Bad News for Harrison and Woodley

[Chemsteel]

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A side note....Woodley is looking very good and his calf is not giving him any problems. Look for a big game from LaMarr.

[Jom112]

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No offense, but some of you guys whine way too much about the officiating. EVERY team in the NFL has fans that think they are on the short end of the stick when it comes to getting calls.

For every non-call when Harrison or Woodley get held evens out a non-call when Ike, Townsend or Bmac have their hands on a receiver past 5 yards. It won't even out over the course of one season but over the course of several seasons it does even out.

I remember in 06 when Justin Smith sacked the Tampa Bay QB and got called for "roughing the passer" which lost us that game. That whole season, our fan base kept crying about how we always get shafted by the refs.

You guys watch the Steelers game in and game out so of course you notice every bad call. If you did that for any other team it would be the same way...

[Iron Shiek]

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No offense, but some of you guys whine way too much about the officiating. EVERY team in the NFL has fans that think they are on the short end of the stick when it comes to getting calls.

For every non-call when Harrison or Woodley get held evens out a non-call when Ike, Townsend or Bmac have their hands on a receiver past 5 yards. It won't even out over the course of one season but over the course of several seasons it does even out.

I remember in 06 when Justin Smith sacked the Tampa Bay QB and got called for "roughing the passer" which lost us that game. That whole season, our fan base kept crying about how we always get shafted by the refs.

You guys watch the Steelers game in and game out so of course you notice every bad call. If you did that for any other team it would be the same way...

Jom I watch as much football as possible on Sunday. Watch more than just Steelers games. I am the last to be harping about how the refs can sway games. Players need to play and deal with a ref's decision, good or bad, right or wrong. Whining doesn't change it. So I don't like using it as a crutch.

But that all goes out the window seeing the weekly that the refs give Harrison (and at times Woodley). It is so blatant its not funny. And I purposely look for that kind of stuff in other games (I have the Sunday Ticket so I am glued to my tv) and nowhere is it more evident than in Steelers games. Its been a weird year and it started vs. the jags in the playoffs in my mind.

[Jom112]

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No offense, but some of you guys whine way too much about the officiating. EVERY team in the NFL has fans that think they are on the short end of the stick when it comes to getting calls.

For every non-call when Harrison or Woodley get held evens out a non-call when Ike, Townsend or Bmac have their hands on a receiver past 5 yards. It won't even out over the course of one season but over the course of several seasons it does even out.

I remember in 06 when Justin Smith sacked the Tampa Bay QB and got called for "roughing the passer" which lost us that game. That whole season, our fan base kept crying about how we always get shafted by the refs.

You guys watch the Steelers game in and game out so of course you notice every bad call. If you did that for any other team it would be the same way...

Jom I watch as much football as possible on Sunday. Watch more than just Steelers games. I am the last to be harping about how the refs can sway games. Players need to play and deal with a ref's decision, good or bad, right or wrong. Whining doesn't change it. So I don't like using it as a crutch.

But that all goes out the window seeing the weekly that the refs give Harrison (and at times Woodley). It is so blatant its not funny. And I purposely look for that kind of stuff in other games (I have the Sunday Ticket so I am glued to my tv) and nowhere is it more evident than in Steelers games. Its been a weird year and it started vs. the jags in the playoffs in my mind.

It depends on who you watch. Watching average DE's you don't see them being held as much as Harrison is. But Osi when he was dominating was being held all the time, Jared Allen I see a lot being held as well.

I admit watching Steeler games this season O-linemen have their arms across Harrison's throat or bring him to the ground at times and still there is no call. It definitely blows but it's not just regulated to him. When you're a top pass rusher it happens. At this point Harrison probably is the most held DE/OLB in the league but it's cyclical. Last season it was probably Osi or Allen (IMHO), next season it will probably be someone else...

[Iron Shiek]

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No offense, but some of you guys whine way too much about the officiating. EVERY team in the NFL has fans that think they are on the short end of the stick when it comes to getting calls.

For every non-call when Harrison or Woodley get held evens out a non-call when Ike, Townsend or Bmac have their hands on a receiver past 5 yards. It won't even out over the course of one season but over the course of several seasons it does even out.

I remember in 06 when Justin Smith sacked the Tampa Bay QB and got called for "roughing the passer" which lost us that game. That whole season, our fan base kept crying about how we always get shafted by the refs.

You guys watch the Steelers game in and game out so of course you notice every bad call. If you did that for any other team it would be the same way...

Jom I watch as much football as possible on Sunday. Watch more than just Steelers games. I am the last to be harping about how the refs can sway games. Players need to play and deal with a ref's decision, good or bad, right or wrong. Whining doesn't change it. So I don't like using it as a crutch.

But that all goes out the window seeing the weekly that the refs give Harrison (and at times Woodley). It is so blatant its not funny. And I purposely look for that kind of stuff in other games (I have the Sunday Ticket so I am glued to my tv) and nowhere is it more evident than in Steelers games. Its been a weird year and it started vs. the jags in the playoffs in my mind.

It depends on who you watch. Watching average DE's you don't see them being held as much as Harrison is. But Osi when he was dominating was being held all the time, Jared Allen I see a lot being held as well.

I admit watching Steeler games this season O-linemen have their arms across Harrison's throat or bring him to the ground at times and still there is no call. It definitely blows but it's not just regulated to him. When you're a top pass rusher it happens. At this point Harrison probably is the most held DE/OLB in the league but it's cyclical. Last season it was probably Osi or Allen (IMHO), next season it will probably be someone else...

Yep. I can agree with everything you are saying. Here's to hoping next year its woodley as he is having a crazy breakout year!

[steelnavy]

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No offense, but some of you guys whine way too much about the officiating. EVERY team in the NFL has fans that think they are on the short end of the stick when it comes to getting calls.

For every non-call when Harrison or Woodley get held evens out a non-call when Ike, Townsend or Bmac have their hands on a receiver past 5 yards. It won't even out over the course of one season but over the course of several seasons it does even out.

I remember in 06 when Justin Smith sacked the Tampa Bay QB and got called for "roughing the passer" which lost us that game. That whole season, our fan base kept crying about how we always get shafted by the refs.

You guys watch the Steelers game in and game out so of course you notice every bad call. If you did that for any other team it would be the same way...

Ok, so if you are right and some fans ARE JUST WHINERS, then how about listing what you think are the top 10 worst/horrible/most controversial calls in the NFL over the past ten years or so. If bad calls were evenly distributed, then you would expect the Steelers to receive no more than one spot on that list. See if you can keep the Steelers from showing up more than once, or twice, or three times!

I will give you a headstart:

The tuck rule - Walt Coleman
Blown call in the San Diego/Donks game this year - Ed Hochuli

Good luck!

[100$handshake]

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The fans of every team in the league think the refs are out to get their team. This stuff gets pretty boring after awhile.

[steelnavy]

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The fans of every team in the league think the refs are out to get their team. This stuff gets pretty boring after awhile.

Then I guess you wouldn't mind proving your theory by listing some of the most agregious AND WELL KNOWN horrible ref calls in the last ten years and NOT listing the Steelers more than one once. That will give you something to do so you're not bored.

[RKSteel]

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Based on the refereeing I saw in yesterday's games, it appears that the only way holding calls will get made is if there is blatant tackling of the rushers. There were a few holds called in the SD/Indy game but many, many more went uncalled.
I guess we just have to get used to the league wanting to protect QBs and also raise the offensive output of games. I am wondering whether we might be better off sending Harrison into coverage.

Freeney may agree with you.

As one of the NFL’s best pass rushers of his generation, the Colts’ Dwight Freeney believes that he is held by opposing pass blockers “every single damn play.” Let that serve as a backdrop to the utter disgust the Pro Bowl defensive end displayed as we walked to Indy’s team bus outside Qualcomm on Saturday night over the trio of penalties called against the Colts’ defense that helped facilitate San Diego’s winning touchdown drive in overtime. The rundown: Second-and-4 from the San Diego 43 – Sproles is stopped for no gain, but Eric Foster is called for defensive holding. Third-and-8 from the Indy 40 – Rivers throws incomplete to Chris Chambers, but cornerback Tim Jennings, who helped break up the pass, is called for defensive holding. Next play, first-and-10 at the Colts’ 35 – Sproles is stopped for no gain, but Session, who made the tackle, is whistled for a 15-yard facemask penalty. In my opinion it could be argued that any of the three penalties was justified, and a case could be made that each was unwarranted. But to have all three of them called in that context was regrettable, and the fact that the Chargers were only penalized three times all game (and only once on offense, for an ineligible man downfield) makes it even worse. In Freeney’s opinion, the flurry of calls that helped end his season was flat-out unconscionable. “Those were the worst [expletive] calls I’ve seen in a long time,” he said. “To have a game of that magnitude taken out of your hands, it’s just disgusting. It’s not like they made one [expletive] bad call – it’s three calls, in overtime. On one the ball’s 50 feet over [Chambers’] head. And they have the nerve to call defensive holding? When they can’t even call one friggin’ offensive holding the whole game? What’s going on? They need to start investigating some other [expletive].”

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[Jom112]

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No offense, but some of you guys whine way too much about the officiating. EVERY team in the NFL has fans that think they are on the short end of the stick when it comes to getting calls.

For every non-call when Harrison or Woodley get held evens out a non-call when Ike, Townsend or Bmac have their hands on a receiver past 5 yards. It won't even out over the course of one season but over the course of several seasons it does even out.

I remember in 06 when Justin Smith sacked the Tampa Bay QB and got called for "roughing the passer" which lost us that game. That whole season, our fan base kept crying about how we always get shafted by the refs.

You guys watch the Steelers game in and game out so of course you notice every bad call. If you did that for any other team it would be the same way...

Ok, so if you are right and some fans ARE JUST WHINERS, then how about listing what you think are the top 10 worst/horrible/most controversial calls in the NFL over the past ten years or so. If bad calls were evenly distributed, then you would expect the Steelers to receive no more than one spot on that list. See if you can keep the Steelers from showing up more than once, or twice, or three times!

I will give you a headstart:

The tuck rule - Walt Coleman
Blown call in the San Diego/Donks game this year - Ed Hochuli

Good luck!

You can argue about the order, but here are several without looking too hard:

1. Tuck Rule
2. Blown call in SD by Hochuli
3. PI on Darrell Jackson in the SB
4. 49ers/Giants 2003 playoff game where 49ers won 39-38. On the last play the 49ers defender tackled the receiver on a botched FG attempt. PI should have been called. Mike Pereira admitted that after the game. Would have setup an easy FG for the win for the Giants.
5. Bucs/Colts. Simeon Rice was called for "leaping" on another player on a missed FG attempt in OT. Allowing Colts to win on another FG attempt.
6. Steelers/Colts. The Polamalu INT in the playoffs that was called back.
7. Bears/Lions week 16, 2004. 19-13 Lions, Bernard Berrian catches a 43 yard TD pass. Ref rules incomplete, Bears challenge. BB clearly catches the ball, but after review the ref still rules incomplete.
8. Ravens/Titans 2006. Mike Anderson fumbles and Robarie Smith of the Titans recovers. Refs rule down by contact. Fisher challenges. Refs say it actually was a fumble but they couldn't determine who recovered so Titans are charged with a timeout and Ravens get the ball back. Although Smith clearly came out with the football.
9. GB/Vikings 2002. Packers win 26-22, NFL admitted at least 9 blown calls in the game. 5 huge ones against the Vikings. Vikings should have won that game.
10. 1999 NFC Championship game, Bucs/Rams. Bert Immanuel catches a pass to the 22 yard line with 47 seconds left in the game to continue a game winning drive. After review the refs say it was incomplete. Later is shows he clearly had it, NFL afterwards because of that play redefines what a "catch" is.

Honorable Mentions:

- 2004 AFC Championship game Patriots/Colts. Patriot DB's being all over Colts receivers but no PI calls against the Patriots.
- Steelers and Bears in two separate games calling Tails but Ref thought Heads was called.
- Roughing the passer on Justin Smith against Bucs which setup Bucs to win on a last second TD. Bengals miss the playoffs by 1 game that season.
- 1999 Playoff game where Jerry Rice fumbles against the Packers on a last minute drive, which was ruled not a fumble. Replay shows it clearly was. This was the one where TO caught the last minute game winning TD and then started crying.


NOW QUIT YOUR WHINING...

[stlrz d]

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#3 - Images show it was clearly a push off. There is no doubt about it. Go look at the photos.

As for officiating, I am not one to complain about them and I don't like it when other people do it. To clarify, I will grumble and complain about a bad call but I do not buy into the "refs were out to get us" mentality and I despise it when others do so. One of the reasons I hats Ravens fans so much is because so many of them constantly complain about the officials not giving them the calls or the NFL having an agenda against them or the media not giving them respect, etc. It's really, really annoying.

[Jom112]

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#3 - Images show it was clearly a push off. There is no doubt about it. Go look at the photos.

As for officiating, I am not one to complain about them and I don't like it when other people do it. To clarify, I will grumble and complain about a bad call but I do not buy into the "refs were out to get us" mentality and I despise it when others do so. One of the reasons I hats Ravens fans so much is because so many of them constantly complain about the officials not giving them the calls or the NFL having an agenda against them or the media not giving them respect, etc. It's really, really annoying.

About #3, we're going to have a difference of opinion and that's fine. Part of the criteria though for the list was "controversial" calls. You can't argue that it wasn't controversial.

Also I agree 100% with that last paragraph. I didn't say anything the first several times I saw you guys complaining about penalties, but after a while it just gets old. I'm not saying you guys don't have bad calls/no calls being made against you, I'm just saying every NFL fan feels the same way about their team...

[stlrz d]

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#3 - Images show it was clearly a push off. There is no doubt about it. Go look at the photos.

As for officiating, I am not one to complain about them and I don't like it when other people do it. To clarify, I will grumble and complain about a bad call but I do not buy into the "refs were out to get us" mentality and I despise it when others do so. One of the reasons I hats Ravens fans so much is because so many of them constantly complain about the officials not giving them the calls or the NFL having an agenda against them or the media not giving them respect, etc. It's really, really annoying.

About #3, we're going to have a difference of opinion and that's fine. Part of the criteria though for the list was "controversial" calls. You can't argue that it wasn't controversial.

Also I agree 100% with that last paragraph. I didn't say anything the first several times I saw you guys complaining about penalties, but after a while it just gets old. I'm not saying you guys don't have bad calls/no calls being made against you, I'm just saying every NFL fan feels the same way about their team...

It's not fine and it wasn't controversial. Maybe to fans who didn't want to believe what they saw it was controversial. But to those who can actually look at what took place there is no doubt.

Have a look for yourself. The pictures don't lie.

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[Jom112]

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[quote=stlrz d][quote=Jom112][quote="stlrz d":337zp9s5]#3 - Images show it was clearly a push off. There is no doubt about it. Go look at the photos.

As for officiating, I am not one to complain about them and I don't like it when other people do it. To clarify, I will grumble and complain about a bad call but I do not buy into the "refs were out to get us" mentality and I despise it when others do so. One of the reasons I hats Ravens fans so much is because so many of them constantly complain about the officials not giving them the calls or the NFL having an agenda against them or the media not giving them respect, etc. It's really, really annoying.[/quote]

[color=#FF0000]About #3, we're going to have a difference of opinion and that's fine. Part of the criteria though for the list was "controversial" calls. You can't argue that it wasn't controversial.[/color]

Also I agree 100% with that last paragraph. I didn't say anything the first several times I saw you guys complaining about penalties, but after a while it just gets old. I'm not saying you guys don't have bad calls/no calls being made against you, I'm just saying every NFL fan feels the same way about their team...[/quote]

It's not fine and it wasn't controversial. Maybe to fans who didn't want to believe what they saw it was controversial. But to those who can actually look at what took place there is no doubt.

Have a look for yourself. The pictures don't lie.

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I knew I should have just left that play out. Anyway as you can see from the picture, the steelers defender is also touching the Seahawks defender. If both people are touching the correct call is a no-call. But that is where the controversy comes in.

I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying it's debatable...

[steelnavy]

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No offense, but some of you guys whine way too much about the officiating. EVERY team in the NFL has fans that think they are on the short end of the stick when it comes to getting calls.

For every non-call when Harrison or Woodley get held evens out a non-call when Ike, Townsend or Bmac have their hands on a receiver past 5 yards. It won't even out over the course of one season but over the course of several seasons it does even out.

I remember in 06 when Justin Smith sacked the Tampa Bay QB and got called for "roughing the passer" which lost us that game. That whole season, our fan base kept crying about how we always get shafted by the refs.

You guys watch the Steelers game in and game out so of course you notice every bad call. If you did that for any other team it would be the same way...

Ok, so if you are right and some fans ARE JUST WHINERS, then how about listing what you think are the top 10 worst/horrible/most controversial calls in the NFL over the past ten years or so. If bad calls were evenly distributed, then you would expect the Steelers to receive no more than one spot on that list. See if you can keep the Steelers from showing up more than once, or twice, or three times!

I will give you a headstart:

The tuck rule - Walt Coleman
Blown call in the San Diego/Donks game this year - Ed Hochuli

Good luck!

You can argue about the order, but here are several without looking too hard:

1. Tuck Rule
2. Blown call in SD by Hochuli
3. PI on Darrell Jackson in the SB
4. 49ers/Giants 2003 playoff game where 49ers won 39-38. On the last play the 49ers defender tackled the receiver on a botched FG attempt. PI should have been called. Mike Pereira admitted that after the game. Would have setup an easy FG for the win for the Giants.
5. Bucs/Colts. Simeon Rice was called for "leaping" on another player on a missed FG attempt in OT. Allowing Colts to win on another FG attempt.
6. Steelers/Colts. The Polamalu INT in the playoffs that was called back.
7. Bears/Lions week 16, 2004. 19-13 Lions, Bernard Berrian catches a 43 yard TD pass. Ref rules incomplete, Bears challenge. BB clearly catches the ball, but after review the ref still rules incomplete.
8. Ravens/Titans 2006. Mike Anderson fumbles and Robarie Smith of the Titans recovers. Refs rule down by contact. Fisher challenges. Refs say it actually was a fumble but they couldn't determine who recovered so Titans are charged with a timeout and Ravens get the ball back. Although Smith clearly came out with the football.
9. GB/Vikings 2002. Packers win 26-22, NFL admitted at least 9 blown calls in the game. 5 huge ones against the Vikings. Vikings should have won that game.
10. 1999 NFC Championship game, Bucs/Rams. Bert Immanuel catches a pass to the 22 yard line with 47 seconds left in the game to continue a game winning drive. After review the refs say it was incomplete. Later is shows he clearly had it, NFL afterwards because of that play redefines what a "catch" is.

Honorable Mentions:

- 2004 AFC Championship game Patriots/Colts. Patriot DB's being all over Colts receivers but no PI calls against the Patriots.
- Steelers and Bears in two separate games calling Tails but Ref thought Heads was called.
- Roughing the passer on Justin Smith against Bucs which setup Bucs to win on a last second TD. Bengals miss the playoffs by 1 game that season.
- 1999 Playoff game where Jerry Rice fumbles against the Packers on a last minute drive, which was ruled not a fumble. Replay shows it clearly was. This was the one where TO caught the last minute game winning TD and then started crying.


NOW QUIT YOUR WHINING...

Nice effort! Now, are you telling me that some of these bad calls qualify as the most memorable (definition- average football fan on the street could actually remember them) horrible calls of all time? Please!

- OT Steelers Detroit Bettis/coin flip is up there with the tuck rule as one of the most cited controversial calls by announcers week in and out. They changed the way it is done because of that. THAT ONE IS IN THE TOP TEN
- The Steelers San Diego "steal a TD" fiasco this season - That bad call caused a huge uproar and screwed tons of people. That one would probably make it ahead of a couple from your top 10.
- Bill Cowher stuffing a pic in the refs shirt on the 12 men on the field call. The announcers bring that one up ALL THE TIME.

If nobody still talks about them week in and out, then they shouldn't qualify. At a minimum, you should have THREE Steelers games in your top ten.

And BTW, back to this season, are you telling me that when no opponent earns a holding call 8 or 9 games IN A ROW against the BEST DEFENSE IN THE NFL (while the Steelers get called for it every week), that something doesn't smell funny? Anomalies happen for one or two games here and there, but not for half a season straight! If you wish to label me a whiner and make it stick, please cite another comparable extended streak that happened to another team.

You can't...