Divisional Playoffs thread

[whisper]

losing Von Miller really hurt the Bills defense.

It did, he ended up not being there for what they signed him for: pressure in the post-season. Didn't really need him in regular season.

[WindyCitySteel]

The only thing PFF has over F.O. is better marketing.

Yeah, no. PFF is smart enough not to grade the OL well for a RBs broken tackles behind the LOS.

[whisper]

Football Outsiders. They actually adjust for strength of opponents unlike PFF. Regardless, the point still stands. Steelers coaches made substantial improvements over the season.

Or their opponents took substantial drops in quality over the season - all tomato cans last 6 games: Colts, Falcons, Balt (missing QB starter), Panthers, LV, Balt (still missing QB starter), Browns. That's like the who's who of tomato cans.

[hawaiiansteel]

The Bills need to blitz because Burrow is picking that zone apart. I know this is their style of D but if they don't adjust then good luck.

losing Von Miller really hurt the Bills defense.

[NorthCoast]

So it IS results based. Meh.

The only thing PFF has over F.O. is better marketing.

[crushedspirit]

The Bills need to blitz because Burrow is picking that zone apart. I know this is their style of D but if they don't adjust then good luck.

[crushedspirit]

So it IS results based. Meh.

They would be the only ones with the Steelers at #10 since I haven't seen that anywhere else.

[WindyCitySteel]

They're all subjective, but having been a football outsider member before, I find their numbers to be even more subjective when it comes to offensive line rankings.

• Losses: 120% value
• 0-4 Yards: 100% value
• 5-10 Yards: 50% value
• 11+ Yards: 0% value

These numbers are then adjusted based on down, distance, situation, opponent, and the difference in rushing average between shotgun compared to standard formations. Finally, we normalize the numbers so that the league average for Adjusted Line Yards per carry is the same as the league average for RB yards per carry

• 0-4 yards: 100% strength
• 5-10 yards: 50% strength
• 11+ yards: not included
• runs for a loss: 120% strength

Each play is also adjusted based on game situation as well as quality of opponents faced. Adjusted Line Yards can be listed as total or broken down by direction to attempt to isolate ability of specific linemen

I'm more of a fan of the raw numbers like pressure rate, sack conversion rate, and yards before contact. All are available on PFF.

So it IS results based. Meh.

[crushedspirit]

Football Outsiders. They actually adjust for strength of opponents unlike PFF. Regardless, the point still stands. Steelers coaches made substantial improvements over the season.

They're all subjective, but having been a football outsider member before, I find their numbers to be even more subjective when it comes to offensive line rankings.

• Losses: 120% value
• 0-4 Yards: 100% value
• 5-10 Yards: 50% value
• 11+ Yards: 0% value

These numbers are then adjusted based on down, distance, situation, opponent, and the difference in rushing average between shotgun compared to standard formations. Finally, we normalize the numbers so that the league average for Adjusted Line Yards per carry is the same as the league average for RB yards per carry

• 0-4 yards: 100% strength
• 5-10 yards: 50% strength
• 11+ yards: not included
• runs for a loss: 120% strength

Each play is also adjusted based on game situation as well as quality of opponents faced. Adjusted Line Yards can be listed as total or broken down by direction to attempt to isolate ability of specific linemen

I'm more of a fan of the raw numbers like pressure rate, sack conversion rate, and yards before contact. All are available on PFF.

[T.Ferguson]

Benglas a team of destiny this year maybe? Burrow looks like a zombie when he's on the sideline lol, no facial expression at all.

[WindyCitySteel]

Football Outsiders. They actually adjust for strength of opponents unlike PFF. Regardless, the point still stands. Steelers coaches made substantial improvements over the season.

I find that hard to believe, they improved against tomato cans and lept to 10th?

Also, are the grades contextual, or do they just grade on results? e.g. If the line all miss blocks the the RB breaks tackles and runs 80 yards, do they still grade well?

[NorthCoast]

Where are you getting these rankings?

PFF has them at #7 and #16 respectively

Football Outsiders. They actually adjust for strength of opponents unlike PFF. Regardless, the point still stands. Steelers coaches made substantial improvements over the season.

[WindyCitySteel]

Anyone know what Damar is eating during the game?

[crushedspirit]

Allen is a beast when he gets running

[WindyCitySteel]

Bills really need a TD here.