Dulac: Tomlin dictates the offense

[BURGH86STEEL]

Better QB = less conservative offense

Has anyone seen anything this season that gives you confidence that having KP "let 'er rip" results in wins?

This is the bottom line.

[WindyCitySteel]

Legs are literally referred to as wheels my brother. There is a reason for that.

The offense is HOW one is directed to play, and the STRATEGIES used.

A car is the physical means used to move forward. A problem with a car is a physical limitation.

You know I am right, you are not dense.

You're starting to sound like B86S.

[BURGH86STEEL]

You're starting to sound like B86S.

You are not a Steelers fan.

[Captain Lemming]

You're starting to sound like B86S.

Really?
We do agree a lot. But at times we disagree. For example the last time I disputed him I argued that he was wrong when saying this:

You are not a Steelers fan.

Maybe I was mistaken to have your back Windy. Which I have done FREQUENTLY when you are attacked personally even though we often disagree.

[Buzz]

So you think that Tomlin thinks KP's play is above the line?

As I said in another thread, I'm sure he'd like to have him play better -- he doesn't want him missing his throws, etc. But he's not going to do anything to change the system/coaching in any meaningful way to try to help KP or the offense produce a lot more yards/points. He wants a risk-averse offense, close, low-scoring, low offensive output games that rely on the defense to come up with turnovers to produce a win.

After looking at the way the team has operated these past several years, that's the conclusion I have to come to.

[Captain Lemming]

As I said in another thread, I'm sure he'd like to have him play better -- he doesn't want him missing his throws, etc. But he's not going to do anything to change the system/coaching in any meaningful way to try to help KP or the offense produce a lot more yards/points. He wants a risk-averse offense, close, low-scoring, low offensive output games that rely on the defense to come up with turnovers to produce a win.

After looking at the way the team has operated these past several years, that's the conclusion I have to come to.

Close. He wants a risk averse offense because we lose when we loss the turnover battle. Surprisingly, he prefers winning.

I think he’d PREFER that his risk averse offense scored more points.

[WindyCitySteel]

Close. He wants a risk averse offense because we lose when we loss the turnover battle. Surprisingly, he prefers winning.

I think he’d PREFER that his risk averse offense scored more points.

What Tomlin doesn't seem to understand is that the simplicity of the offense makes it MORE risky since every WR is blanketed. If they could scheme guys open they'd be safe AND productive.

[Buzz]

I think he’d PREFER that his risk averse offense scored more points.

but not at the expense of taking any risk

it's the modern live-in-your-fears turtle Marty-ball approach that seems to keep the team from ever being too bad in the regular season, but doesn't work so well when you get down multiple scores and/or face the top offenses in the league

should we make the playoffs, hard to see us advancing very far with this kind of approach

[steelcurtain44]

Close. He wants a risk averse offense because we lose when we loss the turnover battle. Surprisingly, he prefers winning.

I think he?d PREFER that his risk averse offense scored more points.

Seriously, all QBS turn the ball over. KP's strength is suppose to be his accuracy. I dont think you all get that. The way this offense seems to be disigned is every pass has to be perfect. Look at some of the throws QBs are making. They are not all accurate, but the make the risky throws and their WRs make those catches.

Now watch when KP makes those same throws. The only WR that makes those catches is Pickens. I will give an example. Against I think it was Jacksonville. He threw a pass to DJ in the endzone. He didnt lead him because a defender had a bead, so he did what Ive seen every QB has done, he threw behind him expecting him to make adjustment, he didnt and slipped. And what did the fans say? KP threw a terrible pass. There is really nothing KP can do to appease the fans right now, because he is not going to throw perfect passes on every throw, which right now he gets critiqued on every throw doing the game.

[feltdizz]

Seriously, all QBS turn the ball over. KP's strength is suppose to be his accuracy. I dont think you all get that. The way this offense seems to be disigned is every pass has to be perfect. Look at some of the throws QBs are making. They are not all accurate, but the make the risky throws and their WRs make those catches.

Now watch when KP makes those same throws. The only WR that makes those catches is Pickens. I will give an example. Against I think it was Jacksonville. He threw a pass to DJ in the endzone. He didnt lead him because a defender had a bead, so he did what Ive seen every QB has done, he threw behind him expecting him to make adjustment, he didnt and slipped. And what did the fans say? KP threw a terrible pass. There is really nothing KP can do to appease the fans right now, because he is not going to throw perfect passes on every throw, which right now he gets critiqued on every throw doing the game.

Thank you. Other players have to make plays too. When they are uncatchable or way off its on Kenny but these passes that hit WR’s in the hands or give them a chance to make plays downfield on 50/50 balls and they come up short, that’s not on Kenny.

There was a pass over the middle to Austin vs Tenn that was under thrown. It still hit Austins in the bread basket. He just dropped it. Even if its not perfect you can catch some of those and make plays that other WR’s are making.

I’m still furious over the long pass the DJ that hit him in both hands last game on 3rd down.

[Captain Lemming]

but not at the expense of taking any risk

it's the modern live-in-your-fears turtle Marty-ball approach that seems to keep the team from ever being too bad in the regular season, but doesn't work so well when you get down multiple scores and/or face the top offenses in the league

should we make the playoffs, hard to see us advancing very far with this kind of approach

We wont likely advance very far true. But my point is we wont MAKE the playoffs throwing picks. We have to worry about winning NOW.

If you see passes sailing over receivers heads out of bound, you DONT want to throw it over a receivers head in the middle.

Nothing in Tomlins history shows that he will handcuff a QB who is on fire. Nothing.

ONE STEELER HEAD COACH IN SB ERA HISTORY had a QB lead the league in ATTEMPTS.

Handcuffing a QB who is playing well? Martyball?
Bill Cowher did THAT. Heck he was a literal Marty DISCIPLE

As always people attack Tomlin by describing Cowher.

But Cowher used Martyball with Ben to win it all. For two seasons until the playoffs it was Martyball and took the shackles off Ben and took the league by surprise with his 2005 post season.

I would suggest that would be THE ONLY route to beating a better QB and winning in the playoffs this season.

In order to replicate that, you have to surprise teams with a hand you have not played though the season.

[Captain Lemming]

What Tomlin doesn't seem to understand is that the simplicity of the offense makes it MORE risky since every WR is blanketed. If they could scheme guys open they'd be safe AND productive.

But here is the disconnect. Your complaint is that Tomlin dictates the offense be safe. Likely true. But that does not mean he dictates it not be creative. That is the OC.

Tomlin is responsible for the hire. He wants safe throws. But I seriously doubt he is INSTRUCTING Canada to only call predictable plays.

[WindyCitySteel]

But here is the disconnect. Your complaint is that Tomlin dictates the offense be safe. Likely true. But that does not mean he dictates it not be creative. That is the OC.

Tomlin is responsible for the hire. He wants safe throws. But I seriously doubt he is INSTRUCTING Canada to only call predictable plays.

Fair point, but he's put up with it for three years. If Rooney is forbidding him from firing him, we got real problems.

[T.Ferguson]

But here is the disconnect. Your complaint is that Tomlin dictates the offense be safe. Likely true. But that does not mean he dictates it not be creative. That is the OC.

Tomlin is responsible for the hire. He wants safe throws. But I seriously doubt he is INSTRUCTING Canada to only call predictable plays.

You seriously doubt that? Based on what exactly? It's very possible he wants those kinds of plays and just expects his players to execute better than the other team. I mean it's been 3 seasons and Canada is still calling the same garbage so one would assume Tomlin is more than fine with it.

[BURGH86STEEL]

You seriously doubt that? Based on what exactly? It's very possible he wants those kinds of plays and just expects his players to execute better than the other team. I mean it's been 3 seasons and Canada is still calling the same garbage so one would assume Tomlin is more than fine with it.

Game by game basis. "EXACTLY" speaking,