Tomlin vote of confidence for future reference.

[Rocky Mtn]

My gut says go, but I?ve always struggled knowing for certain from the outside who deserves credit and who deserves blame/accountability.

Most frustrating is Tomlin has never hired quality coaches and built a viable coaching tree. To me that is the biggest signal Tomlin has always been a subpar coach.

Then on the extreme flip side, we finally get rid of Colbert who I have never been really certain about and we have one of our best drafts with Brod, JPJ, Benton, Herbig and a seemingly decent off season building on the quality of the roster. Some didn?t work out, but no one bats 100 in the draft and FA, but I do sense the roster has improved and is trending in the right direction.

These are the extreme ends of the spectrum for Tomlin and I think he does some things well and other things horrible.

So the question almost comes back to him and what is he willing to do to fix his short comings and change to make the team better. And is he willing and capable of these things?

He still seems like a football junkie which is good. But he also seems like he needs some direction.

The east answer is let?s move on and move forward. The harder answer is let?s work with him to help him fix and overcome the things he is awful at doing.

Good post flippy. The question begs,and I've wondered about it. Could Tomlin be one that doesn't want to be overshadowed by good work of an understudy? A control freak,so to speak. At least in recent years? Only the coach knows for sure.

[Ghost]

I have never bashed Tomlin on this site (feel free to check). But it is time. The message is not getting through. The team is not responding. The coaching staff seems inadequate. The team is going nowhere with MT at the helm.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Go?
Stay?

I say GO.

GO and trade him if possible.

[Northern_Blitz]

There is NO way that drafting another QB is an option. Why take another chance on a QB. I would bring in a FA to compete with Kenny.

I do agree about the possibility of a trade for Tomlin, but I would be surprised if he isn't back next year.

If we stand pat, I think you are right. And I agree with you that the most likely outcome is that we bring Tomlin back and go into camp with Kenny as QB1 (at least in pencil). I agree with you that we should bring in a vet QB that's started some games and looked at least OK to compete for the job.

But if we traded Tomlin and got a big haul of draft picks, trying to move up to take a QB is the correct move IMO.

Let's say we got the compensation Gruden got when traded: 2x 1sts and 2x 2nds.

You could use those picks to get an OL, DL, CB, ILB. But does it matter if we still have terrible QBs?

When you don't have a QB, you need to get a QB.

If we got compensation like that, I'd rather trade as much as I needed to and try to land a guy who could be a franchise QB.

[Northern_Blitz]

I have never bashed Tomlin on this site (feel free to check). But it is time. The message is not getting through. The team is not responding. The coaching staff seems inadequate. The team is going nowhere with MT at the helm.

This is the part that's the big concern IMO.

Communication with players has always been Tomlin's elite trait IMO.

Like last season with the terrible start, but the team didn't give up.

He's met his match with Pickens I guess...

[Oviedo]

the only vote that matters is Rooney's
I don't think you'll see him force Tomlin to go

This!!!! Rooney's know they have an asset and will keep that asset versus gambling on an unknown

[Chucktownsteeler]

Go.

But the options are:

1.) He "retires" after this season.

2.) He is extended after this season.

No way he coaches next year as a lame "duck".

[Northern_Blitz]

Go.

But the options are:

1.) He "retires" after this season.

2.) He is extended after this season.

No way he coaches next year as a lame "duck".

Or he gets traded. Glazier is apparently tight with him. That story getting floated seems kind of crazy IMO.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Or he gets traded. Glazier is apparently tight with him. That story getting floated seems kind of crazy IMO.

When the media leaks things out, either the person or the team wants it.

[Northern_Blitz]

When the media leaks things out, either the person or the team wants it.

My usual guess is just that "the media" is making something up on a slow news day.

But Glazier is reportedly Tomlin's friend. DK talks about how when Glazier comes to camp, he's riding around in a golf cart with Tomlin. Something apparently no one else does.

So to me, it's not that it got leaked. It's who leaked it.

The chalk has to be that we stand pat. But it's interesting.

[Buzz]

No it isn?t.
It?s a real simple question.

well, I think it's time for Mike to move on
but I don't expect it to happen

[Jooser]

IMHO, no way will they fire Mike.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

This is the part that's the big concern IMO.

Communication with players has always been Tomlin's elite trait IMO.

Like last season with the terrible start, but the team didn't give up.

He's met his match with Pickens I guess...

Agreed 100%. I mentioned in another thread that Tomlin managed to mostly keep a lid on the AB situation for years, to the point that nobody outside knew how bad it was. I think he is either unable, or no longer has the energy to tackle the DJ/Pickens situation. Maybe he needs a new start elsewhere, but he is no longer willing or able to do it in Pittsburgh.

[whatever]

Agreed 100%. I mentioned in another thread that Tomlin managed to mostly keep a lid on the AB situation for years, to the point that nobody outside knew how bad it was. I think he is either unable, or no longer has the energy to tackle the DJ/Pickens situation. Maybe he needs a new start elsewhere, but he is no longer willing or able to do it in Pittsburgh.

I’m thinking he enabled brown and let it grow until it couldn’t be hidden.

[WindyCitySteel]

Go.

But the options are:

1.) He "retires" after this season.

2.) He is extended after this season.

No way he coaches next year as a lame "duck".

Or he gets traded. Glazier is apparently tight with him. That story getting floated seems kind of crazy IMO.

I think the lack of extension would be enough to get him to walk, maybe do some pregame studio show for a year, then go coach somewhere else.