Tomlin Declares that Pickett ...

[feltdizz]

All I know when Kenny/ Mitch quarterbacked this offense it was painful to watch. When Mason was inserted things began to happen. back to back 30+ point wins, a great win (18/20 passing) in a monsoon in Baltimore and a gritty 2nd half performance against the Bills.

Maybe a new OC brings out the best in Pickett, only time will tell.

PFF wasn’t impressed with Mason.

Mason definitely looked good vs Cincinnati and Seattle but those defenses were really bad. Baltimore and Buffalo were better defenses and I don’t think Mason separated himself from Kenny with those performances.

I like that Mason kept playing hard vs Buffalo but I feel like Buffalo took their foot off the gas a bit.

[Northern_Blitz]

torpedo another season?

we were 7-4 and excited at the possibility of more offense after Canada was fired.

This is what I mean when I say folks keep confusing Kenny with Mitch.

I seriously doubt we lose 3 straight or finish worse than 10-7 if Kenny stayed upright the rest of last season.

I think you might be forgetting about how we got those wins though.

I think in almost all of them we were outgained, had fewer first downs, and less time of possession.

We were winning because the D was generating lots of turnovers. They were carrying the offense.

[Northern_Blitz]

All I know when Kenny/ Mitch quarterbacked this offense it was painful to watch. When Mason was inserted things began to happen. back to back 30+ point wins, a great win (18/20 passing) in a monsoon in Baltimore and a gritty 2nd half performance against the Bills.

Maybe a new OC brings out the best in Pickett, only time will tell.

Wins where it didn't come down to the last play. Where we were up by more than 7 in their final possession. Less heart attack risk.

[Northern_Blitz]

PFF wasn’t impressed with Mason.

Mason definitely looked good vs Cincinnati and Seattle but those defenses were really bad. Baltimore and Buffalo were better defenses and I don’t think Mason separated himself from Kenny with those performances.

I like that Mason kept playing hard vs Buffalo but I feel like Buffalo took their foot off the gas a bit.

It's clear that you believe this Felt.

But if the team agreed with you, I they would have gone back to Kenny when he was healthy. Tie goes to the starter that got hurt. It wasn't a tie. And it seems like the locker room would have revolted if they pulled Mason.

[feltdizz]

No guarantee Kenny wins those games, it's not like they were all 7-6 or 10-9. The D got shredded in each, Kenny would have been forced to pass more.

nothing is guaranteed and I do think Minkah returning at the same time the D got shredded is concerning.

but look at Mitch during those 2.5 games. Dude was disgusting. Its the turnovers. The guy helps other teams jump start their offense with the turnovers.

[feltdizz]

It's clear that you believe this Felt.

But if the team agreed with you, I they would have gone back to Kenny when he was healthy. Tie goes to the starter that got hurt. It wasn't a tie. And it seems like the locker room would have revolted if they pulled Mason.

I’m talking about for 2024.

Mason vs Kenny after surgery and being medically cleared. I agreed with the team. Play the hot hand.

[Northern_Blitz]

I’m talking about for 2024.

Mason vs Kenny after surgery and being medically cleared. I agreed with the team. Play the hot hand.

My guess is that the best predictor of the beginning of 2024 is the end of 2023.

But we'll see what happens. Mason may not even be here to choose from.

[feltdizz]

I think you might be forgetting about how we got those wins though.

I think in almost all of them we were outgained, had fewer first downs, and less time of possession.

We were winning because the D was generating lots of turnovers. They were carrying the offense.

Raiders
Titans
Green Bay
Bengals

The D carried us in all these games? You sure about that? Sure, the D won the turnover battle in most of our wins with Kenny because he rarely turned the ball over.

We were outgained in most games, this is true. But how many times did we see the defense give up big plays in 3rd and 9 when they had chances to get off the field early in games?

Rams game we got ?lucky? because their FG kicker kept missing kicks. Did you see the passing stats for Stafford vs Kenny? Stafford passed for 1 more yard. I guess its the offenses fault that our D gave up large chunks on the ground.

GB game, we were up early and had a lead. 17-7. Defense gave up tons of chunk plays. That?s the offenses fault?

[feltdizz]

My guess is that the best predictor of the beginning of 2024 is the end of 2023.

But we'll see what happens. Mason may not even be here to choose from.

nah, that is how everyone ended up mad after getting spanked by the 49ers even though we won 6 of 7 and our last 4 games in 2022.

[Northern_Blitz]

Raiders
Titans
Green Bay
Bengals

The D carried us in all these games? You sure about that? Sure, the D won the turnover battle in most of our wins with Kenny because he rarely turned the ball over.

We were outgained in most games, this is true. But how many times did we see the defense give up big plays in 3rd and 9 when they had chances to get off the field early in games?

Rams game we got ?lucky? because their FG kicker kept missing kicks. Did you see the passing stats for Stafford vs Kenny? Stafford passed for 1 more yard. I guess its the offenses fault that our D gave up large chunks on the ground.

GB game, we were up early and had a lead. 17-7. Defense gave up tons of chunk plays. That?s the offenses fault?

Opponents score in each of these games:

• Raiders 18
• Titans 16
• Packers 19
• Bengals 10

NFL average ppg was ~ 22 this year.

If we give up the NFL average number of points, we lose half those games. And with the other two by a point.

With Kenny under center this year, we only won one game when the opposing team score > 20 points.

In that game, we gave up 22 points but scored 26. And the defense scored more points (14) than the offense (12).

So yes. I would argue that the defense carried Kenny to the wins he got this year. At the very least, Kenny was not the reason for those wins. With the D before all the injuries, I think most QBs in the league win those games for us. In the games he played, I'd say Kenny was at best outside the top 20 starting QBs in the league.

It doesn't mean that he won't ever be good. But I think he was worse than he was in his rookie year (certainly not better).

[feltdizz]

Opponents score in each of these games:

• Raiders 18
• Titans 16
• Packers 19
• Bengals 10

NFL average ppg was ~ 22 this year.

If we give up the NFL average number of points, we lose half those games. And with the other two by a point.

With Kenny under center this year, we only won one game when the opposing team score > 20 points.

In that game, we gave up 22 points but scored 26. And the defense scored more points (14) than the offense (12).

So yes. I would argue that the defense carried Kenny to the wins he got this year. At the very least, Kenny was not the reason for those wins. With the D before all the injuries, I think most QBs in the league win those games for us. In the games he played, I'd say Kenny was at best outside the top 20 starting QBs in the league.

It doesn't mean that he won't ever be good. But I think he was worse than he was in his rookie year (certainly not better).

wait wait wait.. so now the games only count for the offense if we score above a certain amount of points?

[Northern_Blitz]

wait wait wait.. so now the games only count for the offense if we score above a certain amount of points?

No.

But the problem with Kenny is that we don't score points with him under center.

The D isn't going to keep teams under 20 every week (although we were very good at it before losing most of the middle of the D).

I just don't have much confidence that we have any shot with Kenny under center against a team if they get 24 points or more.

As always, I hope to be wrong about Kenny (Mason too, because I don't think he's average to avbpce average)

[Oviedo]

Raiders
Titans
Green Bay
Bengals

The D carried us in all these games? You sure about that? Sure, the D won the turnover battle in most of our wins with Kenny because he rarely turned the ball over.

We were outgained in most games, this is true. But how many times did we see the defense give up big plays in 3rd and 9 when they had chances to get off the field early in games?

Rams game we got ?lucky? because their FG kicker kept missing kicks. Did you see the passing stats for Stafford vs Kenny? Stafford passed for 1 more yard. I guess its the offenses fault that our D gave up large chunks on the ground.

GB game, we were up early and had a lead. 17-7. Defense gave up tons of chunk plays. That?s the offenses fault?

Isn't the rarely turn the ball over because of the conservatism that Tomlin has been criticized for?

Like I've said before, if you have a QB with one of the lowest QBR in the NFL, you don't take off the training wheels.

[feltdizz]

Isn't the rarely turn the ball over because of the conservatism that Tomlin has been criticized for?

Like I've said before, if you have a QB with one of the lowest QBR in the NFL, you don't take off the training wheels.

Maybe, but we had a few games where we were up 10 or more points and let them back in it..

of course the offense was blamed even when the D was giving up some ridiculous 3rd downs or extending drives for teams with penalties.

[Captain Lemming]

Potential OCs:

This is hilarious.