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  • Chucktownsteeler
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    • May 2008
    • 6847

    #76
    Originally posted by feltdizz
    Gotcha.. yeah, I agree, this is to make sure the networks can still pick 4 teams for the bye to try and curate the best outcome.

    still much better than 4 teams.
    Anything is an improvement over 4 games, but these guys make it much harder than it needs to be. Division I has had a playoff system for decades.
    Help me find my post proving I am a Yinzer!

    I will tip my hat to Tomlin if he has a winning record and the team makes the play-offs in the upcoming season.

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    • Joel Buchsbaum
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      • Jan 2021
      • 7744

      #77
      Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
      Here is my updated list of qb prospects. For some aid I will be using the ESPN QBR chart in college as it is a good benchmark. Now for my little spin on things I judge a QB on his competition he has faced. The EPSN chart does not!

      https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbrDoes he play top 25 teams at least twice?

      For his stats I minus approximately 5% accuracy and throwing yardage if the player plays nobodies because that type of schedule and the bad db's played against is easy.

      If the QB has amazing NFL talent at the skill positions, I take that into his completion and yardage as well. So it evens out.

      The ESPN QBR chart does not rate a player propensity to be injured either, I do.

      If the player is hurt once and misses games that happens, but twice is a disturbing trend, and three times and he is an official medical risk in my opinion and should not be drafted within the first two rounds. This risk is magnified if the player is a running qb type of player. All injuries are their own cases but knee, ankle, spine or neck injuries are serious, as are head injuries.

      I doubt players under 6'1" inches. And I know the string bean types under 210 pounds are more prone to get hurt.

      I do give bonus points for projects on size. I don't rate personalities but if a player gets in trouble off the field, that is a red flag are stupid social media comments.

      I have seen every man play.

      Everybody got it?

      I must say the NFL should be thankful for the QB prospects coming out IMO are as strong as they have been in the last 10 years. This list is evolving by the week.

      Now having said all of the above, here is my list.



      The top QB 2024 draft prospects.

      1. Bo Nix.

      His arm, accuracy, release and command of the offense is special, as are his TD to Int ratio.
      He is mobile too but does not build his game around running for first downs. He runs a 2 minute like drill very well. He has a good touch on his pases too. I'm sold.

      Projected NFL pick. Top 5.



      2. Drake Maye. Very hyped, but has it all physically. The arm, the size, the accuracy, his mobitly and the family ( his dad played QB. And his brothers and sisters lettered in college on sporting teams. so did his mom ) are top draw. And he is smart. All academic ACC type, so perseumbley he has football IQ. Need a little more seasoning.

      Projected Pick top 5


      3. McCarthy.

      He is tall, accurate, highly QBR rated, has a very good arm and can run a 4.6. Only red flag is he does not throw for many attempts, which is why he isn't a yardage guy. But he is 4-1 vs top 10 ranked teams for the 2022 and 2023 season. The Red flag is limited yardage in some games, but when he has to pass it often, he has in 3 games of 31 attempts or more. Looking at those games he has three 300 yard games. 5 td's 2 nt. So he does just fine when he has to throw it.

      Projected NFL pick top 15.


      4. Jayden Daniels. This LSU QB is fun to watch. He is a legit running threat and offers good accuracy, hitting mamy down the field passes. But he is also rail thin like 185 pounds. He is 3-5 vs. top 25 teams and has excellent receivers around him. Very much sizzle and lacking some substance. He has several head and neck injuries. But oh can he play.

      Projected NFL draft pick #15-30 overall.


      5. Caeb Willliams. He is a little short and weighs? Let's see his NFL measurements. His accuracy in the pocket is good not great and he is 0-4 vs. top 25 teams throwing for just 5 TD and 3 INT in these four games. I think he is way overrated and plays with some fine NFL to be WR's . He has a red flag on social media comments. But he can move and make plays, but He takes a lot of sacks and could be slow to process things. Nagging injury issues combined with his play is a red flag. A diva type, not a stand up guy. I do not like this guy.

      Projected NFL draft pick top 10, some NFL media people think he is the #1 pick. I would pass on him in round one for the reasons mentioned.


      6. Mike Pennix . Pennix is a very good pocket passer. He is tall enough and has a plus type of arm. But he is oh so fragile. With two torn acl injuries and two joint injuries in the upper body. A major red flag. He is not likey to last long in the NFL. This is sad, but true.

      Projected draft pick round two.


      7. Caron Beck. Beck is a big qb who is very accurate and productive. He is on an amazing team but stands as his own player, not a game manager type at all. He has a very good arm and release. And he's smart. Is semi mobile. He rolls top 25 teams and is 4-0 vs. top 25 teams passing 300 yard three times. Well -- one game was 298 yards. An ascending player with a small sample size of game played. The arrow on him is pointing up.

      Projected draft pick round two.


      8. Dillon Gabreil. This little man ( he is short under 6 feet and light ) has passed for 400+ yards three times this year , and 300+ yards 4 times! He can run well and has very good accuracy hitting guys down the field in stride. There is something about him.

      Projected draft pick round two


      9. Mike Pratt. This well-built QB doesn't have great talent around him yet produces and checks many boxes. He can run for 1 st downs. His red flag is he does not attempt many passes and he plays a weak schedule. His bowl game and off season game / workouts can really help his case.

      Project draft pick round three.


      10. Quinn Ewers.

      There is something I don't like about him, but he is a big game QB, who is 2-1 vs. top 25 teams and has shown the ability to pass for over 300 yards 4 times in 2023. He says he is likely coming back to school and needs some non RPO polish, but someone should tell him there is a guy named Manning behind him.

      Projected draft pick round three





      The Steelers should draft a QB in round one of the 2024 draft. We are stuck with 10 pounds of poop in a five pound pound bag. A trade up to get McCarthy is fine ( take our second round pick and our #2 in 2025 ) use our #1 by staying put and drafting Daniels who is exciting. Selecting a QB such as Beck in round two would bring great value. Really and one of these three men would be fantastic Steelers.

      We need a new head coach as the team chemistry is a mess. It just is. We have no OC. These two men the head coach and the OC are key for QB development.
      Using this chart, with the projected picks of 23, 54 and 88 ( as of 12-4-23 ) here is what I would do. Of course combine / pro days, bowl games / playoffs, injury reports and character reports can change things.


      2026 NFL Mock Draft with live-updating draft order after every game. Team needs are factored into the player selections.


      It's time to end the Kenny Pickett experiment. With our projected pick ( as of 12-2-23 ) being pick #20, 52, and 84, I choose the following;

      Round one. Highest rated QB, in order of preference . JJ McCarthy, Daniels , and Beck. One of the three should be one the board. Nix will be long gone. No trading up and giving up draft capital. There is value in this draft at QB. If it is Beck, I am very impressed with his QB IQ, and release that complement his size, good arm / velocity and very good accuracy.

      The guy has not " lost " a game due to poor play.
      Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

      Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

      *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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      • Mick'sTeam
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        • Jun 2008
        • 480

        #78
        Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
        Using this chart, with the projected picks of 23, 54 and 88 ( as of 12-4-23 ) here is what I would do. Of course combine / pro days, bowl games / playoffs, injury reports and character reports can change things.


        2026 NFL Mock Draft with live-updating draft order after every game. Team needs are factored into the player selections.


        It's time to end the Kenny Pickett experiment. With our projected pick ( as of 12-2-23 ) being pick #20, 52, and 84, I choose the following;

        Round one. Highest rated QB, in order of preference . JJ McCarthy, Daniels , and Beck. One of the three should be one the board. Nix will be long gone. No trading up and giving up draft capital. There is value in this draft at QB. If it is Beck, I am very impressed with his QB IQ, and release that complement his size, good arm / velocity and very good accuracy.

        The guy has not " lost " a game due to poor play.
        That mock draft link has Nix lasting until the middle of the second round. I can't see that happening, someone will grab him in Rd 1 just to secure that 5th year option. And it doesn't include Beck at all in the 3 round mock!

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        • feltdizz
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          • May 2008
          • 27564

          #79
          Originally posted by Mick'sTeam
          That mock draft link has Nix lasting until the middle of the second round. I can't see that happening, someone will grab him in Rd 1 just to secure that 5th year option. And it doesn't include Beck at all in the 3 round mock!
          Brock Vandergriff entered the transfer portal which means Carson Beck will probably return to Georgia.

          Beck didn’t really show much when the lights were on and I hear they are trying to put an NIL package together to keep him at Georgia
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          • Chucktownsteeler
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            • May 2008
            • 6847

            #80
            Originally posted by feltdizz
            Brock Vandergriff entered the transfer portal which means Carson Beck will probably return to Georgia.

            Beck didn’t really show much when the lights were on and I hear they are trying to put an NIL package together to keep him at Georgia
            Interestingly Kyle McCord entered the portal (rumors include Pitt and Penn State). I guess losing Marvin Harrison, Jr. was too much for him. Probably hearing footsteps from Lincoln Kienholtz.

            I saw a mock having the Steelers draft Mike Pratt, QB, Tulane in the 3rd. First one I have seen projecting a QB to the Steelers that high. A bit over-drafted perhaps.
            Last edited by Chucktownsteeler; 12-05-2023, 12:37 PM.
            Help me find my post proving I am a Yinzer!

            I will tip my hat to Tomlin if he has a winning record and the team makes the play-offs in the upcoming season.

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            • feltdizz
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              • May 2008
              • 27564

              #81
              Originally posted by Chucktownsteeler
              Interestingly Kyle McCord entered the portal (rumors include Pitt and Penn State). I guess losing Marvin Harrison, Jr. was too much for him. Probably hearing footsteps from Lincoln Kienholtz.

              I saw a mock having the Steelers draft Mike Pratt, QB, Tulane in the 3rd. First one I have seen projecting a QB to the Steelers that high. A bit over-drafted perhaps.
              McCord was not the traditional Buckeye QB.

              A lot of QB’s entered the portal that shocked me. I don’t know if its footsteps or because there is more money in the portal.
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              • Northern_Blitz
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                • Dec 2008
                • 24382

                #82
                Originally posted by feltdizz
                McCord was not the traditional Buckeye QB.

                A lot of QB?s entered the portal that shocked me. I don?t know if its footsteps or because there is more money in the portal.
                Might as well try IMO.

                At $1M -$2M it has the potential to be the biggest pay day they ever get I think.

                Even at the low end and assuming 50% in taxes, that's lifechanging money. And would mean that they'd probably be set for life with even minimum wage type jobs if they just put that money into a reasonable portfolio. You've already won the game if you have $500k in your 20s. You just have to leave it alone for 15 - 20 years.

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                • hawaiiansteel
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                  • May 2008
                  • 35651

                  #83
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                  • Joel Buchsbaum
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                    • Jan 2021
                    • 7744

                    #84
                    Originally posted by feltdizz
                    Brock Vandergriff entered the transfer portal which means Carson Beck will probably return to Georgia.

                    Beck didn’t really show much when the lights were on and I hear they are trying to put an NIL package together to keep him at Georgia
                    What in you opinion didn't Beck show? He lost one game and was not the reason for losing it. Both of his receivers gimpy vs Alabama a top defense with NFL to be DB's. I look forward to your reply.
                    Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                    Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                    *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                    • feltdizz
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                      • May 2008
                      • 27564

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                      What in you opinion didn't Beck show? He lost one game and was not the reason for losing it. Both of his receivers gimpy vs Alabama a top defense with NFL to be DB's. I look forward to your reply.
                      He didn’t show he was a difference maker IMO. Georgia is right there with Bama in terms of NFL talent all over their roster. Going undefeated or losing one game is not the criteria for being a top QB.

                      Drake Maye and Caleb have lost games because their defenses suck and they are asked to carry their teams with their arms.

                      Beck doesn’t have that pressure because the D is solid.

                      What does he do so well or what jumps off the screen when you watch him? His height? His arm? His mechanics?

                      To me he isn’t even on Stetson Bennetts level in terms of talent and grit. I think he comes back which is why the other QB hit the portal.
                      Steelers 27
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                      • Joel Buchsbaum
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                        • Jan 2021
                        • 7744

                        #86
                        Originally posted by feltdizz
                        He didn’t show he was a difference maker IMO. Georgia is right there with Bama in terms of NFL talent all over their roster. Going undefeated or losing one game is not the criteria for being a top QB.

                        Drake Maye and Caleb have lost games because their defenses suck and they are asked to carry their teams with their arms.

                        Beck doesn’t have that pressure because the D is solid.

                        What does he do so well or what jumps off the screen when you watch him? His height? His arm? His mechanics?

                        To me he isn’t even on Stetson Bennetts level in terms of talent and grit. I think he comes back which is why the other QB hit the portal.
                        For me he shows QB accuracy, a very good arm, a good release, and good size. Those things can be easily seen. But beyond that he is smart and his metal processing speed is elite. His pocket aware is very good. I think he can play and projects as a first or second round pick.

                        He does not play defense and the only game he lost was not his fualt and featured injures to his WR's. Unlike Bennett he comes across as very mature. And he doe not have a #1 NFL WR receiver type who can do damage down the field. Passing for lots of yards is not an issue.

                        He not even on Bennett's level you say??
                        Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                        Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                        *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                        • feltdizz
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                          • May 2008
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                          #87
                          Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                          For me he shows QB accuracy, a very good arm, a good release, and good size. Those things can be easily seen. But beyond that he is smart and his metal processing speed is elite. His pocket aware is very good. I think he can play and projects as a first or second round pick.

                          He does not play defense and the only game he lost was not his fualt and featured injures to his WR's. Unlike Bennett he comes across as very mature. And he doe not have a #1 NFL WR receiver type who can do damage down the field. Passing for lots of yards is not an issue.

                          He not even on Bennett's level you say??
                          I said he didn't show me anything that makes me believe he is better than Bennett. He may have the maturity pat down which is good but physically I don't see anything special with Beck.

                          I don't care if Georgia went undefeated or lost 4 games. I simply haven't seen Beck do much that suggest he is worthy of a 1st or 2nd round grade. I'd take him in the 3rd or 4th but this is why I think he returns to UGA.
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                          • Joel Buchsbaum
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                            • Jan 2021
                            • 7744

                            #88
                            Originally posted by feltdizz
                            I said he didn't show me anything that makes me believe he is better than Bennett. He may have the maturity pat down which is good but physically I don't see anything special with Beck.

                            I don't care if Georgia went undefeated or lost 4 games. I simply haven't seen Beck do much that suggest he is worthy of a 1st or 2nd round grade. I'd take him in the 3rd or 4th but this is why I think he returns to UGA.
                            You are blind. He makes up his mind quickly, spots the open man, and delivers the ball on the money with velocity. There is little waiting during the process. The open man gets the ball in a hurry in the right spot and can get RAC. He is excels over the middle and down the field. He isn't a shrimp. His QB smarts is off the charts. No way he last past the second round.
                            Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                            Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                            *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                            • feltdizz
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                              • May 2008
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                              #89
                              Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                              You are blind. He makes up his mind quickly, spots the open man, and delivers the ball on the money with velocity. There is little waiting during the process. The open man gets the ball in a hurry in the right spot and can get RAC. He is excels over the middle and down the field. He isn't a shrimp. His QB smarts is off the charts. No way he last past the second round.
                              Sure, he hits the open man because with teams like Bama and Georgia usually have WIDE OPEN men on most plays.

                              Remember how you said Kirby had great things stay about the back up QB Vandergriff? He hit the portal. Unless Georgia has a stud waiting in the wings I think its a sign Beck is coming back to try and win a championship and build more hype since its a crowded field.

                              I think this is more recency bias on your part. You said little about this guy until right before the SEC Championship. I think there is a reason for that, he wasn't high on the list and IMO he still isn't high on the list of QB's in this draft.

                              Like I said earlier.. I'll take him in the 3rd or 4th round.
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                              • hawaiiansteel
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                                • May 2008
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                                #90
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