Joel, Captain Lemming, North Coast, Northern_Blitz, Oviedo, Whisper

[Steel Maniac]

This seems like a reasonable way to think about it.

I"m not sure that is reasonable. I think it should be a process to always evaluate your staff if there is a firing or a key figure moves on to another organization. What's going on isn't working right now. Especially when it comes to the OC position. It's just not.

[feltdizz]

If Rooney did push Canada on Tomlin, then this is alarming news. Because Rooney is a lawyer; stay out of the day to day running of the team. You hire football people to make football decisions. Let them do their jobs.

Its Rooney’s team. Its really no different than most NFL teams. We think the HC runs the show but there are different levels based on responsibilities.

Billicheat has a ton of power, yet there was also an obvious power struggle with Brady and Kraft.

Andy Reid runs the offense. Beinemy may just be a figurehead like Bryan Leftwich. Who really calls the plays? Lefty not looking so hot right now without BA.

I think Tomlin is fine with the way things are structured in Pittsburgh. Maybe he has more power than we know but wouldn’t be surprised if this is how things are done and once we clear the cap of all this dead money we see the team turn the corner.

While fans HATE losing playoff games I think Rooney is patient and probably sees playoff appearances while we are rebuilding as success even though we are getting curb stomped in the playoffs.

Next year is when O think fans really have a right to complain if we are still struggling. The first year after losing a HOFer with this schedule is not the time to demand excellence. This is the time for patience.

[whisper]

Tomlin interviews and hires the coaches for the team. They are his hires, the GM handles the contacts. It might be a collaborate effort but the coaching hires at at least 75/25 by Tomlin. Rooney as the owner has veto power but he hardly uses it. All make sure the coaches are a fit and get a thumbs up or down. Ask your self the question do you think so and so will be good hire for the team? If you get thumbs up from the people asked the chances for a hire and offer are excellent. I've been involved in the hire process for a major company before. This is how it works. I'd image the Steelers are not that different.

I detailed this in another post: Rooneys make hiring and firing decisions at the OC and DC level, although they don't promote it, don't want to be accountable I guess. I doubt they are that engaged in hires lower than that. But bet your buttons they had to OK the Flores hire, especially with all that was going on with him.

The evidence for this assertion is how the firing of Arians was handled. Tomlin was on record on him wanting Bruce back, but then the kerfuffle was created where the team claimed Arians had retired, but Bruce came out and said that was a lie. Rooney made the call to not have Arians back; he greatly tired of not enough emphasis on the rush and too many plays where Ben was getting hit, after all, Arians favorite saying is "No risk it, no biscuit," and Pgh was sick of too many big hits on Ben.

The way Dick LeBeau left was another example of it being a Rooney call. I am sure they "run the coordinator hires" by Tomlin, but those are Rooney calls, all the way. They just don't publicize them. Like most things in Pgh, they bounce from accountability, say everything is a "group decision" so no one person takes the blame for anything. Just look at the draft for example.

[feltdizz]

I detailed this in another post: Rooneys make hiring and firing decisions at the OC and DC level, although they don't promote it, don't want to be accountable I guess. I doubt they are that engaged in hires lower than that. But bet your buttons they had to OK the Flores hire, especially with all that was going on with him.

The evidence for this assertion is how the firing of Arians was handled. Tomlin was on record on him wanting Bruce back, but then the kerfuffle was created where the team claimed Arians had retired, but Bruce came out and said that was a lie. Rooney made the call to not have Arians back; he greatly tired of not enough emphasis on the rush and too many plays where Ben was getting hit, after all, Arians favorite saying is "No risk it, no biscuit," and Pgh was sick of too many big hits on Ben.

The way Dick LeBeau left was another example of it being a Rooney call. I am sure they "run the coordinator hires" by Tomlin, but those are Rooney calls, all the way. They just don't publicize them. Like most things in Pgh, they bounce from accountability, say everything is a "group decision" so no one person takes the blame for anything. Just look at the draft for example.

In Ryan Clarks podcast Tomlin said he reached out to Flores to see how he was doing and when Flores said he still wanted to coach Tomlin said “let me call you back”’ and went down the hall and asked Rooney what he thought about hiring Flores.

Rooney said sure and Tomlin called him back with an offer to coach.

Now, another player on the podcast replied.. “damn, that easy?”

which implies some teams may require more back and forth before hiring a coach.

and while I liked BA lets be real, we kept hearing about how we were “this close” to it all coming together. We heard that for a while. I was okay with BA’s style because it had a bunch of splash plays but as the D started to age out, maybe the O really shows its warts because me our D had a few games where it outscored the offense under BA. We had some serious droughts with BA but we always came out fine in the end due to our defense.

[Oviedo]

I don't know why it is so hard to understand, but all hires are done by consensus. That is how this organization has always operated. No successful organization has one person making decisions without the team being on board. If you want a dictator, go be a Washington Commando fan.

It may not support agendas and the desire to "place blame" on one person who you have an agenda against, but it is highly unlikely and one person makes hire and fire decisions.

[Northern_Blitz]

I"m not sure that is reasonable. I think it should be a process to always evaluate your staff if there is a firing or a key figure moves on to another organization. What's going on isn't working right now. Especially when it comes to the OC position. It's just not.

That's what he said.

If when you are looking for a new person, you are also looking for a new system because the only one sucked, hire from the outside.

If when you are looking for a new person, you mostly want the same system because it was good, hire from inside.

It's probably a good first cut at what you need (maintenance or renewal).

[hackjam]

Dan was handed the team too. Art II was around this team his entire life. He helped this organization make it to 3 Superbowls. I don't know what you are talking about.

Dan (and Art Jr, not Art II) put in the work and spent 10+ years in the scouting and player personnel departments. Art II was what, general counsel?

I've spent my whole live living in a house, that doesn't necessarily mean that I know how to build it.

[Steel Maniac]

Dan (and Art Jr, not Art II) put in the work and spent 10+ years in the scouting and player personnel departments. Art II was what, general counsel?

I've spent my whole live living in a house, that doesn't necessarily mean that I know how to build it.

boom......

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

I don't know - I don't think any of us do. There have been lots of rumors and suggestions over the years, but what I would say for sure is:

1) Rooney has (and will exercise) final veto power over any of these moves.

2) Rooney will give his input, and his input carries weight. He is nowhere near a Jerry Jones, but he is not a silent owner either.

3) Rooney was the one who made the decision on firing Arians and bringing in Haley.

[hawaiiansteel]

Gentlemen’s Club?? I’m in.

there are some good ones here in Hawaii, you will have to come and visit sometime

[Chucktownsteeler]

there are some good ones here in Hawaii, you will have to come and visit sometime

I would love to.

[whisper]

there are some good ones here in Hawaii, you will have to come and visit sometime

How long is the plane ride from LA to HI?

[TheRealTazz864]

there are some good ones here in Hawaii, you will have to come and visit sometime

Which Island?? My sister lives there, somewhere (or that's the rumor...)

[Captain Lemming]

Not sure why there was a need to call out people by name. Especially when you insult half the people as “ball washers”

I have no idea who hires and fires the coordinators and I don’t think that information matters as much as some want to believe. Its Rooney’s team and we run things as a collective. Always have and always will unless the Rooneys sell the team.

Hopefully we give Kenny some input into what he likes to do as a QB instead of trying to force him into some lame cookie cutter scheme. I think this is why players like Allen, Hurts, etc are playing better football. Run plays that work to the QB’s strengths.

Hell, what is Whipple doing? Nevermind, he is at Nebraska making 850K a year. I believe Canada makes 700K.

Seriously, we need to go outside the org and pay some market rate wages if we want the offense to improve. I’m not mad at the defense overall. Buffalo game was a nightmare but overall they have done their job much better than the offense.

One other thing, we are young.. really
young on offense. People have to have more patience even though we watched this O underperform for the last few years. Gotta give a QB a full camp as the number 1 before truly evaluating an offense. If we have a high pick and our guy isn’t there, trade back and coloeft
kore picks.. upgrade the OL in the 1st rd, make an aggressive move in FA for a proven weapon on offense and we should be fine.

I wouldn’t be mad if we drafted Addison in the second at WR if he is still on the board. Do like Cincinnati and get Kenny a WR who knows his tendencies and how to react when Kenny breaks the pocket.

Dont try to explain away your blatant HOMERISM!!!

[hawaiiansteel]

Which Island?? My sister lives there, somewhere (or that's the rumor...)

I live on the main island of Oahu.