Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

[ANPSTEEL]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

Its looking more and more likely that Ben is not going to be with the team.

The continued negative media coverage, and fan outrage, would seem certain to doom his future with the team.

The dilemma for the Steelers is, can they get enough in return to make a trade worth it??

Here are my thoughts regarding this-

Assuming the Steelers front office has decided Ben needs to go-

If they are unable to obtain at least 2 first round picks in return at this time...

I'd suspend Ben for the entire season. (even if the League suspends him for only 2 games w/o pay-) This way the media scrutiny would disappear, and the Steelers could fine Ben something equivalent to 50% or more of his 2010 salary.

They could sign some vet QB for a reasonable amount (equivalent to what they fine Ben).
They'd go with Dixon and the vet to be signed (Leftwhich??) for the season.

Then- next off season, once all the negative scrutiny has passed, and he becomes less of a "media hand grenade" for the League and other prospective teams - then they trade him.

This would allow the team to:
-do the right thing image-wise (per the media and fan scrutiny)
-cover their financial losses
-evaluate Dixon
-obtain the most in return for a franchise QB the would normally garner multiple 1st round picks in compensation.


Good Luck Ben

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

Its looking more and more likely that Ben is not going to be with the team.

The continued negative media coverage, and fan outrage, would seem certain to doom his future with the team.

The dilemma for the Steelers is, can they get enough in return to make a trade worth it??

Here are my thoughts regarding this-

Assuming the Steelers front office has decided Ben needs to go-

If they are unable to obtain at least 2 first round picks in return at this time...

I'd suspend Ben for the entire season. (even if the League suspends him for only 2 games w/o pay-) This way the media scrutiny would disappear, and the Steelers could fine Ben something equivalent to 50% or more of his 2010 salary.

They could sign some vet QB for a reasonable amount (equivalent to what they fine Ben).
They'd go with Dixon and the vet to be signed (Leftwhich??) for the season.

Then- next off season, once all the negative scrutiny has passed, and he becomes less of a "media hand grenade" for the League and other prospective teams - then they trade him.

This would allow the team to:
-do the right thing image-wise (per the media and fan scrutiny)
-cover their financial losses
-evaluate Dixon
-obtain the most in return for a franchise QB the would normally garner multiple 1st round picks in compensation.


Good Luck Ben

I think there were probably serious talks within the organization about what to do with Ben? Not sure what value teams around the league place on a player like Ben. Fans seem to usually place more value on their own players then other teams.

I don't think Ben should be suspended for the entire season. Only time will heal the relationship between Ben, the league, the fans, and organization. There are some fans that will never come to terms with the way Ben treated that young lady.

[Sugar]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

Its looking more and more likely that Ben is not going to be with the team.

The continued negative media coverage, and fan outrage, would seem certain to doom his future with the team.

The dilemma for the Steelers is, can they get enough in return to make a trade worth it??

Here are my thoughts regarding this-

Assuming the Steelers front office has decided Ben needs to go-

If they are unable to obtain at least 2 first round picks in return at this time...

I'd suspend Ben for the entire season. (even if the League suspends him for only 2 games w/o pay-) This way the media scrutiny would disappear, and the Steelers could fine Ben something equivalent to 50% or more of his 2010 salary.

They could sign some vet QB for a reasonable amount (equivalent to what they fine Ben).
They'd go with Dixon and the vet to be signed (Leftwhich??) for the season.

Then- next off season, once all the negative scrutiny has passed, and he becomes less of a "media hand grenade" for the League and other prospective teams - then they trade him.

This would allow the team to:
-do the right thing image-wise (per the media and fan scrutiny)
-cover their financial losses
-evaluate Dixon
-obtain the most in return for a franchise QB the would normally garner multiple 1st round picks in compensation.


Good Luck Ben

Um, no to just about everything but the "Good Luck Ben" part.

[Ghost]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

I think he's staying and the Rooney's will give him a chance to "redeam' himself, whatever they consider that to be.

With that said, what about AZ? Warner is gone, Lienert is not the answer, and I'm guessing Whis would love to have him out there where he makes a fresh start and a fan base who'll be excited to have a legit QB? No idea what they could give for him though.**

**this is just for off season discussion purposes. No legitmate thought was put into these musings....

[NW Steeler]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

For those of you that think Ben should be traded, I hope that you are willing to wait another 30 years for a 7th SB title. Ben is an azzhole, not a criminal. He deserves a chance to redeem himself IN Pittsburgh.

[Oviedo]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

For those of you that think Ben should be traded, I hope that you are willing to wait another 30 years for a 7th SB title. Ben is an azzhole, not a criminal. He deserves a chance to redeem himself IN Pittsburgh.

[steelblood]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

Ben is an azzhole, not a criminal.

-technically
-for now
-possibly because of his wallet

This idea that since he wasn't charged, he is innocent of any crime is off. He may be more than an *******. I hope not. But, the possibility certainly exists.

[papillon]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

For those of you that think Ben should be traded, I hope that you are willing to wait another 30 years for a 7th SB title. Ben is an azzhole, not a criminal. He deserves a chance to redeem himself IN Pittsburgh.

I don't think he should be traded, but the 49ers and the Seahawks have two picks in the first round. Each of them could use a franchise quarterback with the most wins in the history of the NFL in his first 6 years.

Trade with Seahawks for 2 firsts nets: 6/14/18
Trade with 49ers for 2 firsts nets 13/17/18

The Rams need a lot of help, package 1.6/1.14 and our third round pick to move into 1.1 and take Bradford. That leaves the Steelers with their 1.18 and 1.50 plus all the lower round picks for the rest of the draft. (I know the 1.6/1.14 and our third round doesn't add up to 3000, but it's close)

If the trade with 49ers were to materialize keep the picks and select any combination of impact players with the 3 first round selections.

The Steelers wouldn't be as bad as many think if they were to trade Ben and get draft picks. The Steeler front office has done well at evaluating 1st round talent.

Pappy

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

Ben is an azzhole, not a criminal.

-technically
-for now
-possibly because of his wallet

This idea that since he wasn't charged, he is innocent of any crime is off. He may be more than an bad word. I hope not. But, the possibility certainly exists.

Officer who took first Roethlisberger report resigns

Friday, April 16, 2010
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


The Milledgeville, Ga., police officer who took the first report from the woman who accused Ben Roethlisberger of rape has resigned.

Milledgeville police Chief Woodrow Blue confirmed that Sgt. Jerry Blash has left the force.

A friend of the accuser told investigators that it seemed at first that Mr. Blash was not going to take a report on the incident the night it occurred. She said Mr. Blash then said he would but noted that Mr. Roethlisberger has wealth and access to lawyers and that they would be wasting their time.

One of the quarterback's bodyguards also quoted Mr. Blash as making derogatory comments about the accuser.



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[Slapstick]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

This idea that since he wasn't charged, he is innocent of any crime is off. He may be more than an bad word. I hope not. But, the possibility certainly exists.

This idea that since he was accused, he is guilty is equally off...

[NW Steeler]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

For those of you that think Ben should be traded, I hope that you are willing to wait another 30 years for a 7th SB title. Ben is an azzhole, not a criminal. He deserves a chance to redeem himself IN Pittsburgh.

I don't think he should be traded, but the 49ers and the Seahawks have two picks in the first round. Each of them could use a franchise quarterback with the most wins in the history of the NFL in his first 6 years.

Trade with Seahawks for 2 firsts nets: 6/14/18
Trade with 49ers for 2 firsts nets 13/17/18

The Rams need a lot of help, package 1.6/1.14 and our third round pick to move into 1.1 and take Bradford. That leaves the Steelers with their 1.18 and 1.50 plus all the lower round picks for the rest of the draft. (I know the 1.6/1.14 and our third round doesn't add up to 3000, but it's close)

If the trade with 49ers were to materialize keep the picks and select any combination of impact players with the 3 first round selections.

The Steelers wouldn't be as bad as many think if they were to trade Ben and get draft picks. The Steeler front office has done well at evaluating 1st round talent.

Pappy

The only way I would even consider it from a trade standpoint would be for the Rams #1 and their second round pick this year, and another pick next year in the first or second round. Ben is a franchise QB and is worth more than the Hawks or 9ers 2 picks. We would have to have the top pick and then some.

[Sugar]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

This idea that since he wasn't charged, he is innocent of any crime is off. He may be more than an bad word. I hope not. But, the possibility certainly exists.

This idea that since he was accused, he is guilty is equally off...

Exactly- remember there is a presumption of innocence, not guilt. That's even after enough evidence has been gathered to make a charge. What happened with Ben didn't even get that far.

[Lebsteel]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

For those of you that think Ben should be traded, I hope that you are willing to wait another 30 years for a 7th SB title. Ben is an azzhole, not a criminal. He deserves a chance to redeem himself IN Pittsburgh.

I don't think he should be traded, but the 49ers and the Seahawks have two picks in the first round. Each of them could use a franchise quarterback with the most wins in the history of the NFL in his first 6 years.

Trade with Seahawks for 2 firsts nets: 6/14/18
Trade with 49ers for 2 firsts nets 13/17/18

The Rams need a lot of help, package 1.6/1.14 and our third round pick to move into 1.1 and take Bradford. That leaves the Steelers with their 1.18 and 1.50 plus all the lower round picks for the rest of the draft. (I know the 1.6/1.14 and our third round doesn't add up to 3000, but it's close)

If the trade with 49ers were to materialize keep the picks and select any combination of impact players with the 3 first round selections.

The Steelers wouldn't be as bad as many think if they were to trade Ben and get draft picks. The Steeler front office has done well at evaluating 1st round talent.

Pappy

I don't think anyone was happier than I was when we drafted Ben. I jumped up and down all over the living room when they announced we picked Ben. I watched Ben at Miami of Ohio (we live about 40 miles from there) and told my son that Ben was the guy who would take the Steelers back to the Super Bowl. All we had to do was draft this guy. So, fast forward seven years....I am bitterly disappointed in this jack*** Yea, he wasn't charged, but he is obviously very lucky that he wasn't, possibly due to him paying off the "victim." If you think otherwise, you probably need to pull your head out of the "sand."

Having said that, I realize what trading Ben would do to our team in the short-term, BUT, in the long-term, if we could get Seattle's first two picks, I think it would be best for the team. Look what he has done to this board. We seem to be split 50/50 on whether Ben should stay or go. Just imagine the locker room...

[Sugar]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

I'm trying to understand why anyone thinks that the girl was "paid off." Could it have happened? Sure, but it's not likely and no my head isn't in the sand. Isn't it just as likely that the girl or her family didn't want to put themselves through a trial?

Of course, my thinking is that she did some stupid things and probably lied and didn't want that to come out in court.

I'm still stunned that so many Steeler fans are willing to take her testimony, regardless of physical evidence as having any shred of truth.

If Ben is sent packing, I'll continue to root for him anywhere he goes. I think he's a good guy and plays the game the way I like to see it played. I'll still be a Steelers fan (of course) but my respect for the organization will be reduced even more than it already has been.

[fezziwig]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

Everything points too the Rooneys letting him go. Everything except the win lose column. If Ben was less than average the Rooneys would let him go. He brings in money and championships. If Ben does one more stupid thing he will be gone before the rumor gets out.

As someone said, it would take a king ransom for the Steelers to let him go on a deal. It will take one more stupid incident for Ben to get tossed off the team.