Why does Willis have a higher ceiling than Pickett?

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I agree with your comments on Pickett's arm strength. He doesn't look to have the gun in short throws. He may be ok in downfield passes if he has the chance to put his body into the throw. On arm alone not sure it's there.


I didn't want the Steelers to draft a QB this season. But I struggle with calling it a wasted pick. After all, the hit rate on starting QBs is something less than 50% meaning you have to take chances when they arise. That chance happened because the Steelers had their pick of the top QBs in the class. that is a very rare occurrence for them. Regardless of the perceived strength of the class it was the right thing to take the chance.

Yes on the arm. No one the pick even though he was the first QB off the board, he was also the only QB taken to round three! Speculation is we could have had him in round two. And next year the 3rd QB taken will be view more favorably than he is. It was a weak QB class. Yeah this year we had the pick of the litter but it wasn't a very good litter. We took out shot. Yep. I'm mixed and wanted Lloyd in round one and Corral in round three.

[Shawn]

Accuracy is #1 but if you have an average arm, you limit the playbook and are going to be out sooner or later. Arm strength can vary in importance. I think you need a little bit better than average which it what Pickett has. I think. The way to know for sure is to test it out, with your people. The are two ways to measure arm strength. 1 ) is range where Pickett rates good. 2 ) is velocity or for lack of a better word MPH. Here my eye rates him as average. Can he drill the outs, deep skinny post and square ins? I say he'll add some zip on throws but not enough to be considered good, very good, or great. We'll see what type of arm he has in the tighter windows of the NFL. He'll need it more than most as he plays the majority of his games in bad weather cold stadiums, not in domes and " weather stadiums " stadiums.

People view his upside can compare him to Andy Dalton. Dalton in his prime was a starting caliber average QB on a bad team. If you put a good team around him you can win. I think Pickett potential / upside is little bit better than Daltons but not exactly what your looking for which is top 12 QB in terms of potential and production which is what we need and want. That's my take on his upside. He's not Ben who was a top 8 QB for many years, as high has #3 or #4 in the NFL, maybe #1 or #2 for a year as there was someone named Brady, Rodgers and Bees playing back then. A franchise quarterback any way you slice it.

I think Andy Dalton is a very good comparison. Pickett does have a decent arm but his balls tend to float. You can get away with that in college but not the pros. I see Pickett more as a solid game manager type.

[Prowler]

I suspect the higher ceiling evaluators of Willis are likely the woke ones who have a narrative and agenda for the poor oppressed professional athlete. Life is hard when you go from making millions per year to living under a cardboard box.

[Captain Lemming]

I suspect the higher ceiling evaluators of Willis are likely the woke ones who have a narrative and agenda for the poor oppressed professional athlete. Life is hard when you go from making millions per year to living under a cardboard box.

Nah you can always tell agenda driven people because rather than give a football opinion, they use silly political buzzwords rather than adding anything substantive to the discussion.

[Northern_Blitz]

Yes on the arm. No one the pick even though he was the first QB off the board, he was also the only QB taken to round three! Speculation is we could have had him in round two. And next year the 3rd QB taken will be view more favorably than he is. It was a weak QB class. Yeah this year we had the pick of the litter but it wasn't a very good litter. We took out shot. Yep. I'm mixed and wanted Lloyd in round one and Corral in round three.

Speculation was also that he'd go at 5 or something.

No one knows.

[flippy]

Nah you can always tell agenda driven people because rather than give a football opinion, they use silly political buzzwords rather than adding anything substantive to the discussion.

LOL. I really think the terms agenda and narrative are the most annoyingly overused words.

Like people wasting time online have some big master plan to take over the world starting with their opinion about a football team or coach or player. The narrative will start slow and snowball into other small message boards of other teams and then other sports. Eventually these thoughts will spill into other aspects of life beyond sports. These thoughts will spread like wildfire once they make it to MySpace. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

But seriously, what is the agenda? To become infamous? To make a billion dollars? Or is it simply to just make one friend?

[Shawn]

I suspect the higher ceiling evaluators of Willis are likely the woke ones who have a narrative and agenda for the poor oppressed professional athlete. Life is hard when you go from making millions per year to living under a cardboard box.

You are proving my point about some people's motivations towards hating "mobile QBs". Thank you.

[feltdizz]

LOL. I really think the terms agenda and narrative are the most annoyingly overused words.

Like people wasting time online have some big master plan to take over the world starting with their opinion about a football team or coach or player. The narrative will start slow and snowball into other small message boards of other teams and then other sports. Eventually these thoughts will spill into other aspects of life beyond sports. These thoughts will spread like wildfire once they make it to MySpace. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

But seriously, what is the agenda? To become infamous? To make a billion dollars? Or is it simply to just make one friend?

In this case the agenda is to spread their silly political beliefs everywhere they go on the internet or in real life.

Every topic is a chance to go on a "woke" rant.

What does Willis' upside have to do with wokeness? Players are drafted every year and the talk of upside is discussed every draft but somehow its woke when it comes to Willis? What about the hope people have for for Mitch Trubisky after a year off? Is that woke too?

[Captain Lemming]

LOL. I really think the terms agenda and narrative are the most annoyingly overused words.

Ok dude I know you wanna be "everybody is love and butterflies" but
You tell me Flippy.

I suspect the higher ceiling evaluators of Willis are likely the woke ones who have a narrative and agenda for the poor oppressed professional athlete. Life is hard when you go from making millions per year to living under a cardboard box.

What is the FOOTBALL point he making here?

Even OTHER PEOPLE who don't like Tomlin legitimately (Windy City even Maniac) are getting uncomfortable with the bizarre rhetoric of some.

[WindyCitySteel]

I suspect the higher ceiling evaluators of Willis are likely the woke ones who have a narrative and agenda for the poor oppressed professional athlete. Life is hard when you go from making millions per year to living under a cardboard box.

Wait, now Willis is going to live in a box if he fails in the NFL?

Should I go tell all of my black neighbors in my affluent Chicago neighborhood to stock up on cardboard?

[Steel Maniac]

Wait, now Willis is going to live in a box if he fails in the NFL?

Should I go tell all of my black neighbors in my affluent Chicago neighborhood to stock up on cardboard?

Hahaha.. good one.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Pickett doesn't have an apparent high ceiling based on what I can see. Unless he transforms and develops to have Drew Bees like accuracy, Tom Brady like to ability to throw short and works ethic, Steve Mcnair like toughness, Peyton Manning like leadership and a rare innate feel for the game.

[feltdizz]

Wait, now Willis is going to live in a box if he fails in the NFL?

Should I go tell all of my black neighbors in my affluent Chicago neighborhood to stock up on cardboard?

I just had my cardboard box appraised this morning. I can get close to 400K if I replace the floors and repaint my exterior.

Some decent equity in cardboard these days.

[feltdizz]

Ok dude I know you wanna be "everybody is love and butterflies" but
You tell me Flippy.



What is the FOOTBALL point he making here?

Even OTHER PEOPLE who don't like Tomlin legitimately (Windy City even Maniac) are getting uncomfortable with the bizarre rhetoric of some.

He can’t.. at least not without turning it into something silly.

and when people see someone using language that implies ignorance and bigotry the last thing we need is someone trying to “flip it” to shield that person from taking their medicine.

[papillon]

Pickett doesn't have an apparent high ceiling based on what I can see. Unless he transforms and develops to have Drew Bees like accuracy, Tom Brady like to ability to throw short and works ethic, Steve Mcnair like toughness, Peyton Manning like leadership and a rare innate feel for the game.

So, he has to have the characteristics of the best QB to ever play the game, 2 certain 1st ballot HOFers and a very good quarterback before he can have a high ceiling? Why does Pickett have to be so great to have a high ceiling? What does Willis need to have a high ceiling? Just be a great athlete? I don't quite understand why Pickett's standards for a high ceiling are so high (and unattainable, how good would he be with all of that?) but Willis just needs to be an extraordinary athlete and his ceiling is high.

Pappy