Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

[SteelTorch]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

Did I say all 3rd down conversions? I said 3rd and longs... derp. Ask anyone on here and they will say they would prefer a 3rd and short over a 3rd and long.

It's true, our measly O put up 16 against the Bills.....AND!!!! Our measly DB's were 5 yards from a wide open WR who luckily dropped the game winner.

You like to name call... but you refuse to admit the obvious. Our secondary is not good at all.... Did I say the D as a whole is bad? No, but we are talking about the secondary.

If you think the secondary is the reason why we are winning you are clearly in denial.

feel free to name call some more...

So "just" 3rd and long? Have you actually bothered to look up how we do on third and long, or do you just base all your assumptions off one game? I'll give you a hint: the D doesn't give up many third and longs this year. That pass against the Bills? One play out of one game, after the defense was stopping them all night. See, this is why you fail: you run your mouth about things you don't even check your facts on, then use ridiculous reasoning to try to justify it.

Yes, the secondary is part of the reason we're winning. They may have stunk last year, but they've made big improvements this year. They're not top five, but they're not an achilles heal anymore. Deal with it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

As far as the name-calling, I've tried reasoning with you plenty of times without it. But after debating with you so long, I'm convinced more than ever you're just not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Oh, and I DID post stats reflecting our secondary, but you missed them (as you do many things). I also forgot to mention the defense is tied for 10th in the league in interceptions.

FAIL!

You are a stat hound... I don't need stats to tell me what my eyes are seeing. That one play was the difference between winning and losing the Bills game and highlights the obvious... our pass D is our weakness. Even the 4th and 2 Flacco under threw was wide open. If you don't think our secondary is the achilles heel I have a great bridge to sell you...

Ask anyone what our weakness on D is... ask anyone the formula to beating us.. it's pass pass pass.

By your logic BA, the OL and our kick off distance have been awesome this year because we are 9-3.

..and you name call because your intelligence is lacking.

Only you would point to two plays out of the whole season and use that as "proof". Another fail again. And I see you also ignored everything else in my post while putting words in my mouth. Typical feltdizz.

Call me a stat hound all you want. Unlike you, I can actually back up my statements with logic.


Oh, you're still dumb, by the way.

[feltdizz]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

You said the secondary isn't our Achilles heel this year. You lost already. It isn't just 2 plays... thoseare just examples of our secondaries weakness.

Notice how no one is jumping in to defend this great secondary?

I pointed out 2 obvious plays but you can look at the photos in this thread if you need more examples. I'm not knocking the D as a whole but the secondary? Not good.... at all.

Bmac is too busy looking in the backfield to cover anyone. Gay is good in the nickel but he can be abused with ease unfortunately. Ike is decent but spends to much time swaggin to be an elite DB. Clark used to be decent but he is slow as dirt.

Our whole season depends on our LB's to get pressure because without it our DB's are sitting ducks.

[SteelTorch]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

You said the secondary isn't our Achilles heel this year. You lost already. It isn't just 2 plays... thoseare just examples of our secondaries weakness.

Notice how no one is jumping in to defend this great secondary?

I pointed out 2 obvious plays but you can look at the photos in this thread if you need more examples. I'm not knocking the D as a whole but the secondary? Not good.... at all.

Bmac is too busy looking in the backfield to cover anyone. Gay is good in the nickel but he can be abused with ease unfortunately. Ike is decent but spends to much time swaggin to be an elite DB. Clark used to be decent but he is slow as dirt.

Our whole season depends on our LB's to get pressure because without it our DB's are sitting ducks.

Funny how you can't actually back up your statements, though, except with two plays and your own opinion. At least I have numbers on my side.

You said our secondary was among the worst in the league (actually you said our pass D was among the worst, then you back-pedaled and changed it to our secondary) - I'm telling you you're wrong. They're average at worst. They may be the weakest part of our defense, but they're not an achilles heel and that doesn't make them bad, and certainly not among the worst in the league. If they were, our pass D would not be doing as well as it is.

And I don't know if you actually watch games or just the highlights, but secondaries usually struggle when the pass rush isn't hurrying the QB. On Flacco's lone TD pass, he had over seven seconds to throw. That's just as much the fault of those rushing as it is of the secondary. Not hard to understand (not to most people anyway).

[NorthCoast]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

Guess which team is statistically even worse in pass defense? That's right, it's NE. They are at or near the bottom in almost all pass defense categories. So how have they managed? You can cover up a lot of warts with scheme, but in the end it takes a good offense to cover for a bad defense. NE does it by outscoring the other team by a wide margin (+9.2) and they are #1 in scoring offense at more than 30 pts/gm.

[feltdizz]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

Pass D, secondary... both are bad/ among the worst and Torch you are right, it is my opinion. You presented a stat where are pass D is 24th... is that a number that says good or bad?

Point is... stats can show a ton of things but the games show the true story. You talk and talk but all you have is stats, I put forth more than 2 plays but you are acting like a child. Odontoceti expect you to understand the difference between a bad secondary/ pass defense and a bad team.

Northcoast... I agree 100%. Just because a team has a bad pass D it doesn't mean the team sucks.

[SteelTorch]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

Pass D, secondary... both are bad/ among the worst and Torch you are right, it is my opinion. You presented a stat where are pass D is 24th... is that a number that says good or bad?

Point is... stats can show a ton of things but the games show the true story. You talk and talk but all you have is stats, I put forth more than 2 plays but you are acting like a child. Odontoceti expect you to understand the difference between a bad secondary/ pass defense and a bad team.

This is yet another reason why you fail so hard and why I questioned your intelligence. You tend to "miss" things that you don't agree with. The one stat we were 24th in were passing yards per game - and I even said that passing yards don't win games. Everything else, however, our passing D was ranked in the top 10. It was posted right there, but apparently you were too busy grasping at straws to notice. Need I remind you, you first said our pass defense was among the worst in the league, then you changed it to just our secondary.

Oh, and how the players play affects the game, thus it's reflected in the stat sheet. Stats aren't everything, but they are important. Deal with it. You only don't like the stats I use because they don't agree with your preconceptions.

[feltdizz]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

Pass D, secondary... both are bad/ among the worst and Torch you are right, it is my opinion. You presented a stat where are pass D is 24th... is that a number that says good or bad?

Point is... stats can show a ton of things but the games show the true story. You talk and talk but all you have is stats, I put forth more than 2 plays but you are acting like a child. Odontoceti expect you to understand the difference between a bad secondary/ pass defense and a bad team.

This is yet another reason why you fail so hard and why I questioned your intelligence. You tend to "miss" things that you don't agree with. The one stat we were 24th in were passing yards per game - and I even said that passing yards don't win games. Everything else, however, our passing D was ranked in the top 10. It was posted right there, but apparently you were too busy grasping at straws to notice. Need I remind you, you first said our pass defense was among the worst in the league, then you changed it to just our secondary.

Oh, and how the players play affects the game, thus it's reflected in the stat sheet. Stats aren't everything, but they are important. Deal with it. You only don't like the stats I use because they don't agree with your preconceptions.

please remind me again.. the first 4 times you typed it I didn't see it.

Plain and simple, our secondary is among the worst in the league...our pass D is among the worst in the league...

both are primary weaknesses of our D.

Northcoast just posted NE's ranking and it's terrible as well... they are 10-2. A team can struggle in one area and still be a good team.

For some reason you think it's impossible for our pass D/secondary (take your pick or choose both) because they are 9-3.

and stats mean jack in this argument. The pass D is azzz.

[Oviedo]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

Some would incorrectly continue to argue that because we are 9-3 we don't have some serious issues on defense.

I guess the corallary argument that those individuals would make and must support is that we have a Top 5 offense in the NFL because we are 9-3 and we must have one of the best Offensive Coordinators in the NFL because we are 9-3.

[SteelTorch]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

please remind me again.. the first 4 times you typed it I didn't see it.

Plain and simple, our secondary is among the worst in the league...our pass D is among the worst in the league...

both are primary weaknesses of our D.

Northcoast just posted NE's ranking and it's terrible as well... they are 10-2. A team can struggle in one area and still be a good team.

For some reason you think it's impossible for our pass D/secondary (take your pick or choose both) because they are 9-3.

and stats mean jack in this argument. The pass D is azzz.

And I'm telling you...they're not. I've watched the games and seen the stats. Maybe last year they were among the worst, but this year definitely not. I'm basing my conclusion off of what I've seen and what the stats show. You're basing your conclusion off of absolutely nothing. :P

Oh, and by the way, I never said they must be good just because they're 9-3 (you however have said similar things when defending the offense). That is just another example of how you distort things and put words in people's mouths. Another reason why you fail so hard in this argument.

[feltdizz]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

please remind me again.. the first 4 times you typed it I didn't see it.

Plain and simple, our secondary is among the worst in the league...our pass D is among the worst in the league...

both are primary weaknesses of our D.

Northcoast just posted NE's ranking and it's terrible as well... they are 10-2. A team can struggle in one area and still be a good team.

For some reason you think it's impossible for our pass D/secondary (take your pick or choose both) because they are 9-3.

and stats mean jack in this argument. The pass D is azzz.

And I'm telling you...they're not. I've watched the games and seen the stats. Maybe last year they were among the worst, but this year definitely not. I'm basing my conclusion off of what I've seen and what the stats show. You're basing your conclusion off of absolutely nothing. :P

Oh, and by the way, I never said they must be good just because they're 9-3 (you however have said similar things when defending the offense). That is just another example of how you distort things and put words in people's mouths. Another reason why you fail so hard in this argument.

it's called disagreeing.. I can disagree with your opinion without calling you names and acting like a 5 year old.

You think the pass D is good.. I don't. You think the secondary is good.. I don't. You are an expert in your own mind. congrats.

[feltdizz]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

Some would incorrectly continue to argue that because we are 9-3 we don't have some serious issues on defense.

I guess the corallary argument that those individuals would make and must support is that we have a Top 5 offense in the NFL because we are 9-3 and we must have one of the best Offensive Coordinators in the NFL because we are 9-3.

exactly...

[Oviedo]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

please remind me again.. the first 4 times you typed it I didn't see it.

Plain and simple, our secondary is among the worst in the league...our pass D is among the worst in the league...

both are primary weaknesses of our D.

Northcoast just posted NE's ranking and it's terrible as well... they are 10-2. A team can struggle in one area and still be a good team.

For some reason you think it's impossible for our pass D/secondary (take your pick or choose both) because they are 9-3.

and stats mean jack in this argument. The pass D is azzz.

And I'm telling you...they're not. I've watched the games and seen the stats. Maybe last year they were among the worst, but this year definitely not. I'm basing my conclusion off of what I've seen and what the stats show. You're basing your conclusion off of absolutely nothing. :P

Oh, and by the way, I never said they must be good just because they're 9-3 (you however have said similar things when defending the offense). That is just another example of how you distort things and put words in people's mouths. Another reason why you fail so hard in this argument.

it's called disagreeing.. I can disagree with your opinion without calling you names and acting like a 5 year old.

You think the pass D is good.. I don't. You think the secondary is good.. I don't. You are an expert in your own mind. congrats.

felt....the majority would agree with your arguments and wouldn't have to resort to name calling to do so. Thank you for your mature discourse over the past couple of days.

[SteelTorch]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

please remind me again.. the first 4 times you typed it I didn't see it.

Plain and simple, our secondary is among the worst in the league...our pass D is among the worst in the league...

both are primary weaknesses of our D.

Northcoast just posted NE's ranking and it's terrible as well... they are 10-2. A team can struggle in one area and still be a good team.

For some reason you think it's impossible for our pass D/secondary (take your pick or choose both) because they are 9-3.

and stats mean jack in this argument. The pass D is azzz.

And I'm telling you...they're not. I've watched the games and seen the stats. Maybe last year they were among the worst, but this year definitely not. I'm basing my conclusion off of what I've seen and what the stats show. You're basing your conclusion off of absolutely nothing. :P

Oh, and by the way, I never said they must be good just because they're 9-3 (you however have said similar things when defending the offense). That is just another example of how you distort things and put words in people's mouths. Another reason why you fail so hard in this argument.

it's called disagreeing.. I can disagree with your opinion without calling you names and acting like a 5 year old.

You think the pass D is good.. I don't. You think the secondary is good.. I don't. You are an expert in your own mind. congrats.

Oh I don't HAVE to call you names. I just choose too. :P

Of course you're entitled to your own opinion. Everyone is. However, unlike you, I can actually back myself up with stuff that makes sense.

Oh, and you're still dumb.

[NorthCoast]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

While I agree most of the stats point to a sad Steelers pass defense, one intriguing one is average opponent passer rating. This would take into account passing scores, yards, interceptions, completions, etc. The Steelers are 7th best in the league with opposing QBs averaging 77.1 rating. GB, Chicago, Baltimore are top 3 defenses in this category. Worst is Houston with opposing QBs avg rating of 102.1!! Wow!

[SteelTorch]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

While I agree most of the stats point to a sad Steelers pass defense, one intriguing one is average opponent passer rating. This would take into account passing scores, yards, interceptions, completions, etc. The Steelers are 7th best in the league with opposing QBs averaging 77.1 rating. GB, Chicago, Baltimore are top 3 defenses in this category. Worst is Houston with opposing QBs avg rating of 102.1!! Wow!

They DON'T however. They actually point to a good/decent pass defense.