Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

our secondary is nowhere near the worst the NFL. Ike is a good NFL corner, Troy is exceptional (though his aggressive style can be exploited), Clark is slow but savvy, Gay has often looked decent at nickel back (and occasionally terrible), and BMac is not very good as a starter. All in all, I think we average out to an average pass defense. We have weaknesses. But, most teams do. And, with the way the rules are now, pass defenses rarely look dominant against good teams.

This thread had legs when we lost to the Pats because we looked terrible. But, then the Pats did the same thing to the Jets and Bears (both have good defenses). Is our secondary Super Bowl quality? Maybe not. But, worst in the NFL? Not even close.

The Bengals may be 2-10, but they still produce a high number of points and decent yards. We held a good offense down for most of the day and scored on them twice. It was a great effort. It was also nice to see LeBeau get more aggressive and disguise his coverages cleverly. It was also nice to see our offense get jobbed on several calls and still move the ball effectively (even though we again stalled in the red zone).

To be FAIR no one said it was the worst... I do think we are among the worst though.

We were great against the Bungles but ummm.... anyway you slice it they are 2-10 and Palmer sucks this year. I've noticed lately how teams like the Bungles are still called good because it makes us feel better about our teams deficiencies. They are a terrible team.

The title of the thread asks, "Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?"

[steelz09]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

As much as I'd hate to say it... I think our secondary will get picked apart against a very accurate short passing team like the Pats and Saints (both losses this year).

We can't get pressure on the QB without significant blitzes which will leave our secondary exposed. Brady and Brees' of the world are extremely accurate passers so it's not likely they'll make dumb mistakes.

Brady is getting rid of the ball in the 3 second range which gives little time for our blitzers to get to the QB. This also means that the WR/TE are not running deep routes which isn't good considering our DB's give the receivers a 10+ yard cushion.

I just don't think we match up well against those teams at all. Especially against the Pats, I would try to hold all the WR's to the line of scrimmage and dial up various blitz packages on every play. Hold the WR's at the line as much as possible and by the time they release, hopefully Brady is under pressure. I know this is easier said than done, but I don't see how we'll win otherwise.

[feltdizz]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

bengals rank 12th out of 32 teams in the NFL in passing offense.

spin, spin, spin.

STATS ARE FOR LOSERS...

Carson Palmer has 18 INT's this year.. a 78 passer rating and...

Carson Palmer turnovers this season have led to 79 points for opposing teams, according to the Cincinnati Enquirer. He threw two interceptions that were returned for touchdowns in Cincinnati's 23-7 loss to the Steelers on Sunday.
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He has thrown five pick sixes this season while also losing a fumble that was returned for a touchdown. Six of his other interceptions and four of his lost fumbles have been converted into 58 points for opposing teams. Pretty soon, he's going to be eligible as a team defense in your fantasy league.

They are 2-10 for a reason. The only reason Carson isn't on the bench is because he was smart enough to get his brother as his back up.

I'm not trying to bash our win... just trying to keep it in perspective and not use this win as proof we have an awesome secondary.

[feltdizz]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

our secondary is nowhere near the worst the NFL. Ike is a good NFL corner, Troy is exceptional (though his aggressive style can be exploited), Clark is slow but savvy, Gay has often looked decent at nickel back (and occasionally terrible), and BMac is not very good as a starter. All in all, I think we average out to an average pass defense. We have weaknesses. But, most teams do. And, with the way the rules are now, pass defenses rarely look dominant against good teams.

This thread had legs when we lost to the Pats because we looked terrible. But, then the Pats did the same thing to the Jets and Bears (both have good defenses). Is our secondary Super Bowl quality? Maybe not. But, worst in the NFL? Not even close.

The Bengals may be 2-10, but they still produce a high number of points and decent yards. We held a good offense down for most of the day and scored on them twice. It was a great effort. It was also nice to see LeBeau get more aggressive and disguise his coverages cleverly. It was also nice to see our offense get jobbed on several calls and still move the ball effectively (even though we again stalled in the red zone).

To be FAIR no one said it was the worst... I do think we are among the worst though.

We were great against the Bungles but ummm.... anyway you slice it they are 2-10 and Palmer sucks this year. I've noticed lately how teams like the Bungles are still called good because it makes us feel better about our teams deficiencies. They are a terrible team.

The title of the thread asks, "Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?"

i meant inside the thread... I know what the title is asking.

[feltdizz]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

As much as I'd hate to say it... I think our secondary will get picked apart against a very accurate short passing team like the Pats and Saints (both losses this year).

We can't get pressure on the QB without significant blitzes which will leave our secondary exposed. Brady and Brees' of the world are extremely accurate passers so it's not likely they'll make dumb mistakes.

Brady is getting rid of the ball in the 3 second range which gives little time for our blitzers to get to the QB. This also means that the WR/TE are not running deep routes which isn't good considering our DB's give the receivers a 10+ yard cushion.

I just don't think we match up well against those teams at all. Especially against the Pats, I would try to hold all the WR's to the line of scrimmage and dial up various blitz packages on every play. Hold the WR's at the line as much as possible and by the time they release, hopefully Brady is under pressure. I know this is easier said than done, but I don't see how we'll win otherwise.

Well, given our seeding right now lets hope the Pats get knocked off and the Saints don't make it to the SB.

Funny thing is the Pats passing D was said to be 31st... but it sure doesn't look like they are 31st. Stats only tell a portion of the whole story.

[steelblood]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

our secondary is nowhere near the worst the NFL. Ike is a good NFL corner, Troy is exceptional (though his aggressive style can be exploited), Clark is slow but savvy, Gay has often looked decent at nickel back (and occasionally terrible), and BMac is not very good as a starter. All in all, I think we average out to an average pass defense. We have weaknesses. But, most teams do. And, with the way the rules are now, pass defenses rarely look dominant against good teams.

This thread had legs when we lost to the Pats because we looked terrible. But, then the Pats did the same thing to the Jets and Bears (both have good defenses). Is our secondary Super Bowl quality? Maybe not. But, worst in the NFL? Not even close.

The Bengals may be 2-10, but they still produce a high number of points and decent yards. We held a good offense down for most of the day and scored on them twice. It was a great effort. It was also nice to see LeBeau get more aggressive and disguise his coverages cleverly. It was also nice to see our offense get jobbed on several calls and still move the ball effectively (even though we again stalled in the red zone).

To be FAIR no one said it was the worst... I do think we are among the worst though.

We were great against the Bungles but ummm.... anyway you slice it they are 2-10 and Palmer sucks this year. I've noticed lately how teams like the Bungles are still called good because it makes us feel better about our teams deficiencies. They are a terrible team.

The title of the thread asks, "Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?"

i meant inside the thread... I know what the title is asking.

Worst or "among the worst"... I think my points still apply.

[feltdizz]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

our secondary is nowhere near the worst the NFL. Ike is a good NFL corner, Troy is exceptional (though his aggressive style can be exploited), Clark is slow but savvy, Gay has often looked decent at nickel back (and occasionally terrible), and BMac is not very good as a starter. All in all, I think we average out to an average pass defense. We have weaknesses. But, most teams do. And, with the way the rules are now, pass defenses rarely look dominant against good teams.

This thread had legs when we lost to the Pats because we looked terrible. But, then the Pats did the same thing to the Jets and Bears (both have good defenses). Is our secondary Super Bowl quality? Maybe not. But, worst in the NFL? Not even close.

The Bengals may be 2-10, but they still produce a high number of points and decent yards. We held a good offense down for most of the day and scored on them twice. It was a great effort. It was also nice to see LeBeau get more aggressive and disguise his coverages cleverly. It was also nice to see our offense get jobbed on several calls and still move the ball effectively (even though we again stalled in the red zone).

To be FAIR no one said it was the worst... I do think we are among the worst though.

We were great against the Bungles but ummm.... anyway you slice it they are 2-10 and Palmer sucks this year. I've noticed lately how teams like the Bungles are still called good because it makes us feel better about our teams deficiencies. They are a terrible team.

The title of the thread asks, "Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?"

i meant inside the thread... I know what the title is asking.

Worst or "among the worst"... I think my points still apply.

so does mine

[Oviedo]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

As much as I'd hate to say it... I think our secondary will get picked apart against a very accurate short passing team like the Pats and Saints (both losses this year).

We can't get pressure on the QB without significant blitzes which will leave our secondary exposed. Brady and Brees' of the world are extremely accurate passers so it's not likely they'll make dumb mistakes.

Brady is getting rid of the ball in the 3 second range which gives little time for our blitzers to get to the QB. This also means that the WR/TE are not running deep routes which isn't good considering our DB's give the receivers a 10+ yard cushion.

I just don't think we match up well against those teams at all. Especially against the Pats, I would try to hold all the WR's to the line of scrimmage and dial up various blitz packages on every play. Hold the WR's at the line as much as possible and by the time they release, hopefully Brady is under pressure. I know this is easier said than done, but I don't see how we'll win otherwise.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

STATS ARE FOR LOSERS...

They are 2-10 for a reason. The only reason Carson isn't on the bench is because he was smart enough to get his brother as his back up.

I'm not trying to bash our win... just trying to keep it in perspective and not use this win as proof we have an awesome secondary.

i'm just trying to bring some facts to the table since all you seem to be able to do is stamp your feet like a child and make bizarre analogies. please pont out the posts where anyone called them an "awesome secondary". i'll wait.

regardless of what you think, the duo of owens/johnson are respected throughout the league. we did catch a break with greshamn being out. the bengals(like the ravens) rank well into the top half of the league in throwing the football on sundays. they must be throwing it on somebody...

it just wasn't us.

[feltdizz]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

STATS ARE FOR LOSERS...

They are 2-10 for a reason. The only reason Carson isn't on the bench is because he was smart enough to get his brother as his back up.

I'm not trying to bash our win... just trying to keep it in perspective and not use this win as proof we have an awesome secondary.

i'm just trying to bring some facts to the table since all you seem to be able to do is stamp your feet like a child and make bizarre analogies. please pont out the posts where anyone called them an "awesome secondary". i'll wait.

regardless of what you think, the duo of owens/johnson are respected throughout the league. we did catch a break with greshamn being out. the bengals(like the ravens) rank well into the top half of the league in throwing the football on sundays. they must be throwing it on somebody...

it just wasn't us.

my analogies are far from bizarre... I merely pointed out why 1 game doesn't mean our secondary is now legit anymore than 1 good game by Ben and Wallace wouldn't prove our OL is fixed. I thought it was a pretty simple analogy. No spin at all...

The Pats pass D is/was ranked 31st. Is it a fact that their pass D sucks? I don't think so... stats aren't facts.. they are numbers on a paper that give you a slice of a very big pie. When are these plays happening? What is the score at the time the stats are being racked up? I know stats are useful but that aren't "facts" when judging a secondary or passing attack.

As far as the Ravens game... Flacco was eating our secondary up for 186 yards by halftime. It wasn't until we brought the blitz that our D improved.

If the Ravens O is so great why are their fans piling on Cam? Why is Mason dogging the O if they are so great? Maybe, just maybe, one or 2 games where they piled up stats doesn't tell the whole story of how good or bad their offense is.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

my analogies are far from bizarre... I merely pointed out why 1 game doesn't mean our secondary is now legit anymore than 1 good game by Ben and Wallace wouldn't prove our OL is fixed. I thought it was a pretty simple analogy. No spin at all...

that makes zero sense. it's not even the same side of the ball.

why not compare an apple to a bowling pin next?

[feltdizz]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

my analogies are far from bizarre... I merely pointed out why 1 game doesn't mean our secondary is now legit anymore than 1 good game by Ben and Wallace wouldn't prove our OL is fixed. I thought it was a pretty simple analogy. No spin at all...

that makes zero sense. it's not even the same side of the ball.

why not compare an apple to a bowling pin next?

you just went full retard on me.

We disagree on this but I'm not going to continue discussing this when it's obvious you are dumbing yourself down.

[SteelTorch]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

my analogies are far from bizarre... I merely pointed out why 1 game doesn't mean our secondary is now legit anymore than 1 good game by Ben and Wallace wouldn't prove our OL is fixed. I thought it was a pretty simple analogy. No spin at all...

that makes zero sense. it's not even the same side of the ball.

why not compare an apple to a bowling pin next?

you just went full retard on me.

We disagree on this but I'm not going to continue discussing this when it's obvious you are dumbing yourself down.

People usually have to dumb themselves down to talk on the same level with you. :P

PS: We're all going by more than one game, too.

[feltdizz]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

my analogies are far from bizarre... I merely pointed out why 1 game doesn't mean our secondary is now legit anymore than 1 good game by Ben and Wallace wouldn't prove our OL is fixed. I thought it was a pretty simple analogy. No spin at all...

that makes zero sense. it's not even the same side of the ball.

why not compare an apple to a bowling pin next?

you just went full retard on me.

We disagree on this but I'm not going to continue discussing this when it's obvious you are dumbing yourself down.

People usually have to dumb themselves down to talk on the same level with you. :P

PS: We're all going by more than one game, too.

that was so original

those who are critical or concerned with the secondary are also going by more than one or 2 games.

[SteelTorch]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

that was so original

those who are critical or concerned with the secondary are also going by more than one or 2 games.

In that case, you may like this:

Steelers defense now ranks 6th in passing YPA allowed, fifth in defensive passer rating, and 6th in interceptions.