Lamar signs 5 year extension

[Northern_Blitz]

You would get fired if you moved on from Herbert.

I think making the playoffs more times than not is all you need to do.

and it depends on the org as well. You have been in a playoff drought for 10 years or so.. you damn sure should pay the QB who makes it a few times or finally makes it and wins a game.

I certainly would get fired from moving on from Herbert.

Again, because teams are trying to make money. And I want to win.

And if you can't win when you're cheap, I'd imagine that you aren't going to win when you're expensive.

The rookie payscale started in 2011.

I wonder how many guys got to a SB that didn't get to a conference championship on their rookie deal?

Or how many guys got to a conference championship that didn't win a playoff game on their rookie deal?

My guess is that the number isn't big, but I didn't check to see.

[Northern_Blitz]

I’m with you. Just posted the correct number of titles.

I hope like heck our qb is good enough to get a “ cap killing contract”

I hope he's good enough to earn one.

But that's not the same thing as getting one.

[Northern_Blitz]

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But the position is so desperate, you saw the Vikings swoop in and they've been just treading water with him. Which is exactly what the Redskins foresaw in Cousins; a water treading QB that won't ever be able to win anything. The Ravens wanted to do the same thing with Lamar; but they looked around, didn't see anything legit that would be obtainable so they caved to him as well. I get it.
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Agreed SM.

There is a very strong incentive to "tread water".

In part because most management in the NFL is unstable. And front offices often make short term decisions that benefit having a job the next season over success in the longer term.

Like HCs that kick a FG when they're down 21 - 0 late. You're more likely to get fired if you get shut out. Even though kicking the FG in a situation like that is giving up on the game. Gregg Easterbrook (TMQ) used to write about that kind of stuff a lot. Not sure if he still write about the NFL...haven't looked at his site in a decade or so.

[Northern_Blitz]

bad analogy....

Your right. It was the wrong analogy.

It's like staying with someone who you don't love but are comfortable with. It's the safe thing to do. And it's hard to find someone. And often painful. Staying with the person you don't love means you can avoid the pain of looking for someone you do love. But it means you won't really be happy.

And that's what paying Kirk Cousins or Jimmy G big money is IMO.

[feltdizz]

It's not a "mistake" per say...it's about supply and demand; scarcity at the position.

There are 32 teams. There are really on 15 legit QB's in the league. After that, it's just "guys" at the position. So, any time you get a guy who can at least "half-way" play the position, ..that guy has you (the organization) by the balls because he knows he's a rare commodity.

That's why when the Redskins didn't let Cousins hold them hostage; they figured they could never win big time with him and let him move on. Remember how much of an outrage it was at the time?? But the Redskins were right about Cousins; why pay him a ton of money and he couldn't ever win anything.

But the position is so desperate, you saw the Vikings swoop in and they've been just treading water with him. Which is exactly what the Redskins foresaw in Cousins; a water treading QB that won't ever be able to win anything. The Ravens wanted to do the same thing with Lamar; but they looked around, didn't see anything legit that would be obtainable so they caved to him as well. I get it.

It will be hard for the league to actually pay QB's based on talent instead of scarcity of skill at the position. The scarcity issues is what drives these QB prices up. And I don't see that changing.

Not true about the Redskins.

Our goal was to sign Kirk to a long-term contract with the final objective of having him finish his career with the Redskins.On May 2nd, right after the draft, we made Kirk an offer that included the highest fully guaranteed amount upon signing for a quarterback in NFL history ($53 million) and guaranteed a total of $72 million for injury. The deal would have made him at least the second highest-paid player by average per year in NFL history.
But despite our repeated attempts, we have not received any offer from Kirk's agent this year.
Kirk has made it clear that he prefers to play on a year-to-year basis. While we would have liked to work out a long-term contract before this season, we accept his decision.

While I do agree Cousins isn?t anything special you once again showed that your personal opinion blinds you from the actual facts when it comes to these contracts and how teams view their players.

If the Ravens didn?t want Lamar they wouldn?t have made him the highest paid player in the history of the game when they had the great Huntley on the cheap to replace him.

[feltdizz]

Your right. It was the wrong analogy.

It's like staying with someone who you don't love but are comfortable with. It's the safe thing to do. And it's hard to find someone. And often painful. Staying with the person you don't love means you can avoid the pain of looking for someone you do love. But it means you won't really be happy.

And that's what paying Kirk Cousins or Jimmy G big money is IMO.

These teams are paying these guys because its the best options they believe they have. They know its a crap shoot to find a Wilson, Purdy or whoever comes out of the draft in the mid or late first round.

I think its more like going to the Prom with a girl who looks hot in makeup but has some personality flaws. Do you dump her at the prom and try to hook up with some of the single girls or other girls who got dumped or stick with your date who laughs at most of your jokes and just might let you score? lol

There are only so many hot chicks and every year a new class comes in but unless you are at the front door when they come in you are probably leaving with a dog. Sometimes its rare but that dog got body and actually blossoms into something.

[Steel Maniac]

I certainly would get fired from moving on from Herbert.

Again, because teams are trying to make money. And I want to win.

And if you can't win when you're cheap, I'd imagine that you aren't going to win when you're expensive.

The rookie payscale started in 2011.

I wonder how many guys got to a SB that didn't get to a conference championship on their rookie deal?

Or how many guys got to a conference championship that didn't win a playoff game on their rookie deal?

My guess is that the number isn't big, but I didn't check to see.

Herbert is a beast; he doesn’t have the coach Mahomes has or he’d be waaay farther up the chain.

Reid is more significant to Mahomes greatness than given credit for.

[hawaiiansteel]

I certainly would get fired from moving on from Herbert.

yes, you would.

[feltdizz]

yes, you would.

NB giving his reasoning to Screaming A on ESPN after being fired.

“If you look at history and rookies on the salary cap...”

[Northern_Blitz]

NB giving his reasoning to Screaming A on ESPN after being fired.

“If you look at history and rookies on the salary cap...”

No. Like most GMs, I'd resign him to a massive deal and get a few more years of that sweet GM salary. And they'd fire me a couple years later because my team never won anything even though I had a "franchise QB".

After that, I'd spend many days at my beach house reminiscing about the past and wondering if I'd have had more success if my ownership group gave me the freedom to really try to win.

On a side note, did you know that in 2014 Jay Cutler was the highest paid QB in the NFL? When he signed that contract, he'd been to the playoffs in one season (2010) in his eight year career. They played 2 playoff games and went 1-1. In those 2 games, he had a completion percentage of 50%, had 2 TDs and 1 INT. Never never went to the playoffs again.

[feltdizz]

No. Like most GMs, I'd resign him to a massive deal and get a few more years of that sweet GM salary. And they'd fire me a couple years later because my team never won anything even though I had a "franchise QB".

After that, I'd spend many days at my beach house reminiscing about the past and wondering if I'd have had more success if my ownership group gave me the freedom to really try to win.

On a side note, did you know that in 2014 Jay Cutler was the highest paid QB in the NFL? When he signed that contract, he'd been to the playoffs in one season (2010) in his eight year career. They played 2 playoff games and went 1-1. In those 2 games, he had a completion percentage of 50%, had 2 TDs and 1 INT. Never never went to the playoffs again.

Did you know the Bears won 3 games last year with a QB on a rookie deal?

Did you know the Bears haven?t won a playoff game with a QB on a rookie deal since 2010?

the rookie lottery is risky if you make the wrong selection and can set you back much farther than a market level contract for a known quantity at QB.

[Northern_Blitz]

Did you know the Bears won 3 games last year with a QB on a rookie deal?

Did you know the Bears haven?t won a playoff game with a QB on a rookie deal since 2010?

the rookie lottery is risky if you make the wrong selection and can set you back much farther than a market level contract for a known quantity at QB.

The argument isn't that all QBs on rookie deals are going to be great. No one has ever said that ever.

It's that if you don't have success on a rookie deal, it's unlikely that you will have success on a market level deal.

For Herbert, you have to sign him. But I think he'll be like Lamar in that you won't really feel great about it. Again, I think being in the AFC and in Mahomes' division hurts him. Odds are they won't get a better guy in the draft though.

And to us, the question will be about KP not Herbert. If he's as good as Herbert is, I think we'd also have to sign him (even without playoff success). I hope he ends up being better than Herbert. Because then it's a sure thing where you have not issues when you end up signing a guy to be the highest paid player in the league.

[feltdizz]

The argument isn't that all QBs on rookie deals are going to be great. No one has ever said that ever.

It's that if you don't have success on a rookie deal, it's unlikely that you will have success on a market level deal.

For Herbert, you have to sign him. But I think he'll be like Lamar in that you won't really feel great about it. Again, I think being in the AFC and in Mahomes' division hurts him. Odds are they won't get a better guy in the draft though.

And to us, the question will be about KP not Herbert. If he's as good as Herbert is, I think we'd also have to sign him (even without playoff success). I hope he ends up being better than Herbert. Because then it's a sure thing where you have not issues when you end up signing a guy to be the highest paid player in the league.

I think Baltimore feels great about signing Lamar and the Chargers will also feel great about signing Herbert. Its big money but ite also stability at the position.

Not sure why people think teams don’t feel good about keeping players they drafted who play well for them.

[Steel Maniac]

You guys are waaaay underselling Herbert. The thing that hurts Herbert is he his coach (Staley) is bottom 8 (maybe even bottom 4) in the league. If Herbert were with the Ravens (for example) (heaven forbid) they Ravens would be right up there with the Chiefs as far as Super Bowl contenders.

[NJ-STEELER]

These teams are paying these guys because its the best options they believe they have. They know its a crap shoot to find a Wilson, Purdy or whoever comes out of the draft in the mid or late first round.

I think its more like going to the Prom with a girl who looks hot in makeup but has some personality flaws. Do you dump her at the prom and try to hook up with some of the single girls or other girls who got dumped or stick with your date who laughs at most of your jokes and just might let you score? lol

There are only so many hot chicks and every year a new class comes in but unless you are at the front door when they come in you are probably leaving with a dog. Sometimes it?s rare but that dog got body and actually blossoms into something.

not sure if you realize this.
but this the opposite kind of thinking of what you thought about ben?s extension in 2018.