Bad News for Harrison and Woodley

[Jom112]

Re: Bad News for Harrison and Woodley

Nice effort! Now, are you telling me that some of these bad calls qualify as the most memorable (definition- average football fan on the street could actually remember them) horrible calls of all time? Please!

- OT Steelers Detroit Bettis/coin flip is up there with the tuck rule as one of the most cited controversial calls by announcers week in and out. They changed the way it is done because of that. THAT ONE IS IN THE TOP TEN
- The Steelers San Diego "steal a TD" fiasco this season - That bad call caused a huge uproar and screwed tons of people. That one would probably make it ahead of a couple from your top 10.
- Bill Cowher stuffing a pic in the refs shirt on the 12 men on the field call. The announcers bring that one up ALL THE TIME.

If nobody still talks about them week in and out, then they shouldn't qualify. At a minimum, you should have THREE Steelers games in your top ten.

And BTW, back to this season, are you telling me that when no opponent earns a holding call 8 or 9 games IN A ROW against the BEST DEFENSE IN THE NFL (while the Steelers get called for it every week), that something doesn't smell funny? Anomalies happen for one or two games here and there, but not for half a season straight! If you wish to label me a whiner and make it stick, please cite another comparable extended streak that happened to another team.

You can't...

The Polamalu TD against the Chargers should be in the top ten? Even you have to admit that is just being a homer. The only reason it's even mentioned is because of the gambling aspects, nothing to do with the outcome of the game. The first down call you guys got against the Ravens had a bigger impact on the game. Which I don't see you crying about, probably because it helped the Steelers.

As for the holding, like I said I see Ike and BMac always having their hands on receivers after 5 yards but they don't get called that much. The refs let them play. You can't honestly sit there and say that they are not physical corners who are all over receivers? So if you want the holding call on Harrison and Woodley every game then are you going to start whining if Ike and BMac get called for PI every game?

[steelnavy]

Re: Bad News for Harrison and Woodley

Nice effort! Now, are you telling me that some of these bad calls qualify as the most memorable (definition- average football fan on the street could actually remember them) horrible calls of all time? Please!

- OT Steelers Detroit Bettis/coin flip is up there with the tuck rule as one of the most cited controversial calls by announcers week in and out. They changed the way it is done because of that. THAT ONE IS IN THE TOP TEN
- The Steelers San Diego "steal a TD" fiasco this season - That bad call caused a huge uproar and screwed tons of people. That one would probably make it ahead of a couple from your top 10.
- Bill Cowher stuffing a pic in the refs shirt on the 12 men on the field call. The announcers bring that one up ALL THE TIME.

If nobody still talks about them week in and out, then they shouldn't qualify. At a minimum, you should have THREE Steelers games in your top ten.

And BTW, back to this season, are you telling me that when no opponent earns a holding call 8 or 9 games IN A ROW against the BEST DEFENSE IN THE NFL (while the Steelers get called for it every week), that something doesn't smell funny? Anomalies happen for one or two games here and there, but not for half a season straight! If you wish to label me a whiner and make it stick, please cite another comparable extended streak that happened to another team.

You can't...

The Polamalu TD against the Chargers should be in the top ten? Even you have to admit that is just being a homer. The only reason it's even mentioned is because of the gambling aspects, nothing to do with the outcome of the game. The first down call you guys got against the Ravens had a bigger impact on the game. Which I don't see you crying about, probably because it helped the Steelers.

As for the holding, like I said I see Ike and BMac always having their hands on receivers after 5 yards but they don't get called that much. The refs let them play. You can't honestly sit there and say that they are not physical corners who are all over receivers? So if you want the holding call on Harrison and Woodley every game then are you going to start whining if Ike and BMac get called for PI every game?

First of all, NOBODY is arguing about corners holding. If you are going to try and state that the Steeler corners hold more than other teams, thats a different topic and you need to bring some evidence to the table. You are the FIRST person to make that statement all season.

But back to my earlier question: Are you telling me that when no opponent earns a holding call 8 or 9 games IN A ROW against the BEST DEFENSE IN THE NFL (while the Steelers get called for it every week), that something doesn't smell funny?

Please provide a relevant response to THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT without citing ONE game when you insinuate that our corners were allowed to hold receivers while the opponent's corners were not. HOW DO EXPLAIN THIS HUGE ANOMALIE that spans over half the season?


And I think Troy's overturned TD against San Diego should make the top 10 over a few of yours because even though it didnt change the outcome of the game, it was very controversial and MOST MEMORABLE by fans. Five years from now, how many fans will still remember when the refs screwed thousands of gamblers vs a couple of yours that few remember already?

[steelnavy]

Re: Bad News for Harrison and Woodley

Nice effort! Now, are you telling me that some of these bad calls qualify as the most memorable (definition- average football fan on the street could actually remember them) horrible calls of all time? Please!

- OT Steelers Detroit Bettis/coin flip is up there with the tuck rule as one of the most cited controversial calls by announcers week in and out. They changed the way it is done because of that. THAT ONE IS IN THE TOP TEN
- The Steelers San Diego "steal a TD" fiasco this season - That bad call caused a huge uproar and screwed tons of people. That one would probably make it ahead of a couple from your top 10.
- Bill Cowher stuffing a pic in the refs shirt on the 12 men on the field call. The announcers bring that one up ALL THE TIME.

If nobody still talks about them week in and out, then they shouldn't qualify. At a minimum, you should have THREE Steelers games in your top ten.

And BTW, back to this season, are you telling me that when no opponent earns a holding call 8 or 9 games IN A ROW against the BEST DEFENSE IN THE NFL (while the Steelers get called for it every week), that something doesn't smell funny? Anomalies happen for one or two games here and there, but not for half a season straight! If you wish to label me a whiner and make it stick, please cite another comparable extended streak that happened to another team.

You can't...

The Polamalu TD against the Chargers should be in the top ten? Even you have to admit that is just being a homer. The only reason it's even mentioned is because of the gambling aspects, nothing to do with the outcome of the game. The first down call you guys got against the Ravens had a bigger impact on the game. Which I don't see you crying about, probably because it helped the Steelers.

As for the holding, like I said I see Ike and BMac always having their hands on receivers after 5 yards but they don't get called that much. The refs let them play. You can't honestly sit there and say that they are not physical corners who are all over receivers? So if you want the holding call on Harrison and Woodley every game then are you going to start whining if Ike and BMac get called for PI every game?

First of all, NOBODY is arguing about corners holding. If you are going to try and state that the Steeler corners hold more than other teams, thats a different topic and you need to bring some evidence to the table. You are the FIRST person to make that statement all season.

But back to my earlier question: Are you telling me that when no opponent earns a holding call 8 or 9 games IN A ROW against the BEST DEFENSE IN THE NFL (while the Steelers get called for it every week), that something doesn't smell funny?

Please provide a relevant response to THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT without citing ONE game when you insinuate that our corners were allowed to hold receivers while the opponent's corners were not. HOW DO EXPLAIN THIS HUGE ANOMALIE that spans over half the season?


And I think Troy's overturned TD against San Diego should make the top 10 over a few of yours because even though it didnt change the outcome of the game, it was very controversial and MOST MEMORABLE by fans. Five years from now, how many fans will still remember when the refs screwed thousands of gamblers vs a couple of yours that few remember already?

Hmm. I guess the lack of response means that I have a valid point and might not be just whining...

[Jom112]

Re: Bad News for Harrison and Woodley

Hmm. I guess the lack of response means that I have a valid point and might not be just whining...

No it means there is no point arguing with someone that only wants to hear what he wants to hear.

I'll try one last time. I'm not saying there are no unfair calls going against the Steelers. I'm saying it's cyclical and that it happens to all teams. Here is a good article from last season about penalties:

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=3102510"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/s ... id=3102510[/url]

My favorite is this quote:

Seattle and San Diego own the least-penalized offensive lines since 2004, with 86 penalties apiece. The Steelers, Jets and Patriots aren't far behind, ranging from 90 to 92. Those teams claimed nine division titles over the past three seasons.

Weren't you complaining that your O-Line gets called for holding all the time, yet it's never called against you? According to the article you had one of the least penalized O-Line's in football last season and over the last 3 seasons.

Here's your quote:

Are you telling me that when no opponent earns a holding call 8 or 9 games IN A ROW against the BEST DEFENSE IN THE NFL (while the Steelers get called for it every week), that something doesn't smell funny?

You notice Steelers anywhere on the wrong end in that article of ACTUAL facts? Yeah a few calls might stand out to you, but over the course of a season you guys don't have it that bad. Now quit your whining...

[steelnavy]

Re: Bad News for Harrison and Woodley

Hmm. I guess the lack of response means that I have a valid point and might not be just whining...

No it means there is no point arguing with someone that only wants to hear what he wants to hear.

I'll try one last time. I'm not saying there are no unfair calls going against the Steelers. I'm saying it's cyclical and that it happens to all teams. Here is a good article from last season about penalties:

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=3102510"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/s ... id=3102510[/url]

My favorite is this quote:

Seattle and San Diego own the least-penalized offensive lines since 2004, with 86 penalties apiece. The Steelers, Jets and Patriots aren't far behind, ranging from 90 to 92. Those teams claimed nine division titles over the past three seasons.

Weren't you complaining that your O-Line gets called for holding all the time, yet it's never called against you? According to the article you had one of the least penalized O-Line's in football last season and over the last 3 seasons.

Here's your quote:

Are you telling me that when no opponent earns a holding call 8 or 9 games IN A ROW against the BEST DEFENSE IN THE NFL (while the Steelers get called for it every week), that something doesn't smell funny?

You notice Steelers anywhere on the wrong end in that article of ACTUAL facts? Yeah a few calls might stand out to you, but over the course of a season you guys don't have it that bad. Now quit your whining...

I'll try one last time. I'm not saying there are no unfair calls going against the Steelers. I'm saying it's cyclical and that it happens to all teams. Here is a good article from last season about penalties:

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=3102510"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/s ... id=3102510[/url]

What does that article have to do with this debate?!? Other than the fact that the subject is about penalties?

Weren't you complaining that your O-Line gets called for holding all the time, yet it's never called against you? According to the article you had one of the least penalized O-Line's in football last season and over the last 3 seasons.

Again, your response does not answer the point I am trying to make. Who cares if they were one of the least penalized offenses for THE LAST THREE YEARS?!? DID THEY GO 9 GAMES STRAIGHT WITHOUT A HOLDING PENALTY WHILE THE OTHER TEAMS GOT CALLED WEEK IN AND OUT?!? When discussing the Steelers O line, it wasnt necessarily about the amount of holding calls against the Steelers, but the fact that the other team wasnt GETTING CALLED FOR ANY HOLDING OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF THE SEASON, EVEN THOUGH THEIR HOLDING WAS BEYOND BLATANT. Some people are chalking it up to the league operating under looser rules to increase offensive output. If that was the case, then BOTH teams should have had less holding calls, NOT JUST THE OPPONENT FOR 9 weeks straight! That is the point I am trying to make. I UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS OCCUR CYCLICALLY. But plot all games and penalties THIS SEASON on a graph and you would most likely find an anomalie so large that it is statistically impossible for it to have happened RANDOMLY.

Seriously, try to concentrate on the SPECIFIC topic which I WILL REPEAT FOR YOU ONE MORE TIME.

9 games straight
Steelers get called for holding EVERY TIME
Opponent gets called for holding NONE OF THE TIME.
SERIOUS STATISTICAL IMPROBABILITY

And BTW, bet Harrison has a sack-a-palooza this weekend now that he won DPOY and everyone will be paying attention to him. Now the refs will have to call all the blatant holds they have been ignoring all season.

Prediction: San Diego gets called for holding at least three times this weekend, which probably hasn't happened to a Steeler's opponent yet this year.

[Jom112]

Re: Bad News for Harrison and Woodley

9 games straight
Steelers get called for holding EVERY TIME
Opponent gets called for holding NONE OF THE TIME.
SERIOUS STATISTICAL IMPROBABILITY

1. It wasn't 9 games, it was 6 games.

2. Penalties were down this NFL season, league wide:

[url="http://www.knowyourdallascowboys.com/2008/12/27/penalties-are-down-in-the-nfl-but-not-in-dallas/"]http://www.knowyourdallascowboys.com/20 ... in-dallas/[/url]

(Not the best source but it's penalties we are talking about)

3. Let's review your whole season:

Week 1: Pit vs. Hou

1. (6:55) 8-M.Schaub pass short left INTERCEPTED by 43-T.Polamalu at HOU 32. 43-T.Polamalu to HOU 32 for no gain (80-A.Johnson). Penalty on HOU-69-C.Pitts, Offensive Holding, declined.

Week 2: Pit vs. Cleveland

No holding

Week 3: Pit vs. Philly

2. (11:11) 5-D.McNabb pass incomplete short left to 29-T.Hunt. PENALTY on PHI-72-T.Thomas, Offensive Holding, 12 yards, enforced at PIT 35 - No Play.

3. (11:3 (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass short left to 25-L.Booker to PHI 38 for 1 yard (92-J.Harrison). PENALTY on PHI-79-T.Herremans, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PHI 38.

(There was a special teams holding call on Philly as well but I left that out since it doesn't match your narrow criteria)

Week 4: Pit vs. Balt

4. (4:27) 5-J.Flacco pass short left to 33-L.McClain to PIT 42 for 7 yards (51-J.Farrior). PENALTY on BAL-86-T.Heap, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PIT 49 - No Play.

(Another game with ST holding but won't count it)

Week 5: Pit vs. Jags

5. (11:54) (Shotgun) 9-D.Garrard pass short left to 89-M.Lewis to PIT 27 for 9 yards (92-J.Harrison; 24-I.Taylor). PENALTY on JAC-79-T.Pashos, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PIT 36 - No Play.

6. (:13) 28-F.Taylor up the middle to PIT 34 for -1 yards (96-O.Roye). PENALTY on JAC-69-K.Barnes, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PIT 33 - No Play.

(Another game with ST holding but won't count it)

Week 6: Bye Week

Week 7: Pit vs. Bengals

7. (2:24) 11-R.Fitzpatrick scrambles left end to CIN 39 for 7 yards (99-B.Keisel). PENALTY on CIN-86-D.Coats, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at CIN 32 - No Play.

Also this game was 38-10 and you guys only had 3 penalties for 15 yards. I'm thinking the refs just let the players play because it was a blowout but you still got a holding call.

Week 8: Pit vs. Giants

8. (11:23) (Shotgun) 34-D.Ward right guard to NYG 32 for 15 yards (25-R.Clark). PENALTY on NYG-89-K.Boss, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at NYG 22.

(Another game with ST holding but won't count it)

Week 9: Pit vs. Skins

9. (11:53) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell sacked at WAS 18 for -11 yards (92-J.Harrison). Penalty on WAS-60-C.Samuels, Offensive Holding, declined.

10. (6:51) 26-C.Portis right end to WAS 36 for 1 yard (99-B.Keisel, 56-L.Woodley). PENALTY on WAS-61-C.Rabach, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at WAS 35 - No Play.

11. (3:51) 17-J.Campbell pass short left intended for 26-C.Portis INTERCEPTED by 26-D.Townsend [76-C.Hoke] at PIT 21. 26-D.Townsend to PIT 21 for no gain (26-C.Portis). FUMBLES (26-C.Portis), and recovers at PIT 23. 26-D.Townsend to PIT 23 for no gain (61-C.Rabach). Penalty on WAS-60-C.Samuels, Offensive Holding,declined. Washington challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout #1 at 03:41.)

12. (11:17) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete deep left to 11-D.Thomas. PENALTY on WAS-60-C.Samuels, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PIT 38 - No Play.

Week 10: Pit vs. Indy

Only one special teams hold.

You didn't get any holding calls against Indy because they are one of the least penalized teams in the NFL when it comes to holding.

Week 11: Pit vs. SD

No holds, but again you're going up against one of the least penalized O-Lines in the last 4 years.

Week 12: Pit vs. Bengals

No holding, but you guys dominated the Time of possession in this game. All of our drives were basically 3 and outs.

We had 12 total drives, 7 of them were only 3 plays. 1 was 4 plays and another was 5 plays. How can we be called for holding if we don't have the ball?

Week 13: Pit vs. NE

2 special teams holding calls but that was it.

No holds, but you went up against a team on a HISTORICAL rate of the least amount of penalites in one season. Refs didn't call anything on NE all season.

Week 14: Pit vs. Dallas

No holds, but did you check out the box score on Penalites? You guys only had 2 penalites called for 10 yards. Refs weren't calling penalites on either team in this game.

Week 15: Pit vs. Balt

No holds, but this is the infamous Santonio Holmes TD game. The TD call was fine but that first down call you guys had eariler in the game was complete BS. I don't think you can complain the refs were against you in this game.

Week 16: Pit vs. Tenn.

13. (10:52) 28-C.Johnson right guard to 50 for 7 yards (43-T.Polamalu, 20-B.McFadden). PENALTY on TEN-80-B.Scaife, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at TEN 43 - No Play.

2 special teams holding penalites against Tenn as well.

Week 17: Pit vs. Cleveland

14. (3:22) #79 Young reports as eligible receiver. 35-J.Harrison right end pushed ob at CLE 25 for 2 yards (22-W.Gay). PENALTY on CLE-79-S.Young, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at CLE 23 - No Play.

15. (14:20) (Shotgun) 16-J.Cribbs left end to CLE 26 for 3 yards. Direct snap to #16 Cribbs. PENALTY on CLE-79-S.Young, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at CLE 23 - No Play.

I count 15 holding penalites in 16 games. That is what you consider a "SERIOUS STATISTICAL IMPROBABILITY"? The Pittsburgh Gazzette has to sell papers so they write some crap, you're just whining. Get over it.

Three of the teams as I stated earlier are three teams that are the least called for holding Indy, SD and NE.

[url="http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/smarterstats/2008/12/penalties-for-potential-playoff-teams.html"]http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleag ... teams.html[/url]

Offensive Holding (Fewest)
PHI - 12
SD - 10
ARI - 10
IND - 9
NE - 9

Receiver Sam Aiken has three of New England's holds, and they're all on special teams. New England's offensive line has been called for a total of four holds all year, an incredible number.

NOW STOP WHINING...

[steelnavy]

Re: Bad News for Harrison and Woodley

9 games straight
Steelers get called for holding EVERY TIME
Opponent gets called for holding NONE OF THE TIME.
SERIOUS STATISTICAL IMPROBABILITY

1. It wasn't 9 games, it was 6 games.

2. Penalties were down this NFL season, league wide:

[url="http://www.knowyourdallascowboys.com/2008/12/27/penalties-are-down-in-the-nfl-but-not-in-dallas/"]http://www.knowyourdallascowboys.com/20 ... in-dallas/[/url]

(Not the best source but it's penalties we are talking about)

3. Let's review your whole season:

Week 1: Pit vs. Hou

1. (6:55) 8-M.Schaub pass short left INTERCEPTED by 43-T.Polamalu at HOU 32. 43-T.Polamalu to HOU 32 for no gain (80-A.Johnson). Penalty on HOU-69-C.Pitts, Offensive Holding, declined.

Week 2: Pit vs. Cleveland

No holding

Week 3: Pit vs. Philly

2. (11:11) 5-D.McNabb pass incomplete short left to 29-T.Hunt. PENALTY on PHI-72-T.Thomas, Offensive Holding, 12 yards, enforced at PIT 35 - No Play.

3. (11:3 (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass short left to 25-L.Booker to PHI 38 for 1 yard (92-J.Harrison). PENALTY on PHI-79-T.Herremans, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PHI 38.

(There was a special teams holding call on Philly as well but I left that out since it doesn't match your narrow criteria)

Week 4: Pit vs. Balt

4. (4:27) 5-J.Flacco pass short left to 33-L.McClain to PIT 42 for 7 yards (51-J.Farrior). PENALTY on BAL-86-T.Heap, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PIT 49 - No Play.

(Another game with ST holding but won't count it)

Week 5: Pit vs. Jags

5. (11:54) (Shotgun) 9-D.Garrard pass short left to 89-M.Lewis to PIT 27 for 9 yards (92-J.Harrison; 24-I.Taylor). PENALTY on JAC-79-T.Pashos, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PIT 36 - No Play.

6. (:13) 28-F.Taylor up the middle to PIT 34 for -1 yards (96-O.Roye). PENALTY on JAC-69-K.Barnes, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PIT 33 - No Play.

(Another game with ST holding but won't count it)

Week 6: Bye Week

Week 7: Pit vs. Bengals

7. (2:24) 11-R.Fitzpatrick scrambles left end to CIN 39 for 7 yards (99-B.Keisel). PENALTY on CIN-86-D.Coats, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at CIN 32 - No Play.

Also this game was 38-10 and you guys only had 3 penalties for 15 yards. I'm thinking the refs just let the players play because it was a blowout but you still got a holding call.

Week 8: Pit vs. Giants

8. (11:23) (Shotgun) 34-D.Ward right guard to NYG 32 for 15 yards (25-R.Clark). PENALTY on NYG-89-K.Boss, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at NYG 22.

(Another game with ST holding but won't count it)

Week 9: Pit vs. Skins

9. (11:53) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell sacked at WAS 18 for -11 yards (92-J.Harrison). Penalty on WAS-60-C.Samuels, Offensive Holding, declined.

10. (6:51) 26-C.Portis right end to WAS 36 for 1 yard (99-B.Keisel, 56-L.Woodley). PENALTY on WAS-61-C.Rabach, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at WAS 35 - No Play.

11. (3:51) 17-J.Campbell pass short left intended for 26-C.Portis INTERCEPTED by 26-D.Townsend [76-C.Hoke] at PIT 21. 26-D.Townsend to PIT 21 for no gain (26-C.Portis). FUMBLES (26-C.Portis), and recovers at PIT 23. 26-D.Townsend to PIT 23 for no gain (61-C.Rabach). Penalty on WAS-60-C.Samuels, Offensive Holding,declined. Washington challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout #1 at 03:41.)

12. (11:17) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete deep left to 11-D.Thomas. PENALTY on WAS-60-C.Samuels, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PIT 38 - No Play.

Week 10: Pit vs. Indy

Only one special teams hold.

You didn't get any holding calls against Indy because they are one of the least penalized teams in the NFL when it comes to holding.

Week 11: Pit vs. SD

No holds, but again you're going up against one of the least penalized O-Lines in the last 4 years.

Week 12: Pit vs. Bengals

No holding, but you guys dominated the Time of possession in this game. All of our drives were basically 3 and outs.

We had 12 total drives, 7 of them were only 3 plays. 1 was 4 plays and another was 5 plays. How can we be called for holding if we don't have the ball?

Week 13: Pit vs. NE

2 special teams holding calls but that was it.

No holds, but you went up against a team on a HISTORICAL rate of the least amount of penalites in one season. Refs didn't call anything on NE all season.

Week 14: Pit vs. Dallas

No holds, but did you check out the box score on Penalites? You guys only had 2 penalites called for 10 yards. Refs weren't calling penalites on either team in this game.

Week 15: Pit vs. Balt

No holds, but this is the infamous Santonio Holmes TD game. The TD call was fine but that first down call you guys had eariler in the game was complete BS. I don't think you can complain the refs were against you in this game.

Week 16: Pit vs. Tenn.

13. (10:52) 28-C.Johnson right guard to 50 for 7 yards (43-T.Polamalu, 20-B.McFadden). PENALTY on TEN-80-B.Scaife, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at TEN 43 - No Play.

2 special teams holding penalites against Tenn as well.

Week 17: Pit vs. Cleveland

14. (3:22) #79 Young reports as eligible receiver. 35-J.Harrison right end pushed ob at CLE 25 for 2 yards (22-W.Gay). PENALTY on CLE-79-S.Young, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at CLE 23 - No Play.

15. (14:20) (Shotgun) 16-J.Cribbs left end to CLE 26 for 3 yards. Direct snap to #16 Cribbs. PENALTY on CLE-79-S.Young, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at CLE 23 - No Play.

I count 15 holding penalites in 16 games. That is what you consider a "SERIOUS STATISTICAL IMPROBABILITY"? The Pittsburgh Gazzette has to sell papers so they write some crap, you're just whining. Get over it.

Three of the teams as I stated earlier are three teams that are the least called for holding Indy, SD and NE.

[url="http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/smarterstats/2008/12/penalties-for-potential-playoff-teams.html"]http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleag ... teams.html[/url]

Offensive Holding (Fewest)
PHI - 12
SD - 10
ARI - 10
IND - 9
NE - 9


Receiver Sam Aiken has three of New England's holds, and they're all on special teams. New England's offensive line has been called for a total of four holds all year, an incredible number.

NOW STOP WHINING...

Finally, a worthy response!

1. It wasn't 9 games, it was 6 games.

Very well, glad you could find the statistics for holding this season. I posted on here a couple of months ago asking if anyone knew where to find them (after a few hours of looking myself) and got crickets. The 9 games was based solely on my flawed memory.

Offensive Holding (Fewest)
PHI - 12
SD - 10
ARI - 10
IND - 9
NE - 9

The only low penalty teams relevant to this discussion are SD, IND and NE as the premise of the argument is about a SIX (per your correction) week string of holding calls for and against the Steelers (and while 9 games sounds like a slam dunk, 6 games is still nothing to sneeze at). And not just about more versus less, but more versus NONE. Of those three teams, it could be argued that their holding penalty numbers are so low because the refs failed to call BLATANT holding calls during those games.


Other than the six game streak, the holding penalties fall out in a random manner throughout the season. While the Steelers did not go through any abnormal streaks of CAUSING holding penalties, they definitely saw an abnormal streak of NO HOLDING penalties against them. Understanding that refs cannot catch it every time, their lack of ability to "see" the most blatant, neck wrenching, back riding, double teaming choke hold take downs during this streak is a little beyond believable. Missing those calls every once in awhile (sprinkled througout the season) is normal and expected. Missing those calls for six weeks straight when anyone with functioning eyes can see it smells funny.

[stlrz d]

Re: Bad News for Harrison and Woodley

steelnavy - on behalf of Steelers Nation I would like to kindly request that you let it go and stop complaining about the officiating. Leave that to Rats fans please.

Thank you.