Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

[Captain Lemming]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

As long as we have Troy P our secondary will not be the worst even if the rest of the secondary consisted of:

[Oviedo]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

Still hating, haters?

Still not fooling ourselves because we beat a 2-10 football that marched down the field on us in their opening drive without any resistence. We were saved by exceptional INDIVIDUAL plays by Troy and Woodley. That does not diminish the fact that other than Troy and Ike our DBs are mediocre at best.

[feltdizz]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

Still hating, haters?

Still not fooling ourselves because we beat a 2-10 football that marched down the field on us in their opening drive without any resistence. We were saved by exceptional INDIVIDUAL plays by Troy and Woodley. That does not diminish the fact that other than Troy and Ike our DBs are mediocre at best.

Some people are so short sighted. The D played great yesterday. Pressure really does hide our weakness.

If we go no huddle all game and dink and dunk the Jets to death it will prove our OL is the best in the league.

[SteelTorch]

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Still hating, haters?

Still not fooling ourselves because we beat a 2-10 football that marched down the field on us in their opening drive without any resistence. We were saved by exceptional INDIVIDUAL plays by Troy and Woodley. That does not diminish the fact that other than Troy and Ike our DBs are mediocre at best.

Oh yes, because one opening drive (again partly set up by penalties) speaks for an entire game.

Ovi-logic at its finest.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

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same old song and dance from the "lazy boy" experts.

pass defense provides 3 picks, taking 2 of them back for touchdowns and they point to a meaningless 1st drive of the game.

this is just getting absurd at this point.

[ikestops85]

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The defense had a lull mid-season after starting out great. Now they are playing lights out. Even our secondary is benefitting from the more aggressive style that DL has been calling lately.

Of course Troy had been excellent. Ike has been good. Ryan Clark has slipped considerably in the last couple of years. Once again there was a play where the ball went whistling past him as he focused on hitting the receiver. Bmac rarely has anyone covered. He seems to play in the same area code as the receiver but not any closer.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

Still hating, haters?

Still not fooling ourselves because we beat a 2-10 football that marched down the field on us in their opening drive without any resistence. We were saved by exceptional INDIVIDUAL plays by Troy and Woodley. That does not diminish the fact that other than Troy and Ike our DBs are mediocre at best.

Yeah, but Troy and Ike constitute half of our starting secondary. If our other DB's are mediocre, that essentially means they have average, not bottom of the barrel bad. This thread is asking if we have the worst secondary in the league. If one of our corners is good to very good, and our strong safety is awesome to other-worldly, the other two guys could be playing in wheelchairs, and we wouldn't likely be considered to be the worst secondary in the league, because there are teams in which all 4 starters in the secondary are varying degrees of suck with no one close to the talent level or Troy or Ike.

[feltdizz]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

Still hating, haters?

Still not fooling ourselves because we beat a 2-10 football that marched down the field on us in their opening drive without any resistence. We were saved by exceptional INDIVIDUAL plays by Troy and Woodley. That does not diminish the fact that other than Troy and Ike our DBs are mediocre at best.

Yeah, but Troy and Ike constitute half of our starting secondary. If our other DB's are mediocre, that essentially means they have average, not bottom of the barrel bad. This thread is asking if we have the worst secondary in the league. If one of our corners is good to very good, and our strong safety is awesome to other-worldly, the other two guys could be playing in wheelchairs, and we wouldn't likely be considered to be the worst secondary in the league, because there are teams in which all 4 starters in the secondary are varying degrees of suck with no one close to the talent level or Troy or Ike.

No one said they were the worst... but are they among the worst? I think so...

Troy is amazing... but there is a huge drop off after that. BMac pretty much puts our secondary into the bottom 3rd all by himself. Ike is having a decent year but in all honesty I think most will agree our secondary isn't that good.

No one fears our secondary, they fear Troy and the LB's blitzing.

I don't see why 3 great plays by Troy and Woodley against a 2-9 Bungles team AT HOME proves our secondary has turned a corner.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

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i'm getting dizzy from all the spin.

nobody fears our secondary, they fear troy and the LB's?

just stop dude, you look ridiculous. the pass defense is a part of the greater whole which is one of the top defenses in the league and has been for awhile now.

[steelblood]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

our secondary is nowhere near the worst the NFL. Ike is a good NFL corner, Troy is exceptional (though his aggressive style can be exploited), Clark is slow but savvy, Gay has often looked decent at nickel back (and occasionally terrible), and BMac is not very good as a starter. All in all, I think we average out to an average pass defense. We have weaknesses. But, most teams do. And, with the way the rules are now, pass defenses rarely look dominant against good teams.

This thread had legs when we lost to the Pats because we looked terrible. But, then the Pats did the same thing to the Jets and Bears (both have good defenses). Is our secondary Super Bowl quality? Maybe not. But, worst in the NFL? Not even close.

The Bengals may be 2-10, but they still produce a high number of points and decent yards. We held a good offense down for most of the day and scored on them twice. It was a great effort. It was also nice to see LeBeau get more aggressive and disguise his coverages cleverly. It was also nice to see our offense get jobbed on several calls and still move the ball effectively (even though we again stalled in the red zone).

[feltdizz]

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i'm getting dizzy from all the spin.

nobody fears our secondary, they fear troy and the LB's?

just stop dude, you look ridiculous. the pass defense is a part of the greater whole which is one of the top defenses in the league and has been for awhile now.

Teams fear Ben and Mike Wallace.... does that mean our OL is top notch?

It's not rocket science dude...

[Eddie Spaghetti]

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Teams fear Ben and Mike Wallace.... does that mean our OL is top notch?

It's not rocket science dude...

just stop.

you're not even making any sense at this point.

[feltdizz]

Re: Do we have the worst defensive secondary in the NFL?

our secondary is nowhere near the worst the NFL. Ike is a good NFL corner, Troy is exceptional (though his aggressive style can be exploited), Clark is slow but savvy, Gay has often looked decent at nickel back (and occasionally terrible), and BMac is not very good as a starter. All in all, I think we average out to an average pass defense. We have weaknesses. But, most teams do. And, with the way the rules are now, pass defenses rarely look dominant against good teams.

This thread had legs when we lost to the Pats because we looked terrible. But, then the Pats did the same thing to the Jets and Bears (both have good defenses). Is our secondary Super Bowl quality? Maybe not. But, worst in the NFL? Not even close.

The Bengals may be 2-10, but they still produce a high number of points and decent yards. We held a good offense down for most of the day and scored on them twice. It was a great effort. It was also nice to see LeBeau get more aggressive and disguise his coverages cleverly. It was also nice to see our offense get jobbed on several calls and still move the ball effectively (even though we again stalled in the red zone).

To be FAIR no one said it was the worst... I do think we are among the worst though.

We were great against the Bungles but ummm.... anyway you slice it they are 2-10 and Palmer sucks this year. I've noticed lately how teams like the Bungles are still called good because it makes us feel better about our teams deficiencies. They are a terrible team.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

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bengals rank 12th out of 32 teams in the NFL in passing offense.

spin, spin, spin.

[feltdizz]

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Teams fear Ben and Mike Wallace.... does that mean our OL is top notch?

It's not rocket science dude...

just stop.

you're not even making any sense at this point.

I easily provided an answer to your question. You don't have to like it but it's the truth...

Troy and Woodley making plays on a 2-10 Palmer doesn't prove the secondary isn't our achillees heal.