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  • Oviedo
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 23824

    #91
    Originally posted by Eich
    Even rookie Ben might struggle in the confines of THIS offense.

    I feel like we set Kenny up for failure with Canada as the coordinator and the overly conservative approach on offense. 4QK used to give me hope. I felt like he wanted the ball in his hands at crunch time and would deliver. Now, it feels more like he's playing "afraid to mess up" ball.

    I think Kenny needs some mental therapy from someone who's been through rough times. Hire a former QB like Kurt Warner to come in and be his advisor. We're breaking KP8.
    Rookie Ben could make all the throws and did so consistently...second year Kenny can't
    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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    • feltdizz
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 27564

      #92
      Originally posted by "BuzzNuter"
      Everybody says the OL is crap and Kenny needs a better OL. In another post last week I said Kenny stands in the middle of the league considering time to release. He is at 2.4 seconds. Burrow was 2.2 seconds. Trevor Lawrence is 2.1 seconds. The QB with the most time is Justin Fields with 2.7 seconds. Fields buys time by scrambling.

      The point is you can't expect more then what he is getting. Ben averaged 2.21 seconds his last year. All these posts are leading to a false hope that Kenny can improve. Well at least for this year. They have the book on him. Rush straight up and put your hands up. He can't slide in the pocket and he can't see over the line in the MOF. He turns his back and rolls left.

      That was a pitiful performance by Kenny yesterday. What's he going to do against the Bengals 85 yards passing. There is nothing that is going to save him this year. If we let him play out the year he will be sitting in the corner mumbling to himself.

      We should either bench him or promote someone else to play calling. Let him take risks. Throw some interceptions. Let him see if he can do anything. Sacrifice this season for Kenny's development.
      might be a coincidence but seems like the more time you take the higher the chance for injury.

      Burrow done for the year
      Fields missed the last 4 games
      Kenny missed the second half of 2 games with bruised ribs and a knee injury.

      Still wonder if its the book on Kenny or the book on Canada and Kenny. I think all teams have books on players but the play calling helps them stay a step ahead of the defense.

      I hate to use Kenny?s ribs as an excuse but the drop off has been swift since the Jags game.
      Steelers 27
      Rats 16

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      • LPMAN
        Pro Bowler
        • Sep 2021
        • 2041

        #93
        Originally posted by feltdizz
        One thing I noticed, when Kenny gets sacked early he starts to rush.

        You can't have your QB getting sacked on the first play or first series of the game. Especially if it's Miles Garrett.
        The Browns have a great pass rush, and our OL did not do very well in that regard yesterday so i put most of the blame on Canada for not rolling him out more & the OL not protecting well. And why have Muth run a route when Kenny never looks his way might as well go max protect everytime.

        But on Kenny i wish he had the Dan Marino last second slide when someone is coming right at him. Kenny seems to do the Peyton Manning fetal position move, which is ok for protecting the ball. But If there is only 1 guy coming free & you side step & the last second they pretty much always go flying by you.

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        • LPMAN
          Pro Bowler
          • Sep 2021
          • 2041

          #94
          Originally posted by Oviedo
          Rookie Ben could make all the throws and did so consistently...second year Kenny can't
          There have been 315 QBS since the 1970 mercer that have 500+ pass attempts in the NFL. Of those 315 only 1 has thrown a TD on less than 2% of his throws. His name is Kenny Pickett (1.9%).

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          • brothervad
            Pro Bowler
            • Dec 2008
            • 1919

            #95
            Originally posted by "BuzzNuter"
            Everybody says the OL is crap and Kenny needs a better OL. In another post last week I said Kenny stands in the middle of the league considering time to release. He is at 2.4 seconds. Burrow was 2.2 seconds. Trevor Lawrence is 2.1 seconds. The QB with the most time is Justin Fields with 2.7 seconds. Fields buys time by scrambling.

            The point is you can't expect more then what he is getting. Ben averaged 2.21 seconds his last year. All these posts are leading to a false hope that Kenny can improve. Well at least for this year. They have the book on him. Rush straight up and put your hands up. He can't slide in the pocket and he can't see over the line in the MOF. He turns his back and rolls left.

            That was a pitiful performance by Kenny yesterday. What's he going to do against the Bengals 85 yards passing. There is nothing that is going to save him this year. If we let him play out the year he will be sitting in the corner mumbling to himself.

            We should either bench him or promote someone else to play calling. Let him take risks. Throw some interceptions. Let him see if he can do anything. Sacrifice this season for Kenny's development.



            These rankings is out of 41 qualified QB's...and last I checked 32 QB1's out there and he is sub QB1 in many of the numbers.

            Brothervad

            PS: sorry about the table...I did everything as set up by the site...it just shows HTML tags...I have removed it. you will just have to view Tweet to see it I guess.
            Last edited by brothervad; 11-20-2023, 08:57 PM.

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            • Ghost
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 6413

              #96
              The Steelers get inside the red zone 1.9 times per game. Last in the NFL and beyond abysmal. It would be impossible to do worse than KP.
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              • SteelCrazy
                Legend
                • Aug 2008
                • 5056

                #97
                Another thing is KP never throws between the hashes. That’s got to be coaching. Eliminate the ints. If it’s not coached they need to coach him to do it.

                We’ve got major issues that aren’t going to be addressed this season. Tomlin will escape with his 9-8 record and we’ll have major issues next season.

                Let’s go!
                2019 Mock

                1. ILB
                2. CB
                3. ILB
                4. S
                5. CB
                6. ILB
                7. S

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                • Chadman
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 6537

                  #98
                  I'm for keeping Kenny as starter.

                  The OL is still a weakness, our running game is inconsistent, the play calling is poor & our #1 WR is 50/50 catching most days.

                  Yes, Kenny has been poor. He is part of the problem. He will not improve by benching him.

                  I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why Najee cannot find a lane to run through. I don't believe he is that bad.

                  The offense looks stifled from the start. Keeping Canada and his mad schemes didn't work. You have a conventional style QB. You have a power back as the feature back. & we run jet screens & short dump off passes.

                  We don't require a fancy offensive scheme. We require an OL that'll dominate at the point, a smash mouth style running game & let your conventional style QB throw a somewhat vanilla offense. There's been a lot of investment in the pieces. But the scheme was designed for someone else.

                  What's Whisenhunt up to these days?
                  The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off, why should I?

                  Light up the darkness.

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                  • NorthCoast
                    Legend
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 26639

                    #99
                    The one stat that matters most to Tomlin is why MR will not start a game this year:

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                    • flippy
                      Legend
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 17088

                      Originally posted by NorthCoast
                      The one stat that matters most to Tomlin is why MR will not start a game this year:

                      Kenny is Mason 2. With half the TDs and half the INTs.

                      Mason got benched for Duck.

                      Actually Kenny might be Mason with Duck?s arm.
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                      • Chucktownsteeler
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 6847

                        I am thinking he is going to get 2 quarters against the Bumgals and if things are the same Tomlin may opt for MT for the 2nd half.
                        Help me find my post proving I am a Yinzer!

                        I will tip my hat to Tomlin if he has a winning record and the team makes the play-offs in the upcoming season.

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                        • Steel Maniac
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2017
                          • 19472

                          Originally posted by Chucktownsteeler
                          I am thinking he is going to get 2 quarters against the Bumgals and if things are the same Tomlin may opt for MT for the 2nd half.
                          I hope they are feeling the urgency of this game like you and I are.

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                          • hawaiiansteel
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 35651

                            Originally posted by Chucktownsteeler
                            I am thinking he is going to get 2 quarters against the Bumgals and if things are the same Tomlin may opt for MT for the 2nd half.
                            I think now that we have a new OC Kenny will be given every opportunity to show what he can do.

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                            • feltdizz
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 27564

                              Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                              I think now that we have a new OC Kenny will be given every opportunity to show what he can do.
                              if not we can always try this guy

                              Steelers 27
                              Rats 16

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                              • Chucktownsteeler
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 6847

                                Originally posted by feltdizz
                                if not we can always try this guy

                                Now that is some funny stuff right there.
                                Help me find my post proving I am a Yinzer!

                                I will tip my hat to Tomlin if he has a winning record and the team makes the play-offs in the upcoming season.

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