Bad News for Harrison and Woodley

[NorthCoast]

Based on the refereeing I saw in yesterday's games, it appears that the only way holding calls will get made is if there is blatant tackling of the rushers. There were a few holds called in the SD/Indy game but many, many more went uncalled.
I guess we just have to get used to the league wanting to protect QBs and also raise the offensive output of games. I am wondering whether we might be better off sending Harrison into coverage.

[pittpete]

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And they said during the game, that ref crew was responsible for the most penalties called all year.
Let em play, I say

[steelnavy]

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Based on the refereeing I saw in yesterday's games, it appears that the only way holding calls will get made is if there is blatant tackling of the rushers. There were a few holds called in the SD/Indy game but many, many more went uncalled.
I guess we just have to get used to the league wanting to protect QBs and also raise the offensive output of games. I am wondering whether we might be better off sending Harrison into coverage.

I can agree with that statement except for one obvious exception. Why do the Steelers consistently get called for holding week in and out while the opponent NEVER gets called? Are ours more egregious than the choke holds that Harrison gets?!?

Not only that, I would be willing to wager a large amount of money that the Steelers have had more touchdowns and big plays called back for holding than any other team in the NFL. Seems like that flag only comes out AFTER its obvious that the play is going to net some big yards. That San Diego game shouldn't have even been close.

[SteelerNation1]

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Doesn't matter...we didn't get a holding call all year really.

[Chachi]

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And they said during the game, that ref crew was responsible for the most penalties called all year.
Let em play, I say

I see this all the time, in every sport, and never understand it.

A foul is a foul is a foul.

A penality is a penality is a penality.

Doesn't matter if it's the 1st quarter, 4th quarter, playoffs or the Superbowl.

Call a fair game and let the chips fall where they may.

[pittpete]

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Yes, a penalty is a penalty.
On the other hand though there are blatant calls and ticky tacky.
If you call the ticky tackies then you must call everything for both sides.
If you don t call a hold all game and wait till the 4th quarter to make a call which is iffy is what that statement means IMO.

[buckeyehoppy]

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The Steelers are 12-4 to this point without getting the calls.

We don't need the referee's help...we just don't need their hurt!

Champions always find a way to win...no matter what the circumstances!

[TallyStiller]

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We've benefited from calls (Santonio in the end zone? offensive PI on Darrell Jackson) and been hurt by them (Pete Morelli tries to give Indy the game in the '05 divisionals, 14 - 1 penalty margin in the 11 - 10 classic, no holds all season). It all evens out in the end. All we can hope for is that they come out for us at the right time.

They sure did help San Diego move down the field with the flags in OT vs. Indy... maybe it's due to reverse itself this week. Often happens that way in a home playoff game.

[BURGH86STEEL]

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And they said during the game, that ref crew was responsible for the most penalties called all year.
Let em play, I say

I see this all the time, in every sport, and never understand it.

A foul is a foul is a foul.

A penality is a penality is a penality.

Doesn't matter if it's the 1st quarter, 4th quarter, playoffs or the Superbowl.

Call a fair game and let the chips fall where they may.

I agree. One thing I hate about the NBA is that the stars "get the calls". Harrison has been held all year. Most of the time it was not been called. Could the league see it as a problem if they call holding as much as he's been held? Maybe they give the offense players the benefit of the doubt? I am sure the refs see it on the games they review. It is really kind of funny but most teams are probably reluctant to have two players block Harrison because he is not the biggest guy.

[stlrz d]

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We've benefited from calls (Santonio in the end zone? offensive PI on Darrell Jackson) and been hurt by them (Pete Morelli tries to give Indy the game in the '05 divisionals, 14 - 1 penalty margin in the 11 - 10 classic, no holds all season). It all evens out in the end. All we can hope for is that they come out for us at the right time.

They sure did help San Diego move down the field with the flags in OT vs. Indy... maybe it's due to reverse itself this week. Often happens that way in a home playoff game.

All video evidence shows he was in.



As for Harrison and Woodley, I'm sure they're used to it because it's been 2 or 3 seasons now that the NFL has been lax with the flags for holding on the outside pass rushers. They may as well come out and say it is legal for OT's to do the "arm across the neck" block because I see it in every game, not just Steelers games.

[TallyStiller]

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We've benefited from calls (Santonio in the end zone? offensive PI on Darrell Jackson) and been hurt by them (Pete Morelli tries to give Indy the game in the '05 divisionals, 14 - 1 penalty margin in the 11 - 10 classic, no holds all season). It all evens out in the end. All we can hope for is that they come out for us at the right time.

They sure did help San Diego move down the field with the flags in OT vs. Indy... maybe it's due to reverse itself this week. Often happens that way in a home playoff game.

All video evidence shows he was in.



As for Harrison and Woodley, I'm sure they're used to it because it's been 2 or 3 seasons now that the NFL has been lax with the flags for holding on the outside pass rushers. They may as well come out and say it is legal for OT's to do the "arm across the neck" block because I see it in every game, not just Steelers games.

Just saying, we've been on both sides of the close ones, is all. Could find other examples if I were a little less lazy.

[steelnavy]

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We've benefited from calls (Santonio in the end zone? offensive PI on Darrell Jackson) and been hurt by them (Pete Morelli tries to give Indy the game in the '05 divisionals, 14 - 1 penalty margin in the 11 - 10 classic, no holds all season). It all evens out in the end. All we can hope for is that they come out for us at the right time.

They sure did help San Diego move down the field with the flags in OT vs. Indy... maybe it's due to reverse itself this week. Often happens that way in a home playoff game.

All video evidence shows he was in.



As for Harrison and Woodley, I'm sure they're used to it because it's been 2 or 3 seasons now that the NFL has been lax with the flags for holding on the outside pass rushers. They may as well come out and say it is legal for OT's to do the "arm across the neck" block because I see it in every game, not just Steelers games.

Just saying, we've been on both sides of the close ones, is all. Could find other examples if I were a little less lazy.

I would like to hear more of your examples, because I think you are watching games with rose colored "I really luv the refs" glasses on. They have been sticking the Steelers all season long and I saw maybe two calls for the Steelers this year that probably shouldn't have been. But on the other hand, I saw three dozen bad calls/non calls against the Steelers this year.

Just from the top of my head, I can come up with:
The 12 men on the field call when Cowher shoves a copy of the pic down the refs shirt
Overtime in Detroit for the heads/tails fiasco with Bettis
The HORRIBLE running into the kicker call against Tennessee in the playoffs that cost the Steelers the game
The HORRIBLE TD reversal call at the end of the SD game this year
The HORRIBLE non holding call on several Jags at the end of the playoff game last year that COST THE STEELERS ANOTHER game
The non call on Tennessee this year when one of their players pulled a towel out of his uniform to wave after a TD (not even mentioned by the announcers!)

Now I will list the egregious calls FOR the Steelers:
(crickets)

My point is, everything doesnt even out in the end. The Steelers just keep winning despite the refs.

[Bolt Writer]

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Um, guys?

Just saying two words that I think prove that you weren't the only ones hosed by Refs this year...

Ed Hochuli.

[steelnavy]

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Um, guys?

Just saying two words that I think prove that you weren't the only ones hosed by Refs this year...

Ed Hochuli.

Wasn't saying that we were the only team royally hosed by the refs this year. Was saying that we were hosed MUCH more than other teams. Steelers San Diego game is the perfect example. And how about 8 or 9 games in a row when the other team NEVER gets called for holding despite obvious neck wrangling take downs by the offensive linemen?

[Ghost]

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Just from the top of my head, I can come up with:
The 12 men on the field call when Cowher shoves a copy of the pic down the refs shirt
Overtime in Detroit for the heads/tails fiasco with Bettis
The HORRIBLE running into the kicker call against Tennessee in the playoffs that cost the Steelers the game
The HORRIBLE TD reversal call at the end of the SD game this year
The HORRIBLE non holding call on several Jags at the end of the playoff game last year that COST THE STEELERS ANOTHER game
The non call on Tennessee this year when one of their players pulled a towel out of his uniform to wave after a TD (not even mentioned by the announcers!)

I'd like to add the Troy interception against Indy in the playoffs that was reversed (and the league later apologized for as a mistake.

But playing devils's advocate - the refs weren't afraid to throw the flag against her Seahawks in the SB.