Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

[stlrz d]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

Some additional disturbing news (or lies) about that fateful evening in Georgia:
[url]http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger1.html[/url]

Way too much to paste here, but those sorority gals are saying Ben came after the girl with his "little Ben" already out of his pants! Come on! Seriously? I doubt it, BUT if he did that, I hope we would kick his butt straight to Seattle (and get some draft picks in return)

A few things about the police report that I find interesting.

Clearly, it's written by the alleged victim, because, it's written in first person.
"I said no and then we had sex." If she was forced into sex wouldn't there be more detail about using force, his superior size, threatening her? The other thing, if it was done against her will, wouldn't she have screamed, kicked, yelled, etc?

One other thing that is noticeable about the report and I'm not sure what this means. It was written in her hand and she was a .2 BAC at the time or potentially higher and the report is legible. How can that be? BAC that high and able to write between the lines, not one sentence out of place, the chronology of the events is perfect, something is amiss.

Pappy

Some of us have been saying that for awhile now.

The story is credible; it follows the events of the evening as they have been reported. Maybe, she told the story and someone else wrote down the words, because she was too intoxicated. something being amiss could simply mean that I don't understand police protocol in a situation when the victim is intoxicated and can't write the report. It doesn't mean that I believe Ben is innocent.

Pappy

Do you believe the other side of the story is credible?

[papillon]

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[quote=stlrz d]

Some additional disturbing news (or lies) about that fateful evening in Georgia:
[url]http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger1.html[/url]

Way too much to paste here, but those sorority gals are saying Ben came after the girl with his "little Ben" already out of his pants! Come on! Seriously? I doubt it, BUT if he did that, I hope we would kick his butt straight to Seattle (and get some draft picks in return)

A few things about the police report that I find interesting.

Clearly, it's written by the alleged victim, because, it's written in first person.
"I said no and then we had sex." If she was forced into sex wouldn't there be more detail about using force, his superior size, threatening her? The other thing, if it was done against her will, wouldn't she have screamed, kicked, yelled, etc?

One other thing that is noticeable about the report and I'm not sure what this means. It was written in her hand and she was a .2 BAC at the time or potentially higher and the report is legible. How can that be? BAC that high and able to write between the lines, not one sentence out of place, the chronology of the events is perfect, something is amiss.

Pappy

Some of us have been saying that for awhile now.

The story is credible; it follows the events of the evening as they have been reported. Maybe, she told the story and someone else wrote down the words, because she was too intoxicated. something being amiss could simply mean that I don't understand police protocol in a situation when the victim is intoxicated and can't write the report. It doesn't mean that I believe Ben is innocent.

Pappy

Do you believe the other side of the story is credible?[/quote:1rf5tv1r]

What? That Ben behaved appropriately, wasn't being a rogue and didn't do anything to embarrass the Steelers? No, I don't believe that. As a matter of fact, the incident pretty much proves that Ben was behaving boorishly, to what degree is all that is in question.

I don't believe he raped the girl, she would have bruised, I don't believe he even had to force her to have sex, but he did have some sort of sex with her against her better judgment.

Continuing to believe that Ben is completely innocent and this nothing more than a money grab is naive.

Pappy

[stlrz d]

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What? That Ben behaved appropriately, wasn't being a rogue and didn't do anything to embarrass the Steelers? No, I don't believe that. As a matter of fact, the incident pretty much proves that Ben was behaving boorishly, to what degree is all that is in question.

I don't believe he raped the girl, she would have bruised, I don't believe he even had to force her to have sex, but he did have some sort of sex with her against her better judgment.

Continuing to believe that Ben is completely innocent and this nothing more than a money grab is naive.

Pappy

How so? Because the accuser's side says so?

Well Jerome Bettis says it isn't in Ben's character to behave this way and he doesn't believe Ben would do this kind of thing.

So now what?

[sd steel]

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What? That Ben behaved appropriately, wasn't being a rogue and didn't do anything to embarrass the Steelers? No, I don't believe that. As a matter of fact, the incident pretty much proves that Ben was behaving boorishly, to what degree is all that is in question.

I don't believe he raped the girl, she would have bruised, I don't believe he even had to force her to have sex, but he did have some sort of sex with her against her better judgment.

Continuing to believe that Ben is completely innocent and this nothing more than a money grab is naive.

Pappy

How so? Because the accuser's side says so?

Well Jerome Bettis says it isn't in Ben's character to behave this way and he doesn't believe Ben would do this kind of thing.

So now what?

Did Ben ever try to have sex with Jerome against his will?
Being that Ben infact said in his first statement that he had sexual contact with the girl, but it was consensual, then it comes out that he walked up to the girl with his pecker out, (you don't make that up), then she said no, and he proceded. As of the law, no means no yada yada yada. Ben raped her. I'm not saying he will be traded, but to still stand behind him and say he is completely innocent just shows how far some fans will drop their moral compass for the hope of winning another championship. The boy has issues with women.

[papillon]

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What? That Ben behaved appropriately, wasn't being a rogue and didn't do anything to embarrass the Steelers? No, I don't believe that. As a matter of fact, the incident pretty much proves that Ben was behaving boorishly, to what degree is all that is in question.

I don't believe he raped the girl, she would have bruised, I don't believe he even had to force her to have sex, but he did have some sort of sex with her against her better judgment.

Continuing to believe that Ben is completely innocent and this nothing more than a money grab is naive.

Pappy

How so? Because the accuser's side says so?

Well Jerome Bettis says it isn't in Ben's character to behave this way and he doesn't believe Ben would do this kind of thing.

So now what?

You got me, Ben did nothing wrong that night, as a matter of fact, I recommend that he continue to behave in this fashion when he's in public, it's good for his image. He's innocent, no one believes the drunken sorority whore and her friends.

The Rooneys believe he needs to change, the DA believes he needs to change and Hines Ward wishes the event that never happened (according to you) never happened, he's innocent, clearly these people are too stupid to see Ben's innocence and little boy charm.

Just in case you didn't know, Ben hasn't denied the incident. If he were completely faultless in this case don't you think he would letting everyone know that none of the "alleged" incident happened? He's remained closed mouthed except for the ridiculous 90 second statement where he looked like a homeless bum from the inner city of Pittsburgh.

Pappy

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

Some additional disturbing news (or lies) about that fateful evening in Georgia:
[url]http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger1.html[/url]

Way too much to paste here, but those sorority gals are saying Ben came after the girl with his "little Ben" already out of his pants! Come on! Seriously? I doubt it, BUT if he did that, I hope we would kick his butt straight to Seattle (and get some draft picks in return)

A few things about the police report that I find interesting.

Clearly, it's written by the alleged victim, because, it's written in first person.
"I said no and then we had sex." If she was forced into sex wouldn't there be more detail about using force, his superior size, threatening her? The other thing, if it was done against her will, wouldn't she have screamed, kicked, yelled, etc?

One other thing that is noticeable about the report and I'm not sure what this means. It was written in her hand and she was a .2 BAC at the time or potentially higher and the report is legible. How can that be? BAC that high and able to write between the lines, not one sentence out of place, the chronology of the events is perfect, something is amiss.

Pappy

Pillon - read a little further - she wrote two statements. The one you saw with the perfect handwriting was written the next day/later in the day after she sobered up. The one she wrote right away is a few pages farther along - it looks JUST like one would expect a 0.2% hand-written essay to look - all over the page, words/sentences messed up, etc.

[SteelCzar76]

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'For the immortal gods are accustomed at times to grant favorable circumstances and long impunity to those that they wish to punish for their crime, so that they may smart all the the more severely from a change of fortune.'

And i honestly hope that for the sake of Honor and heaven,.. your hero,...is actually innocent.

[NJ-STEELER]

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At the same time, one person in Mr. Roethlisberger's entourage, Mr. Colon, told police that the accuser repeatedly tried to get the quarterback's attention at a bar earlier in the evening, pinched Mr. Roethlisberger and, along with others in her party, wore a sexually suggestive nametag.
Mr. Colon said the woman asked him if he knew what her "DTF" nametag meant. She said it was a crude acronym for wanting to have sex.


[url="http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg/10106/1050861-66.stm"]http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg ... 861-66.stm[/url]

thats sexual assault. no? ben should file a complaint

[grotonsteel]

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At the same time, one person in Mr. Roethlisberger's entourage, Mr. Colon, told police that the accuser repeatedly tried to get the quarterback's attention at a bar earlier in the evening, pinched Mr. Roethlisberger and, along with others in her party, wore a sexually suggestive nametag.
Mr. Colon said the woman asked him if he knew what her "DTF" nametag meant. She said it was a crude acronym for wanting to have sex.


[url="http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg/10106/1050861-66.stm"]http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg ... 861-66.stm[/url]

thats sexual assault. no? ben should file a complaint

Lets see what does Moral police on this board have to say about it.

People on this board are crucifying Big Ben based on a statement of a 20 year old drunk sorority girl??? You got to be kidding me.

[papillon]

Re: Sorry Folks But Ben is Gone...

Some additional disturbing news (or lies) about that fateful evening in Georgia:
[url]http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger1.html[/url]

Way too much to paste here, but those sorority gals are saying Ben came after the girl with his "little Ben" already out of his pants! Come on! Seriously? I doubt it, BUT if he did that, I hope we would kick his butt straight to Seattle (and get some draft picks in return)

A few things about the police report that I find interesting.

Clearly, it's written by the alleged victim, because, it's written in first person.
"I said no and then we had sex." If she was forced into sex wouldn't there be more detail about using force, his superior size, threatening her? The other thing, if it was done against her will, wouldn't she have screamed, kicked, yelled, etc?

One other thing that is noticeable about the report and I'm not sure what this means. It was written in her hand and she was a .2 BAC at the time or potentially higher and the report is legible. How can that be? BAC that high and able to write between the lines, not one sentence out of place, the chronology of the events is perfect, something is amiss.

Pappy

Pillon - read a little further - she wrote two statements. The one you saw with the perfect handwriting was written the next day/later in the day after she sobered up. The one she wrote right away is a few pages farther along - it looks JUST like one would expect a 0.2% hand-written essay to look - all over the page, words/sentences messed up, etc.

SASF,

Thanks for the find that makes much more sense. It still doesn't excuse his grotesque behavior that night. Ben behaved poorly and will not be tried by a jury (that's good), but he needs to clean up his act.

It gets tiresome listening to those trying to square this as Ben being innocent and this girl completely at fault. If I were her friends and family I'd be asking her "What the hell were you thinking?" She could use a bit of counseling about proper behavior in public as well.

She isn't a prim and proper socialite to be sure and hopefully this was a wake up call for her.

Pappy

[JAR]

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[quote=sd steel][quote="stlrz d":2ntgnvig][quote=papillon]

What? That Ben behaved appropriately, wasn't being a rogue and didn't do anything to embarrass the Steelers? No, I don't believe that. [color=#FF0000]As a matter of fact, the incident pretty much proves that Ben was behaving boorishly[/color], to what degree is all that is in question.

I don't believe he raped the girl, she would have bruised, I don't believe he even had to force her to have sex, but he did have some sort of sex with her against her better judgment.

Continuing to believe that Ben is completely innocent and this nothing more than a money grab is naive.

Pappy[/quote]

How so? Because the accuser's side says so?

Well Jerome Bettis says it isn't in Ben's character to behave this way and he doesn't believe Ben would do this kind of thing.

So now what?[/quote]
Did Ben ever try to have sex with Jerome against his will?
Being that Ben infact said in his first statement that he had sexual contact with the girl, but it was consensual, then it comes out that he walked up to the girl with his pecker out, (you don't make that up), then she said no, and he proceded. As of the law, no means no yada yada yada. Ben raped her. I'm not saying he will be traded, but to still stand behind him and say he is completely innocent just shows how far some fans will drop their moral compass for the hope of winning another championship. The boy has issues with women.[/quote:2ntgnvig]


Fot the 1,293,327th time, BEN NEVER said he had SEXUAL contact with the DTFer!

Sources told KDKA Roethlisberger said he had contact with the woman that was not consummated and afterward she slipped and fell, injuring her head.

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4984207"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4984207[/url]

[steelblood]

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What? That Ben behaved appropriately, wasn't being a rogue and didn't do anything to embarrass the Steelers? No, I don't believe that. As a matter of fact, the incident pretty much proves that Ben was behaving boorishly, to what degree is all that is in question.

I don't believe he raped the girl, she would have bruised, I don't believe he even had to force her to have sex, but he did have some sort of sex with her against her better judgment.

Continuing to believe that Ben is completely innocent and this nothing more than a money grab is naive.

Pappy

How so? Because the accuser's side says so?

Well Jerome Bettis says it isn't in Ben's character to behave this way and he doesn't believe Ben would do this kind of thing.

So now what?

You got me, Ben did nothing wrong that night, as a matter of fact, I recommend that he continue to behave in this fashion when he's in public, it's good for his image. He's innocent, no one believes the drunken sorority whore and her friends.

The Rooneys believe he needs to change, the DA believes he needs to change and Hines Ward wishes the event that never happened (according to you) never happened, he's innocent, clearly these people are too stupid to see Ben's innocence and little boy charm.

Just in case you didn't know, Ben hasn't denied the incident. If he were completely faultless in this case don't you think he would letting everyone know that none of the "alleged" incident happened? He's remained closed mouthed except for the ridiculous 90 second statement where he looked like a homeless bum from the inner city of Pittsburgh.

Pappy

Hey! He could have been a homeless person from any Midwestern City! Leave the 'Burgh out of your rants! The 'Burgh may be smelly, but it dresses nicely and is respectful of women.

[Ghost]

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Legally speaking, Ben IS innocent. Not debatable.

But I am curious - for those of you thinking he wasn't even acting stupidly, immature, insert what ever word works for you, then why was he called to NY by the Comissioner who's said he's disappointed? Why have the Rooney's held a press conference to talk about coordinating punishment with the NFL. That ben hasn't acted theway they expect a Steeler to act? None of which happened in the first case.

I really don't see how you can say he did not act with poor judgement when everyone else in the world thinks he has - including the two most important people as far as football goes - his owner (which we all recognize as being a great owner - is he wrong this time) and the head of the NFL.

[Oviedo]

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The media is only releasing details of one side here which is extremely unprofessional on their part but it is what is giving the story legs. Has any news sources quoted anyone in Ben's group or any of their statements? No because it isn't titalating enough.

Keep in mind that when you read this you are being quoted the statements of "sorority sisters." Living 1.5 miles from a major university and with a daughter of my own going to that university I promise you sorority sisters will lie, cheat and steal to protect each other in a heartbeat. I can tell you of "sisters" hiding evidence of drug and alcohol use from campus police. I can tell you stories of how the girls get stories straight against boys if something goes wrong on a date. If you don't think that they all got together to get their stories straight (primarily because they were all underage drinking) then you are naive. If you don't think they exaggerated elements of their stories to protect or support their "sister" you are naive.

Did something unsavory go on that night. Probably. Did Ben put himself in a terrible position? Absolutely. But don't think for a second that this wasn't two consenting adults making terrible decisions and there is plenty of fault on both sides.

You are just hearing one side because it implicates a stupid, immature star athlete but don't think for a second that little "Miss Georgia" doesn't have her fingerprints all over this incident.

[stlrz d]

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[quote=JAR][quote=sd steel][quote="stlrz d":10z92scx][quote=papillon]

What? That Ben behaved appropriately, wasn't being a rogue and didn't do anything to embarrass the Steelers? No, I don't believe that. [color=#FF0000]As a matter of fact, the incident pretty much proves that Ben was behaving boorishly[/color], to what degree is all that is in question.

I don't believe he raped the girl, she would have bruised, I don't believe he even had to force her to have sex, but he did have some sort of sex with her against her better judgment.

Continuing to believe that Ben is completely innocent and this nothing more than a money grab is naive.

Pappy[/quote]

How so? Because the accuser's side says so?

Well Jerome Bettis says it isn't in Ben's character to behave this way and he doesn't believe Ben would do this kind of thing.

So now what?[/quote]
Did Ben ever try to have sex with Jerome against his will?
Being that Ben infact said in his first statement that he had sexual contact with the girl, but it was consensual, then it comes out that he walked up to the girl with his pecker out, (you don't make that up), then she said no, and he proceded. As of the law, no means no yada yada yada. Ben raped her. I'm not saying he will be traded, but to still stand behind him and say he is completely innocent just shows how far some fans will drop their moral compass for the hope of winning another championship. The boy has issues with women.[/quote]


Fot the 1,293,327th time, BEN NEVER said he had SEXUAL contact with the DTFer!

Sources told KDKA Roethlisberger said he had contact with the woman that was not consummated and afterward she slipped and fell, injuring her head.

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4984207"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4984207[/url][/quote:10z92scx]

Just forget it. People are going to believe what they want to believe. One bozo said that there's no way someone just makes up a story that Ben was walking around with his junk out so there's no doubt he raped her. Don't mind the fact that when she was asked if she was raped she replied, "No". Oh...it's the same bozo that you're correcting here...never mind.

Pap - the point I was trying to make is that people are taking what they read from the accuser's side as the gospel while completely ignoring anything that is coming from Ben's side. That's all. I'm just saying it's a shame people are so quick to believe these horrible things about Ben without even knowing for sure what actually did take place...yet they refuse to believe anything from his side. Don't you find that the least bit troubling?