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  • Steel Maniac
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    • Apr 2017
    • 19472

    #16
    Originally posted by Eich
    I can't really argue with that unfortunately. One glimmer of hope is that the run game seems to be coming alive. Maybe we can ground-and-pound our way into 20+ points per game. And if we can run consistently, surely things will improve in the passing game.
    That is the glimmer of hope we need to hang on to.

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    • hawaiiansteel
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      • May 2008
      • 35315

      #17
      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
      This offense is a Pinto, if Kenny drives it perfectly they might score 3 more PPG, and nobody can play perfectly.

      Sorry, we're stuck with this until a serious OC is brought in.
      unfortunately, I agree with this.

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      • WindyCitySteel
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        • Nov 2011
        • 15525

        #18
        Originally posted by Eich
        I can't really argue with that unfortunately. One glimmer of hope is that the run game seems to be coming alive. Maybe we can ground-and-pound our way into 20+ points per game. And if we can run consistently, surely things will improve in the passing game.
        There is so much they can set up with a good run game but they refuse. I honestly think Tomlin despises the passing game and drafted Kenny to be this game manager and just not turn it over.

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        • T.Ferguson
          Pro Bowler
          • Sep 2021
          • 2377

          #19
          Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
          All the more reason to help him out with scheme, if he misses the one open guy in 20 plays it's magnified.
          Exactly, every mistake KP makes in this offense is magnified x100 because of the offense itself and the coaches behind it calling the shots.

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          • Captain Lemming
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            • Jun 2008
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            #20
            Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
            All the more reason to help him out with scheme, if he misses the one open guy in 20 plays it's magnified.
            If he misses guys on dangerous throws it is a pick. If he has picks we lose. If we lose no playoffs. If no playoffs no playoff loss.

            So yes, if your goal is no playoff loss, I understand your strategy for letting Kenny throw inaccurate passes that are dangerous.

            It might even get a coach fired which to some would be awesome.

            Sadly, it is not in a coaches best interest to lose more games and get fired.

            Not likely a strategy Tomlin will employ.
            Last edited by Captain Lemming; 11-17-2023, 01:08 PM.
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            In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

            TCFCLTC-
            The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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            • NorthCoast
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              • Sep 2008
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              #21
              Originally posted by Buzz
              I don't. I think Tomlin is largely just saying what he knows the fans want to hear.
              So you think that Tomlin thinks KP's play is above the line?

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              • Captain Lemming
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                • Jun 2008
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                #22
                Originally posted by T.Ferguson
                Exactly, every mistake KP makes in this offense is magnified x100 because of the offense itself and the coaches behind it calling the shots.
                Actually, what magnifies an errant pass is it?s being caught by the wrong team. Until accuracy improves, SAFE is keeping us in the playoff picture.
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                In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                TCFCLTC-
                The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                • Captain Lemming
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                  • Jun 2008
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                  This offense is a Pinto, if Kenny drives it perfectly they might score 3 more PPG, and nobody can play perfectly.

                  Sorry, we're stuck with this until a serious OC is brought in.
                  Bad analogy. As the car represents the PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS that relate to success, Kenny is the car (physical aspect) He is also the driver (mental aspect).

                  A driver can be trained (coaching) to be more or less of a risk taker. A skilled driver can take more risks.

                  Kenny will never have the best car. But in quarterbacking the best car doesn’t always win.

                  You have to skillfully drive that car. Skill CAN win even if you don’t have the best car. THIS IS WHAT WE NEED FROM KENNY.

                  If you do not have the TOP END skills, AND a lesser car, you cannot win. Telling a lesser skilled driver to just floor it will only result in a crash, not a win.
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                  In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                  TCFCLTC-
                  The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                  • Chucktownsteeler
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                    • May 2008
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                    #24
                    We need more PA, screen passes, and a few QB scrambles from KP8.
                    Help me find my post proving I am a Yinzer!

                    I will tip my hat to Tomlin if he has a winning record and the team makes the play-offs in the upcoming season.

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                    • Captain Lemming
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                      • Jun 2008
                      • 15979

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Chucktownsteeler
                      We need more PA, screen passes, and a few QB scrambles from KP8.
                      Agree here completely. We are upping play action.

                      We really need to lean into it with our run game looking scary now.
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                      In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                      TCFCLTC-
                      The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                      • WindyCitySteel
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                        • Nov 2011
                        • 15525

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                        Bad analogy. As the car represents the PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS that relate to success, Kenny is the car (physical aspect) He is also the driver (mental aspect).

                        A driver can be trained (coaching) to be more or less of a risk taker. A skilled driver can take more risks.

                        Kenny will never have the best car. But in quarterbacking the best car doesn’t always win.

                        You have to skillfully drive that car. Skill CAN win even if you don’t have the best car. THIS IS WHAT WE NEED FROM KENNY.

                        If you do not have the TOP END skills, AND a lesser car, you cannot win. Telling a lesser skilled driver to just floor it will only result in a crash, not a win.
                        Sorry, I think my analogy was superior -- you can only drive what they give you, i.e. the offense. And for the millionth time, nobody is saying to floor it.

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                        • NorthCoast
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                          • Sep 2008
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Chucktownsteeler
                          We need more PA, screen passes, and a few QB scrambles from KP8.
                          In PA you are asking the QB to turn his back to the defense for an extra second. For a QB struggling to read a defense it sure doesn't sound like a good strategy.

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                          • WindyCitySteel
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                            • Nov 2011
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by NorthCoast
                            In PA you are asking the QB to turn his back to the defense for an extra second. For a QB struggling to read a defense it sure doesn't sound like a good strategy.
                            He's excelled in his limited attempts at PA this year, though. The idea is to freeze the LBs and get a wide open receiver. It's a smart, effective offensive strategy which is why the Steelers don't use it much.

                            In fact, I'll bet Tomlin's excuse is related to exactly what you said -- he's afraid Kenny won't see a pass rusher and fumble. Too much risk.

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                            • Captain Lemming
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                              • Jun 2008
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                              Sorry, I think my analogy was superior -- you can only drive what they give you, i.e. the offense. And for the millionth time, nobody is saying to floor it.
                              Legs are literally referred to as wheels my brother. There is a reason for that.

                              The offense is HOW one is directed to play, and the STRATEGIES used.

                              A car is the physical means used to move forward. A problem with a car is a physical limitation.

                              You know I am right, you are not dense.
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                              In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                              TCFCLTC-
                              The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                              • Chucktownsteeler
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                                • May 2008
                                • 6763

                                #30
                                Originally posted by NorthCoast
                                In PA you are asking the QB to turn his back to the defense for an extra second. For a QB struggling to read a defense it sure doesn't sound like a good strategy.
                                PA keeps the defense honest, freezes the rush (DL and LB) and gives the WRs better chance for separation. Got to start working it in as well as screen passes and help this young QB out.

                                When you have a running attack like this, PA can be a very affective weapon.
                                Help me find my post proving I am a Yinzer!

                                I will tip my hat to Tomlin if he has a winning record and the team makes the play-offs in the upcoming season.

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