would consider a lot of underneath options. I do know they provided underneath options in the passing game. The QB makes the final decision where he wants to go with the football.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

take the fastest guy in the league and make him run backwards before running forward. Great idea!

Instead of running those wack azzz bubble screens with Wallace and Hines...
Why not fake that and throw to Mend in the flat the other way?

Wallace has shown how dangerous he is... why are we asking him to run 20 yards on every route before he can touch the ball? I know showed flashes late in the season but this is what we were screaming for when Ben was getting his nose broke.

When is the last time we saw Mend as the first option in a pass play? Why isn't he catching 40 to 50 balls out of the backfield right now? That's 3 passes a game..

How many times have we seen our WR's run AFTER the catch? Think about it... Wallace can burn, Brown can burn and so can Sanders.

I don't buy the "we don't do it" because we did it... but I think we need to do it before Ben gets crushed instead of waiting until he has taken a ton of hits and is on one leg.

There were so many times in the NO game where the Saints dared us to throw underneath and we refused to do it. The ball can be caught short of the first down and advanced... but there were times it looked like we didn't believe it was possible.

[Crash]

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When is the last time we saw Mend as the first option in a pass play? Why isn't he catching 40 to 50 balls out of the backfield right now? That's 3 passes a game..

Because we're the Stillers and we need to run the ball.

[grotonsteel]

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When is the last time we saw Mend as the first option in a pass play? Why isn't he catching 40 to 50 balls out of the backfield right now? That's 3 passes a game..

Because we're the Stillers and we need to run the ball.

I have been telling ya Steelers love to run the ball instead of throwing 4 yard passes to RB. That is how Steelers team are built. Great Defense. Take time off the clock and let the D take over a close game.

50 catches to a RB???? Dude are you kidding me....???????

Here are the breakdown for 2010

Mike Wallace -60 catches
Hines Ward - 59
Manny - 28
Brown -16
Mendy -16

Now you want Mendy to catch 50 times +325 carries??? Are you out of your mind???

This is a perfect recipe for a defeat. So you are telling lets throw less to Wallace and Ward and throw more to Mendy.

Again your dink and dunk won't work when you are throwing 25 times a game.

[papillon]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

When is the last time we saw Mend as the first option in a pass play? Why isn't he catching 40 to 50 balls out of the backfield right now? That's 3 passes a game..

Because we're the Stillers and we need to run the ball.

I have been telling ya Steelers love to run the ball instead of throwing 4 yard passes to RB. That is how Steelers team are built. Great Defense. Take time off the clock and let the D take over a close game.

50 catches to a RB???? Dude are you kidding me....???????

Here are the breakdown for 2010

Mike Wallace -60 catches
Hines Ward - 59
Manny - 28
Brown -16
Mendy -16

Now you want Mendy to catch 50 times +325 carries??? Are you out of your mind???

This is a perfect recipe for a defeat. So you are telling lets throw less to Wallace and Ward and throw more to Mendy.

Again your dink and dunk won't work when you are throwing 25 times a game.

I think what he is saying is to keep Mendy's touches the same, but eliminate 35-40 running plays and replace them with swing passes, flat passes, screen passes, etc that effectively function as a running play. It may also reduce Mendy's wear and tear if he isn't running into 300 pound defensive linemen and taking on 240 pound LBs or 200 pound safeties and corner backs.

I don't think the Steelers want to increase Mendy's touches.

Pappy

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

When is the last time we saw Mend as the first option in a pass play? Why isn't he catching 40 to 50 balls out of the backfield right now? That's 3 passes a game..

Because we're the Stillers and we need to run the ball.

I have been telling ya Steelers love to run the ball instead of throwing 4 yard passes to RB. That is how Steelers team are built. Great Defense. Take time off the clock and let the D take over a close game.

50 catches to a RB???? Dude are you kidding me....???????

Here are the breakdown for 2010

Mike Wallace -60 catches
Hines Ward - 59
Manny - 28
Brown -16
Mendy -16

Now you want Mendy to catch 50 times +325 carries??? Are you out of your mind???

This is a perfect recipe for a defeat. So you are telling lets throw less to Wallace and Ward and throw more to Mendy.

Again your dink and dunk won't work when you are throwing 25 times a game.

I think what he is saying is to keep Mendy's touches the same, but eliminate 35-40 running plays and replace them with swing passes, flat passes, screen passes, etc that effectively function as a running play. It may also reduce Mendy's wear and tear if he isn't running into 300 pound defensive linemen and taking on 240 pound LBs or 200 pound safeties and corner backs.

I don't think the Steelers want to increase Mendy's touches.

Pappy

Well sounds good on paper but unfortunately Steelers don't so it that way. They want to pound the ball and wear down the opposition.

Again if Steelers start throwing more then it makes perfect sense to have short passes. But if you are going to throw only say 25 times a game it does not make sense for this dink and dunk offense.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I have been telling ya Steelers love to run the ball instead of throwing 4 yard passes to RB. That is how Steelers team are built. Great Defense. Take time off the clock and let the D take over a close game.

50 catches to a RB???? Dude are you kidding me....???????

Here are the breakdown for 2010

Mike Wallace -60 catches
Hines Ward - 59
Manny - 28
Brown -16
Mendy -16

Now you want Mendy to catch 50 times +325 carries??? Are you out of your mind???

This is a perfect recipe for a defeat. So you are telling lets throw less to Wallace and Ward and throw more to Mendy.

Again your dink and dunk won't work when you are throwing 25 times a game.

3 catches a game is not a lot....

do you really think we can feed Mend 325 times every year?

Those 3 passes a game would replace 3 RUTFM's... do you think it's wise for Mend to have 325 carries?

That is insane.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Well sounds good on paper but unfortunately Steelers don't so it that way. They want to pound the ball and wear down the opposition.

Again if Steelers start throwing more then it makes perfect sense to have short passes. But if you are going to throw only say 25 times a game it does not make sense for this dink and dunk offense.

who said trade our O for dink and dunk?

Mend already runs in the flat... all I'm saying is Ben will take less hits and keep blitzing D's honest if he threw to the RB a few times a game.

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I have been telling ya Steelers love to run the ball instead of throwing 4 yard passes to RB. That is how Steelers team are built. Great Defense. Take time off the clock and let the D take over a close game.

50 catches to a RB???? Dude are you kidding me....???????

Here are the breakdown for 2010

Mike Wallace -60 catches
Hines Ward - 59
Manny - 28
Brown -16
Mendy -16

Now you want Mendy to catch 50 times +325 carries??? Are you out of your mind???

This is a perfect recipe for a defeat. So you are telling lets throw less to Wallace and Ward and throw more to Mendy.

Again your dink and dunk won't work when you are throwing 25 times a game.

3 catches a game is not a lot....

do you really think we can feed Mend 325 times every year?

Those 3 passes a game would replace 3 RUTFM's... do you think it's wise for Mend to have 325 carries?

That is insane.

I am not a fan of 325 carries. It will end Mendy carrier pretty quickly.

As i said i don't have any problem with Ben throwing more to Mendy but i don't want any throws away from Wallace/Brown/Ward or Manny.

If steelers are going to throw more it makes perfect sense to throw more to your RB/TE.

But if they are going throw same way as they did it in 2010 you have to take ball out of Wallace/Ward hands who are playmakers in the passing game.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I have been telling ya Steelers love to run the ball instead of throwing 4 yard passes to RB. That is how Steelers team are built. Great Defense. Take time off the clock and let the D take over a close game.

50 catches to a RB???? Dude are you kidding me....???????

Here are the breakdown for 2010

Mike Wallace -60 catches
Hines Ward - 59
Manny - 28
Brown -16
Mendy -16

Now you want Mendy to catch 50 times +325 carries??? Are you out of your mind???

This is a perfect recipe for a defeat. So you are telling lets throw less to Wallace and Ward and throw more to Mendy.

Again your dink and dunk won't work when you are throwing 25 times a game.

3 catches a game is not a lot....

do you really think we can feed Mend 325 times every year?

Those 3 passes a game would replace 3 RUTFM's... do you think it's wise for Mend to have 325 carries?

That is insane.

I am not a fan of 325 carries. It will end Mendy carrier pretty quickly.

As i said i don't have any problem with Ben throwing more to Mendy but i don't want any throws away from Wallace/Brown/Ward or Manny.

If steelers are going to throw more it makes perfect sense to throw more to your RB/TE.

But if they are going throw same way as they did it in 2010 you have to take ball out of Wallace/Ward hands who are playmakers in the passing game.

I disagree... Ben doesn't complete every pass so some of those incompletions to Sanders and Wallace would turn into completions and 1st downs with Mend...

and Ben would take less abuse.