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  • Joel Buchsbaum
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    • Jan 2021
    • 7744

    My early camp thoughts.

    My early camp thoughts.

    QB Rudolph, yes Rudloph is the best out there at least for now, and this is utterly disapointing because we gave 3x his money to Trubisky and spent our first round pick on Pickett. Rudolph is a free agent next year.

    Trubisky has disapointed so far. Pickett is playing like a rookie QB who has limited game experience like Trey Lance so I can't excuse him and his multiple interceptions, in-accuracy, and overall play because he is " in-experience " on in college. Reports say ( if you believe them ) that he was the most NFL ready in the QB class. That doesn't appear to be the case and he's not playing well vs the 3rd stringers, which brings me back to Rudolph, who played reasonably well for a rookie in his 1st NFL camp...if you can remember. I'm not saying he's a bust. But so far I trust my own eyes that his arm is a little weak by the standard of NFL QB's and he was a one year wonder despite playing 40+ games vs weak competition. I'm judging him on his starting point, and I'm disappointed.


    Wide Receivers.

    Pickens. Wow. Are you seeing those highlight catches and not the check down variety vs the #1 defense? Are you seeing his speed? His vice like hands? His moves, and his size? He has a lot to learn in terms of routes, but this isn't a weekly type of event it's turning into a daily type of event. I am impressed. You've heard the term 50/50 balls? Well, with Pickens they are more like 60/40 catches.

    Austin III has shown good hand and moves. He's a keeper. Very quick and ultra-fast.

    I have heard much from Claypool. Johnson is basically sitting from palying and if he's traded for a 2nd round pick, which I hope he is, I'm totally fine with that because I think Pickens has better star potential, and Austin is a real keeper. Gunner has made plays, but his real value is on special teams.

    I may do the other position later. Don't shoot or congratulate the messenger!
    Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 07-30-2022, 10:04 AM.
    Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

    Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

    *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***
  • The Man of Steel
    Pro Bowler
    • Dec 2009
    • 2241

    #2
    Hopefully it’s just a case of Rudolph’s familiarity with the system that has him outshining the other 2 QB’s because otherwise the upcoming season is looking pretty bleak if Rudolph wins the starting job.
    Obviously the standard is the standard.

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    • Joel Buchsbaum
      Legend
      • Jan 2021
      • 7744

      #3
      Originally posted by The Man of Steel
      Hopefully it’s just a case of Rudolph’s familiarity with the system that has him outshining the other 2 QB’s because otherwise the upcoming season is looking pretty bleak if Rudolph wins the starting job.
      I've been to NFL camps before. In most cases the QB's most QB's do not have a problem completing basic passes. Yet we are. At least in Pickett's and Turbisky case. It is not like our receivers are disappointing. Perhaps Rudolph is rising up to the moment of many seeing Turbisky and Pickett being the man. It's not like the small school rookie Duck Hodges is going to push him and take his job this time. And that brings me to the point that Hodges was good enough to do well in camp, and started some games. As a rookie mind you. Yeah the OL stinks but yet Rudolph is competing the passes with accuracy.

      I am at the point where Rudolph starting is a reality that has to be taken seriously. I do not think that a good thing with him being a free agent next year, a new 2 year contact being given to Trubisky, and Pickett viewed as the future sucking at this point. The coaches for sure are talking about the situation. To be a fly on a wall, I can only image their thoughts behind closed doors.

      I could be wrong about Rudolph as a stating QB who plays noticeably better than last year. He has worked hard in the off season, but I think he pretty much is what he is by now.
      Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

      Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

      *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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      • Flasteel
        Hall of Famer
        • May 2008
        • 4008

        #4
        Mason Rudolph has “a great shot” at winning Steelers’ QB job, OC Matt Canada says

        Posted by Michael David Smith on July 30, 2022, 4:17 AM EDT



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        Mitch Trubisky is widely viewed as the favorite in the Steelers’ quarterback competition, unless rookie Kenny Pickett exceeds expectations in training camp. But there’s a third quarterback in the mix in Pittsburgh, and Steelers offensive coordinator Matt Canada says that quarterback, Mason Rudolph, is being given every opportunity to win the job.


        Canada said on 93.7 The Fan that Rudolph is very much in contention to win the job. “Mason’s getting the second reps right now, almost equal to, maybe slightly less than Mitch. He’s being given a very fair shot. To this point in camp, it might have been exactly equal. Mason has made a lot of plays at times, he’s played very well at times for us. He’s got a great shot at it. He’s being treated that way. His history with our plays, with our system, is a positive for him,” Canada said.


        Rudolph is heading into his fourth season with the Steelers, while Trubisky and Pickett are both newcomers, and Rudolph has started 10 games in Pittsburgh. Rudolph is more of a known quantity to the Steelers’ coaching staff, which might give him an edge, although the reality is that the Steelers will be disappointed if neither Trubisky nor Pickett looks good enough in camp to beat out Rudolph.
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        • WindyCitySteel
          Legend
          • Nov 2011
          • 15684

          #5
          Are you there watching or just repeating what you've seen and heard?

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          • WindyCitySteel
            Legend
            • Nov 2011
            • 15684

            #6
            Originally posted by Flasteel
            Mason Rudolph has “a great shot” at winning Steelers’ QB job, OC Matt Canada says
            "We really have no intention of trading him so don't even think of making an offer."

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            • Iron City Inc.
              Hall of Famer
              • Jun 2013
              • 3242

              #7
              As of now the sample size is just to small. MT n KP just getting introduced to the system. No live hitting yet. Can't get to high or low on anyone as to this point camp is just an extension of OTA's.
              One thing for sure there are a limited number of reps for the qb's. Getting 3 guys all the reps they need is not going to happen.

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              • whisper
                Legend
                • Mar 2020
                • 9423

                #8
                Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                I've been to NFL camps before. In most cases the QB's most QB's do not have a problem completing basic passes. Yet we are. At least in Pickett's and Turbisky case. It is not like our receivers are disappointing. Perhaps Rudolph is rising up to the moment of many seeing Turbisky and Pickett being the man. It's not like the small school rookie Duck Hodges is going to push him and take his job this time. And that brings me to the point that Hodges was good enough to do well in camp, and started some games. As a rookie mind you. Yeah the OL stinks but yet Rudolph is competing the passes with accuracy.

                I am at the point where Rudolph starting is a reality that has to be taken seriously. I do not think that a good thing with him being a free agent next year, a new 2 year contact being given to Trubisky, and Pickett viewed as the future sucking at this point. The coaches for sure are talking about the situation. To be a fly on a wall, I can only image their thoughts behind closed doors.

                I could be wrong about Rudolph as a stating QB who plays noticeably better than last year. He has worked hard in the off season, but I think he pretty much is what he is by now.
                The only way MR starts is by injury. There is no way they pick up MT and drafted KP in the 1st only to go back to MR, not gonna happen, even if by all measures, it should. They've seen enough of MR GAME DAY, and went to move on from what he brings. I can't even imagine how poorly both MT and KP would have to play, and how well MR would have to do in the PS to award MR With the starting job come Sept. 11th.

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                • Flasteel
                  Hall of Famer
                  • May 2008
                  • 4008

                  #9
                  'Crazy accurate' Mason Rudolph not backing down in Steelers' quarterback derby


                  RAY FITTIPALDO
                  Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
                  rfittipaldo@post-gazette.com


                  JUL 29, 2022
                  5:12 PM
                  Mason Rudolph was the forgotten man in this quarterback derby — and for good reason. The Steelers certainly didn’t act like he was their quarterback of the future following the retirement of Ben Roethlisberger.

                  Two months after Roethlisberger hung up his cleats, the Steelers singed Mitch Trubisky, and two months after that, they invested their first-round draft pick in Kenny Pickett.Rudolph could have pouted or requested a trade, but he did neither. He simply put his head down and went back to work.“I think I’ve been positive the entire time,” Rudolph said. “I knew all I needed was a chance to compete, and that’s what I’m going to get today, tomorrow and the rest of camp. I’m going to make the most of it.”

                  So far, he has.

                  This training camp is all about this quarterback competition, and the first week belonged to Rudolph.Trubisky is working exclusively with the first-team offense, but Rudolph has been the most consistent performer over the first three days of practice. He’s the only quarterback who hasn’t thrown an interception, and he’s methodically getting the ball out quickly and into the hands of his receivers.And perhaps Rudolph looking the most comfortable should not come as a surprise. He’s in his fifth season with the Steelers, his third season with Matt Canada and his second season with Canada as the offensive coordinator. Trubisky, meanwhile, has been here for 4½ months and Pickett barely three months.

                  “It’s crazy how accurate he is,” receiver Chase Claypool said. “He doesn’t get enough praise and attention. He’s just as much in the running as each of those guys.”Whether he is might be up for debate, but Rudolph clearly isn’t backing down from the challenge.

                  Three-way quarterback competitions are rare, but the Steelers had one 26 years ago. In 1996, after Neil O’Donnell left the Steelers in free agency following Super Bowl XXX, Jim Miller, Mike Tomczak and Kordell Stewart battled for the job. Miller won the job in training camp, was benched in Week 1 and the Steelers made the playoffs with Tomczak behind center. By 1997, Stewart was the starter and led the Steelers to the AFC championship game.

                  On Friday, Rudolph once again ran the second-team offense well. He was 2 for 3 with two touchdown passes in the “seven shots” drill after Trubisky went 0 for 4.“He’s been Mason,” coach Mike Tomlin said. “He’s taken advantage of opportunities. He’s been detailed. He’s doing a good job communicating with others. He’s been competitive, not anything out of the usual in terms of his approach to business.”

                  Tomlin said at the beginning of camp he’s not going to get caught up in the daily performances of his quarterbacks. Rudolph has not yet received work with the first-team offense, but he could soon if he continues to play well.“There will be a rotation,” Rudolph said. “Whatever reps I’m given, I’m going to make the most out of them. You’re always looking forward to getting reps with the 1s. Reps in this profession are few and far between, but it’s calming to know I have relationships with Chase and Diontae and Pat. I’ve played in games with those guys. They know me. We have a good connection, I believe.”

                  Pickett learning, moving on from mistakes
                  Pickett did not throw an interception on Friday. That’s the good news. The bad news is he should have. On his first play in the first team period, Pickett threw a sideline pass that was dropped by defensive back Linden Stephens.Pickett continued to get third-team reps and did not take a snap during “seven shots.”

                  “Obviously, two days in, you want to be perfect, but you’re never going to be,” Pickett said before Friday’s practice. “I’m learning the system. It’s the first time throwing to a lot of these guys consistently, so it’s not going to be perfect, but we’ll keep getting better as it goes.”Pickett threw interceptions in each of his first two practices, and he’s had a hard time finding a rhythm with his receivers.“I have to learn from it and move on,” Pickett said. “Both plays I can learn from, and I did. I took what I needed from it. It’s done with. There are a lot of throws left in camp, obviously.”

                  \Ray Fittipaldo: rfittipaldo@post-gazette.com and Twitter @rayfitt1.

                  First Published July 29, 2022, 5:12pm


                  Last edited by Flasteel; 07-30-2022, 10:55 AM.
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                  • feltdizz
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 27568

                    #10
                    Are people really surprised the QB who has been here the longest has the best start to camp?
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                    • feltdizz
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 27568

                      #11
                      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                      Are you there watching or just repeating what you've seen and heard?
                      lmao.. this is a great question.
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                      • whisper
                        Legend
                        • Mar 2020
                        • 9423

                        #12
                        Originally posted by feltdizz
                        Are people really surprised the QB who has been here the longest has the best start to camp?
                        .No, nor do I think it is all that relevant. And I believe the PS games will be set up for MT to excel and MR to struggle.

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                        • WindyCitySteel
                          Legend
                          • Nov 2011
                          • 15684

                          #13
                          Originally posted by whisper
                          .No, nor do I think it is all that relevant. And I believe the PS games will be set up for MT to excel and MR to struggle.
                          And Pickett to get 4th Q scraps.

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                          • Joel Buchsbaum
                            Legend
                            • Jan 2021
                            • 7744

                            #14
                            Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                            Are you there watching or just repeating what you've seen and heard?
                            The clips on the web all of them. I form my own opinion there. And I triangulation of the agreed upon consensus points on the web mixed in with my overall thoughts. I am not in camp. Sometimes you get a better view on the TV/web anyway. If I were in camp I could judge say Pickett's arm strength to say Rudolph or Turbisky. Has any reporter compared the three on arm strength?
                            Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 07-30-2022, 11:39 AM.
                            Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                            Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                            *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                            • feltdizz
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 27568

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                              The clips on the web all of them. I form my own opinion there. And I triangulation of the agreed upon consensus points on the web mixed in with my overall thoughts. I am not in camp. Sometimes you get a better view on the TV/web anyway. If I were in camp I could judge say Pickett's arm strength to say Rudolph or Turbisky. Has any reporter compared the three on arm streght?

                              No.. you don't get a better view on the web. This is like Kyler Murray saying there are "different way's to process and watch film"

                              Nothing wrong with having an opinion but the threat title made it sound like you were at camp.
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