Lamar signs 5 year extension

[Steel Maniac]

not sure if you realize this.
but this the opposite kind of thinking of what you thought about ben?s extension in 2018.

exactly.............

[feltdizz]

not sure if you realize this.
but this the opposite kind of thinking of what you thought about ben?s extension in 2018.

Ben was in 15th season. The chances of success at that age is slim to none.

This is typically when most franchises move on from a franchise QB.

Peyton
Montana
Rodgers
Favre
Wilson

Guys like Rivers and Eli road it out and none of them had success at the end of their careers either.

Not sure if you realize it but we are talking about the first big contract for QB’s after their rookie deal. I had no issues with Ben’s first 2 contracts. I
wanted to move him in 2019 for picks to
start the rebuild.

[feltdizz]

You guys are waaaay underselling Herbert. The thing that hurts Herbert is he his coach (Staley) is bottom 8 (maybe even bottom 4) in the league. If Herbert were with the Ravens (for example) (heaven forbid) they Ravens would be right up there with the Chiefs as far as Super Bowl contenders.

Herbert is a talent but he isn’t perfect. He reminds me of Rivers, stats like crazy but always “almost” winning games they need.

[NJ-STEELER]

Ben was in 15th season. The chances of success at that age is slim to none.

slim to none. brady with a couple of titles and peyton both won in their late 30s. 3 titles in the last 8 years. sounds like a better chance then slim or none

This is typically when most franchises move on from a franchise QB.

Peyton
Montana
Rodgers
Favre
Wilson

no one moved on from rodgers and wilson at the time in 2018.
peyton missed a whole year due to a neck injury, montana's back was a mess

what major injury did ben have at the time of his extension?

Guys like Rivers and Eli road it out and none of them had success at the end of their careers either.

rivers (even older then ben ) led his team to a 12-4 record in 2018

brady and brees were both older then ben with more years in the league and signed very similiar contracts that the steelers signed ben to

Not sure if you realize it but we are talking about the first big contract for QB?s after their rookie deal. I had no issues with Ben?s first 2 contracts.

sounds like more double talk from you
I
wanted to move him in 2019 for picks to
start the rebuild.

here are quotes from you in this thread

...The advantage is picking a HOF QB and having the right combination of players....

....Most will undervalue talent because they want championships when the reality is FO?s want players who can help the team reach the playoffs for a chance at a championship...

....No team is going to move on from a QB who can consistently win games and give their team a high probability of making the playoffs every year for the unknown...

going by that, why exactly should the steelers have not signed ben to an extension?

[feltdizz]

here are quotes from you in this thread

...The advantage is picking a HOF QB and having the right combination of players....

....Most will undervalue talent because they want championships when the reality is FO?s want players who can help the team reach the playoffs for a chance at a championship...

....No team is going to move on from a QB who can consistently win games and give their team a high probability of making the playoffs every year for the unknown...

going by that, why exactly should the steelers have not signed ben to an extension?

Manning was dragged to his last SB win. He only started 9 games that season and went 7-2. Year before that he balled out. No issue admitting that.

But that leaves Brady.. and no one else. That isn’t a long list of quarterbacks.

No one moved on from Wilson and Rodgers in 2018 because Wilson was drafted in 2012 and Rodgers didn’t play full time until 2008. GB moved on from Rodgers in his 15th season as a starter.

Saints and Chargers won what? Sure, they won over 10 games but Saints were in cap hell and Payton retired and the Chargers moved on from Rivers after 2018. Not sure Rivers helps your argument.

Its not double speak. This thread is about Lamar’s FIRST big contract and the debate with NB was if it was a good idea to sign a Herbert and/or Lamar to these contracts because they haven’t had much playoff success. The debate was never about keeping a QB for his 16th season vs moving on. Any QB that wins a SB or makes a SB on a rookie deal is worth keeping. We all agree on that point.

Would you sign Herbert or move on from him?

[whisper]

Did you know the Bears won 3 games last year with a QB on a rookie deal?

Did you know the Bears haven?t won a playoff game with a QB on a rookie deal since 2010?

the rookie lottery is risky if you make the wrong selection and can set you back much farther than a market level contract for a known quantity at QB.

Other than Ben and Dan Marino all rookie QBs mostly suck. Manning, Elway, Aikman, you name them.

[Northern_Blitz]

I think Baltimore feels great about signing Lamar and the Chargers will also feel great about signing Herbert. Its big money but ite also stability at the position.

Not sure why people think teams don?t feel good about keeping players they drafted who play well for them.

Because they are big contracts with lots of gaurantees that they can't avoid by cutting guys.

You are probably right that they feel good right after they get it inked. But they have to be looking at deals like Wilson and Watson with huge guarantees for guys that looked much worse than expected. I wonder if the Jets will have the same remorse with Rodgers?

The benefit of signing your own guy is that you already know how he performs in your system.

But if you want to win, you have to be concerned that these big contracts shorten your window (those double options will come home to roost eventually). And you already didn't do much when your QB was performing well and was super cheap.

[Steel Maniac]

Because they are big contracts with lots of gaurantees that they can't avoid by cutting guys.

You are probably right that they feel good right after they get it inked. But they have to be looking at deals like Wilson and Watson with huge guarantees for guys that looked much worse than expected. I wonder if the Jets will have the same remorse with Rodgers?

The benefit of signing your own guy is that you already know how he performs in your system.

But if you want to win, you have to be concerned that these big contracts shorten your window (those double options will come home to roost eventually). And you already didn't do much when your QB was performing well and was super cheap.

But..........

if your franchise QB doesn't have the ability to carry the offense, I don't see why you make that type of financial commitment.

2200
2400
2800

The last 3 years of LJ passing yards;

[feltdizz]

Because they are big contracts with lots of gaurantees that they can't avoid by cutting guys.

You are probably right that they feel good right after they get it inked. But they have to be looking at deals like Wilson and Watson with huge guarantees for guys that looked much worse than expected. I wonder if the Jets will have the same remorse with Rodgers?

The benefit of signing your own guy is that you already know how he performs in your system.

But if you want to win, you have to be concerned that these big contracts shorten your window (those double options will come home to roost eventually). And you already didn't do much when your QB was performing well and was super cheap.

I think a FO has remorse anytime a high pick doesn’t pan out and surely they have remorse if a high priced pick fails. But not when they are offering the contract because you are thinking about the best outcomes or else you wouldn’t offer to pay all that money.

I think its different when you make moves for a proven vet in the backend of their career. Jets just drafted a rookie QB 2 years ago 2nd overall and already gave up on him for Rodgers. Might as well take a shot since you screwed up the draft pick. Do you know any Jets fans who hate this signing? ESPN talking head Greenie said people were congratulating him like he just had a baby at the draft when they found out the Jets officially got Rodgers.

[feltdizz]

But..........

if your franchise QB doesn't have the ability to carry the offense, I don't see why you make that type of financial commitment.

2200
2400
2800

The last 3 years of LJ passing yards;

its actually

2022: 2200 yards passing, 760 yards rushing 8-4 record
2021: 2900 yards passing, 760 yards rushing 7-5 record
2020: 2750 yards passing, 1000 yards rushing 11-4 record

That?s a pretty good winning percentage

[Eich]

its actually

2022: 2200 yards passing, 760 yards rushing 8-4 record
2021: 2900 yards passing, 760 yards rushing 7-5 record
2020: 2750 yards passing, 1000 yards rushing 11-4 record

That?s a pretty good winning percentage

That's all well and good until the legs give out and the wideouts are demanding the ball more. If he doesn't start breaking into the 3k+ yards passing, I don't see them making a lot of noise in the playoffs. The wideouts will though!

[hawaiiansteel]

Only franchise qb that can't get his money from original team that drafted him. Hmmm . Wonder why he seems to be the exception? Goat gloat gloat

you were saying?

another one of your time based predictions that aged well...lmao

gloat gloat gloat

[NJ-STEELER]

Manning was dragged to his last SB win. He only started 9 games that season and went 7-2. Year before that he balled out. No issue admitting that.

But that leaves Brady.. and no one else. That isn?t a long list of quarterbacks.

No one moved on from Wilson and Rodgers in 2018 because Wilson was drafted in 2012 and Rodgers didn?t play full time until 2008. GB moved on from Rodgers in his 15th season as a starter.

Saints and Chargers won what? Sure, they won over 10 games but Saints were in cap hell and Payton retired and the Chargers moved on from Rivers after 2018. Not sure Rivers helps your argument.

Its not double speak. This thread is about Lamar?s FIRST big contract and the debate with NB was if it was a good idea to sign a Herbert and/or Lamar to these contracts because they haven?t had much playoff success. The debate was never about keeping a QB for his 16th season vs moving on. Any QB that wins a SB or makes a SB on a rookie deal is worth keeping. We all agree on that point.

Would you sign Herbert or move on from him?

It?s simple
I took what you said and applied it to bens situation.

are you trying to say a team doesn?t want to win ( one of your quotes) when the QB is older? In his 15th season?

[Steel Maniac]

That's all well and good until the legs give out and the wideouts are demanding the ball more. If he doesn't start breaking into the 3k+ yards passing, I don't see them making a lot of noise in the playoffs. The wideouts will though!

Exactly…… marquess brown didn't wait for his career to get ruined by him.

[hawaiiansteel]

Exactly…… marquess brown didn't wait for his career to get ruined by him.

stop your lying, Ravens were able to trade Brown for a first round draft pick so playing with Lamar obviously didn't hurt his value.

and he had nothing but great things to say about LJ after he left.

your attempts to move the goalposts on all of your wrong prediction are sad and pathetic.

it's time to shut your pie hole Steel Maniac.