Eagles fans on Pickett acquisition

[brothervad]

Doesn't this say that we took the deal with the highest compensation? That deal looks worse than the one we got IMO.

Moving up from the 4th to the 3rd like we did was equal to a 4th on trade charts. That's better than a 5th (particularly if the commentary that the class this year isn't very good in the late rounds)

And we got 2x 7th rounders.

So it sounds to me like trading with the Eagles gave us (1) more value this year and (2) probably more value next year (assuming the late next year was a 6th or 7th).

After re-reading the trade you are correct and it was just more melodrama from Andrew Filliponi.

On another topic,

I know we have been talking a lot about the good of these moves and God I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, but we also speculated what failure looks like. To me failure is not a losing season (don't want it but can handle it). Failure to me is all of these moves and still ending up 9-8 with either a first round playoff exit or missing the playoffs altogether.

I also am asking without any playing time this year, what do you do with Fields $25.6 million cap hit next year?

Redo the contract? Probably so

But just again, playing Devil's Advocate, aren't we redoing a contract for an unknown quantity? I am not saying Fields is Pickett, but his numbers in Chicago aren't stellar and honestly you go back and look at Trubisky's numbers in Chicago they are better.

Misleading? Perhaps, but still we are hoping the Fields experiment turns out to be a success.

If not, are Steelers committed to 2-3 years to find out?

If we have a disaster of a season, we can at least draft a QB to challenge the Fields experiment, but a 9-8 gets the Steelers nowhere.

(obviously my hope is 11/12 wins and a deeper playoff run - and a good problem to have with Wilson/Fields).

Brothervad

[BURGH86STEEL]

Pickett is a QB that's still in the developmental phase. Pickett forced his way out of a better starting opportunity with the Steelers. I think KP will eventually live to regret his decision.

[feltdizz]

Pickett is a QB that's still in the developmental phase. Pickett forced his way out of a better starting opportunity with the Steelers. I think KP will eventually live to regret his decision.

I think he regrets being drafted by the Steelers and having Canada as an OC.

We will see, there is a lot of football out there to be played. Look at guys like Baker Mayfield. Sometimes its a bad fit.

One thing we do know is QB play has been subpar since Ben went down. 2020 started out nice but ended pretty bad.

Until we get a QB who shines like Ben in 2017 we have to winder if its just the players or is it more than that?

When is the last time we had a dominant OL?

[Northern_Blitz]

After re-reading the trade you are correct and it was just more melodrama from Andrew Filliponi.

On another topic,

I know we have been talking a lot about the good of these moves and God I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, but we also speculated what failure looks like. To me failure is not a losing season (don't want it but can handle it). Failure to me is all of these moves and still ending up 9-8 with either a first round playoff exit or missing the playoffs altogether.

I also am asking without any playing time this year, what do you do with Fields $25.6 million cap hit next year?

Redo the contract? Probably so

But just again, playing Devil's Advocate, aren't we redoing a contract for an unknown quantity? I am not saying Fields is Pickett, but his numbers in Chicago aren't stellar and honestly you go back and look at Trubisky's numbers in Chicago they are better.

Misleading? Perhaps, but still we are hoping the Fields experiment turns out to be a success.

If not, are Steelers committed to 2-3 years to find out?

If we have a disaster of a season, we can at least draft a QB to challenge the Fields experiment, but a 9-8 gets the Steelers nowhere.

(obviously my hope is 11/12 wins and a deeper playoff run - and a good problem to have with Wilson/Fields).

Brothervad

My understanding is that Fields isn't under contract next year.

I think that's his 5th year option amount. But I can't imagine that we'll pick it up.

We do have a big unknown at QB next year. If this year isn't successful, I think we either (1) blow it up and draft a QB high...although I've heard that next year's QB class is supposed to be not great or (2) sign Fields to an extension (I assume if things don't go well this year that means Wilson didn't work out).

[feltdizz]

My understanding is that Fields isn't under contract next year.

I think that's his 5th year option amount. But I can't imagine that we'll pick it up.

We do have a big unknown at QB next year. If this year isn't successful, I think we either (1) blow it up and draft a QB high...although I've heard that next year's QB class is supposed to be not great or (2) sign Fields to an extension (I assume if things don't go well this year that means Wilson didn't work out).

If this doesn?t work this year we screwed up and Tomlin is done. Khan would be on the hot seat.

[fordfixer]

So I rarely take anything coming from Andrew Filliponi with great confidence...but it is still worth discussing.

Andrew Fillipponi


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Rumor: The Saints offered the Steelers a 5th round pick and a future late round pick for Kenny Pickett. But the Steelers took the Eagles package instead.


If this rumor has any merit, it does give some meat to the notion that the malcontents/troublemakers were kind of/sort of getting punished. I highly doubt that the Steelers would do this but it makes you wonder just how bad things got between KP/Steelers.

I did listen to the PM team as they dissected his press conference yesterday. I did kind of agree with them beneath the responses there was bad blood there.

I just kind of hope this rumor is not true because I think the Steelers should focus on getting as much draft capital as possible and the Saints, I believe would provide them more value.

Brothervad

It?s your typical ?2 birds 1 stone? scenario Eagles gave us a better trade and also keeps them from needing to go after Feilds.

[BURGH86STEEL]

I think he regrets being drafted by the Steelers and having Canada as an OC.

We will see, there is a lot of football out there to be played. Look at guys like Baker Mayfield. Sometimes its a bad fit.

One thing we do know is QB play has been subpar since Ben went down. 2020 started out nice but ended pretty bad.

Until we get a QB who shines like Ben in 2017 we have to winder if its just the players or is it more than that?

When is the last time we had a dominant OL?

KP is a fool. KP endorsed keeping MC. KP failed MC. As a result, MC was fired.

The fact that KP essentially quit on the competition the Steelers brought in shows what about KP? It's not like KP was an established vet with good/great success at the highest level. KP was sour that MR had better success than KP running the same offense. This is where the KP sour grapes began.

I wrote that KP is in the developmental phase. The Steelers still believed in KP. KP had other plans. KP isn't a great loss for the Steelers. It's a disappointing loss.

Winning in sports generally boils down to the players. The Steelers build winning teams consistently.

Define dominant OL.

[Eich]

KP is a fool. KP endorsed keeping MC. KP failed MC. As a result, MC was fired.

No QB is going to throw his coordinator under the bus. That makes no sense to say he endorsed keeping him. We don't know his thoughts.

MC failed KP. MC failed the Steelers. The number of articles from professional analysts blasting MC's offense as JV and predictable was mind-numbing. As a result of THAT, MC was fired and IMMEDIATELY following that firing, the offense went over 400 yards for the first time in forever with KP at the helm.

[feltdizz]

We did him a solid. We ensured he was solidly a back up QB for at least the next two year and probably the rest of his career

Maybe.. but look at Dobbs. He started 12 games last year.

A lot of QB?s missed games last year to injury (Kenny included), would not be surprised if Philly gets a phone call for Kenny midseason.

[feltdizz]

KP is a fool. KP endorsed keeping MC. KP failed MC. As a result, MC was fired.

The fact that KP essentially quit on the competition the Steelers brought in shows what about KP? It's not like KP was an established vet with good/great success at the highest level. KP was sour that MR had better success than KP running the same offense. This is where the KP sour grapes began.

I wrote that KP is in the developmental phase. The Steelers still believed in KP. KP had other plans. KP isn't a great loss for the Steelers. It's a disappointing loss.

Winning in sports generally boils down to the players. The Steelers build winning teams consistently.

Define dominant OL.

Lmao.. if Kenny craps on Canada then folks would say he was a bad soldier.

You do realize Mason never ran the offense with Canada calling plays?

You do realize Kenny and the offense had over 400 yards as soon as Canada was fired?

Kenny wasn?t a vet which is exactly why he asked to be traded. Young QB?s are not trying to sit in Pittsburgh like Mason and hope for 2 or 3 guys to fail to get another shot.

We build winning teams in the regular season. We have not won a playoff game in 7 years and the games aren?t even close in the playoffs. But this is also why Russ is here. He knows we can win 9 games with subpar play. If we don?t improve with Russ and Fields its over for Tomlin.

[BURGH86STEEL]

No QB is going to throw his coordinator under the bus. That makes no sense to say he endorsed keeping him. We don't know his thoughts.

MC failed KP. MC failed the Steelers. The number of articles from professional analysts blasting MC's offense as JV and predictable was mind-numbing. As a result of THAT, MC was fired and IMMEDIATELY following that firing, the offense went over 400 yards for the first time in forever with KP at the helm.

KP was asked privately if he wanted MC to return as OC. KP endorsed MC.

We know KP forced his way out of Pittsburgh.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Lmao.. if Kenny craps on Canada then folks would say he was a bad soldier.

You do realize Mason never ran the offense with Canada calling plays?

You do realize Kenny and the offense had over 400 yards as soon as Canada was fired?

Kenny wasn?t a vet which is exactly why he asked to be traded. Young QB?s are not trying to sit in Pittsburgh like Mason and hope for 2 or 3 guys to fail to get another shot.

We build winning teams in the regular season. We have not won a playoff game in 7 years and the games aren?t even close in the playoffs. But this is also why Russ is here. He knows we can win 9 games with subpar play. If we don?t improve with Russ and Fields its over for Tomlin.

LMAO, KP did his thing and the Steelers wanted better competition to push KP. KP actually revealed to the media how he felt about losing his job to MR. KP folded. The last time the Steelers cut a 1st round pick in his second season was in the Cowher era.

You realize that MR executed the same offense?

I don't need to debate winning a playoff game. I will take the winning seasons and playoff births.

I don't even need to debate the playoff wins scenario. Cowher helped this team to win plenty playoff games. Fans called for Cowher to be fired before the team won a championship. What happened? Cowher helped this team win a championship.

I will say this again. I will take the winning seasons and playoff births as opposed to the losing seasons. Winning season vs a losing season. Which do you choose?

I can go down a variety of roads. I will take the non losing, winning seasons, & playoff births until the Steelers can build a Championship winner.

Pickett is an entitled cry baby. He didn't want to compete for the job.

The Steelers don't believe the same way that you think. It would had been over for Cowher....if the fans ran the team.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Look guys. KP simply quit on the Steelers.

[NorthCoast]

Look guys. KP simply quit on the Steelers.

I fart in your general direction....

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[WindyCitySteel]

Look guys. KP simply quit on the Steelers.

There's been a lot of that going on lately.