Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

[DukieBoy]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

My hope is that Ben is kept. Hope based not on whether I believe him vs his accusers. Hope based on him changing his problem behavior patterns, now and for what remains of his football career. I believe he has behavior patterns seriously in need of change. I respect that others may believe differently, and I especially respect the opinions of long time posters who I know to be great Steeler fans and very knowledgeable. I am sorry to see the board split.

Either way, with or without Ben, I am a Steeler fan, always.

[snarky]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

My hope is that Ben is kept. Hope based not on whether I believe him vs his accusers. Hope based on him changing his problem behavior patterns, now and for what remains of his football career. I believe he has behavior patterns seriously in need of change. I respect that others may believe differently, and I especially respect the opinions of long time posters who I know to be great Steeler fans and very knowledgeable. I am sorry to see the board split.

Either way, with or without Ben, I am a Steeler fan, always.

This board being split is entirely within the control of its members. My opinion of others on this board has not and will not change based on their opinion about this situation. There is a ****load of grey area on this one and it's to be expected that people will draw different conclusions. It is possible for us to be of split opinions without being split.

[DukieBoy]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

My hope is that Ben is kept. Hope based not on whether I believe him vs his accusers. Hope based on him changing his problem behavior patterns, now and for what remains of his football career. I believe he has behavior patterns seriously in need of change. I respect that others may believe differently, and I especially respect the opinions of long time posters who I know to be great Steeler fans and very knowledgeable. I am sorry to see the board split.

Either way, with or without Ben, I am a Steeler fan, always.

This board being split is entirely within the control of its members. My opinion of others on this board has not and will not change based on their opinion about this situation. There is a ****load of grey area on this one and it's to be expected that people will draw different conclusions. It is possible for us to be of split opinions without being split.

Yes, agreed. Thank you.

[Lebsteel]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

My hope is that Ben is kept. Hope based not on whether I believe him vs his accusers. Hope based on him changing his problem behavior patterns, now and for what remains of his football career. I believe he has behavior patterns seriously in need of change. I respect that others may believe differently, and I especially respect the opinions of long time posters who I know to be great Steeler fans and very knowledgeable. I am sorry to see the board split.

Either way, with or without Ben, I am a Steeler fan, always.

This board being split is entirely within the control of its members. My opinion of others on this board has not and will not change based on their opinion about this situation. There is a ****load of grey area on this one and it's to be expected that people will draw different conclusions. It is possible for us to be of split opinions without being split.

Yes, agreed. Thank you.

Yes agreed as well. Well except for Stlrz D. He believes in little green aliens. They typed this...

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

wouldn't knwoing how long a suspension is be a key ingredient for a team wanting to trade for him on draft day... right now, its just a guess...do you think a team is gonna pull the trigger not knwoing if he is gone for (what some have predicted) half a season?

[ANPSTEEL]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

a couple responses to some ocments on the previous page.

wouldn't knwoing how long a suspension is be a key ingredient for a team wanting to trade for him on draft day... right now, its just a guess...do you think a team is gonna pull the trigger not knwoing if he is gone for (what some have predicted) half a season?

Here are my thoughts on that-

I think part of the reasoning of waiting until after the draft is

- the League has a standard they have to uphold, in respect to their image, and the equality of treatment amongst players. This likely requires Goodell to suspend Ben for a couple games- maybe 4.

- The Steelers on the other hand have no such "requirement" but do have an internal standard of behavior that they need to show is applied equally. I think it is this internal standard which would require the Steelers' organization to enforce a more strict punishment than what the League may hand down.

Why does this matter???

If Ben is traded to another team during the draft- the League can enforce their punishment- which as I suggested is likely 2-4 games... but the new team has NO such obligation to impart any further punishment- unlike the Steelers organization.

Just my thoughts-

[stlrz d]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

It's not happening. I'm willing to wager with anyone who has balls enough to back their words with cash.

Because I think most of you in the "trade him" camp are hiding behind the safety of the anonymity provided by the internet so you're able to post your holier-than-thou, moralistic opinions.

So who's gonna step up with some cash???

[Jooser]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

You mean Ceeezaaash?

[ANPSTEEL]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

It's not happening. I'm willing to wager with anyone who has balls enough to back their words with cash.

Because I think most of you in the "trade him" camp are hiding behind the safety of the anonymity provided by the internet so you're able to post your holier-than-thou, moralistic opinions.

So who's gonna step up with some cash???

get a grip man-

this has zip to do with the internet.

I was out last evening speaking with multiple people, men and women, who are Steelers fans- every single one of them wants Ben off the team.

If there is any delusion being represented here- it is on your behalf.

Now, in respect to the BET-

Are you really that emotionally imbalanced and insecure that you need to feel superior by trying wager people on something that NONE of us have any say in, or control over???

Come on- who gives a crap?

I want Ben gone- for all the reasons I, and others, have laid out. Also, I think it is quite possible- if not probable- that the Steelers want him gone.

In fact, if this were any other player on the team, I'm 100% certain - they would be gone. (Troy may be the only exception- but Troy would never be in this situation.)

You don't.

We disagree.

I hope I am right, not to prove you wrong, but because I believe it is the right thing to do- and I'm hoping that is the choice the team makes.

If I am right- I won't gloat about it, and if I'm wrong- I'll say so.

end of story-

[feltdizz]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

It's not happening. I'm willing to wager with anyone who has balls enough to back their words with cash.

Because I think most of you in the "trade him" camp are hiding behind the safety of the anonymity provided by the internet so you're able to post your holier-than-thou, moralistic opinions.

So who's gonna step up with some cash???

get a grip man-

this has zip to do with the internet.

I was out last evening speaking with multiple people, men and women, who are Steelers fans- every single one of them wants Ben off the team.

If there is any delusion being represented here- it is on your behalf.

Now, in respect to the BET-

Are you really that emotionally imbalanced and insecure that you need to feel superior by trying wager people on something that NONE of us have any say in, or control over???

Come on- who gives a crap?

I want Ben gone- for all the reasons I, and others, have laid out. Also, I think it is quite possible- if not probable- that the Steelers want him gone.

In fact, if this were any other player on the team, I'm 100% certain - they would be gone. (Troy may be the only exception- but Troy would never be in this situation.)

You don't.

We disagree.

I hope I am right, not to prove you wrong, but because I believe it is the right thing to do- and I'm hoping that is the choice the team makes.

If I am right- I won't gloat about it, and if I'm wrong- I'll say so.

end of story-



You don't.

The guy will go ape sh!t on you... be careful. Don't make him angry, You won't like him when he is angry.

[papillon]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

It's not happening. I'm willing to wager with anyone who has balls enough to back their words with cash.

Because I think most of you in the "trade him" camp are hiding behind the safety of the anonymity provided by the internet so you're able to post your holier-than-thou, moralistic opinions.

So who's gonna step up with some cash???

I don't wager and I certainly don't need the internet to tell you that Ben screwed up and is a social misfit. I'll tell you that here and I'll tell you that to your face. Ben is a fool, but an extremely gifted fool when it comes to football. He'd be a Walmart greeter if he couldn't play football.

Pappy

[stlrz d]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

It's not happening. I'm willing to wager with anyone who has balls enough to back their words with cash.

Because I think most of you in the "trade him" camp are hiding behind the safety of the anonymity provided by the internet so you're able to post your holier-than-thou, moralistic opinions.

So who's gonna step up with some cash???

get a grip man-

this has zip to do with the internet.

I was out last evening speaking with multiple people, men and women, who are Steelers fans- every single one of them wants Ben off the team.

If there is any delusion being represented here- it is on your behalf.

Now, in respect to the BET-

Are you really that emotionally imbalanced and insecure that you need to feel superior by trying wager people on something that NONE of us have any say in, or control over???

Come on- who gives a crap?

I want Ben gone- for all the reasons I, and others, have laid out. Also, I think it is quite possible- if not probable- that the Steelers want him gone.

In fact, if this were any other player on the team, I'm 100% certain - they would be gone. (Troy may be the only exception- but Troy would never be in this situation.)

You don't.

We disagree.

I hope I am right, not to prove you wrong, but because I believe it is the right thing to do- and I'm hoping that is the choice the team makes.

If I am right- I won't gloat about it, and if I'm wrong- I'll say so.

end of story-

Sounds like you were talking to a bunch of idiots. Because anyone who wants the guy off the team for something that hasn't even been substantiated is an idiot. If that includes you then no disrespect...but you're an idiot too.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

Nice pic. I remember that show. Heck, I remember Bill Bixby in "My Favorite Martian"!

Hey, about that pic - the guy in the back ... can he play center?

[AngryAsian]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

Nice pic. I remember that show. Heck, I remember Bill Bixby in "My Favorite Martian"!

Hey, about that pic - the guy in the back ... can he play center?

He wouldn't be able to hear the snap count.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

It's not happening. I'm willing to wager with anyone who has balls enough to back their words with cash.

Because I think most of you in the "trade him" camp are hiding behind the safety of the anonymity provided by the internet so you're able to post your holier-than-thou, moralistic opinions.

So who's gonna step up with some cash???

get a grip man-

this has zip to do with the internet.

I was out last evening speaking with multiple people, men and women, who are Steelers fans- every single one of them wants Ben off the team.

If there is any delusion being represented here- it is on your behalf.

Now, in respect to the BET-

Are you really that emotionally imbalanced and insecure that you need to feel superior by trying wager people on something that NONE of us have any say in, or control over???

Come on- who gives a crap?

I want Ben gone- for all the reasons I, and others, have laid out. Also, I think it is quite possible- if not probable- that the Steelers want him gone.

In fact, if this were any other player on the team, I'm 100% certain - they would be gone. (Troy may be the only exception- but Troy would never be in this situation.)

You don't.

We disagree.

I hope I am right, not to prove you wrong, but because I believe it is the right thing to do- and I'm hoping that is the choice the team makes.

If I am right- I won't gloat about it, and if I'm wrong- I'll say so.

end of story-

why isn't harrison gone?