Tomlin PC

[crushedspirit]

Nah, we care about winning playoff games and super bowls. Something Tomlin hasn't done in a decade.

Honestly, I'll just take a competitive playoff performance. Enough with these embarrassing displays that have become a common occurrence.

[whatever]

Honestly, I'll just take a competitive playoff performance. Enough with these embarrassing displays that have become a common occurrence.

I’d be satisfied with winning the amount of games equivalent to our talent and have great coaching steal another win or two during the regular season.
Same goes for the playoffs.

[NJ-STEELER]

They should let Tomlin be HC, OC, DC, ST, GM, and owner. He's that awesome. He's never had a losing season! I mean, that plus his cool quips should entitle him to own the entire city of Pittsburgh.

they can replicate him a few times

make one a 'camera tomlin' just for blowing kisses, dancing and things like that

[T.Ferguson]

I think many of the poster that care more about Tomlin than the team are ones that don't like him.

Maybe but there is one poster on here, not naming anyone of course, that honestly gives off the vibe that they are related to Tomlin or idk something weird going on there lol.

[T.Ferguson]

I’d be satisfied with winning the amount of games equivalent to our talent and have great coaching steal another win or two during the regular season.
Same goes for the playoffs.

I'd take a team that is simply enjoyable to watch, it is entertainment in the end. And these recent Steelers teams have not been very enjoyable to watch, especially this season although it did get exciting in the end just because of how crazy it was that the team even made the playoffs, but not the team itself lol.

[Steel Maniac]

Nah, we care about winning playoff games and super bowls. Something Tomlin hasn't done in a decade.

Boom………………

[Northern_Blitz]

I'd take a team that is simply enjoyable to watch, it is entertainment in the end. And these recent Steelers teams have not been very enjoyable to watch, especially this season although it did get exciting in the end just because of how crazy it was that the team even made the playoffs, but not the team itself lol.

Hoping we get this with the rebuild.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Hoping we get this with the rebuild.

You are a the ownership of a small market team. Would you simply give up on a season for the unknown of the future or would you attempt to compete and continue with the process of what lead to the organization's ability to compete, win games, and eventually championships? I know what I would choose. Took the Steelers 25 years between winning championships. Some teams never won a championshiop.

I am sticking with an organization's ability to win games and compete. The Browns left Cleveland, Raiders left where ever multiple times...., Rams left.... The Bills are on the precipice of leaving NY. Doesn't mean squat that the Bills have all the goods now.

Don't think the organization would eventually leave the Burgh for MONEY PASTURES without winning? It's not simply about winning championships for the organization. They can accept winning in the regular season to make the post season. After making the post season it's anyone's best performance or guess.

As fans we all want playoff wins and Superbowls. Cowher fell short of the Superbowl wins but made the HOF for his overall accomplishments. The same people that call for the firing of Tomlin probably wanted Cowher fired. Those same media people and fans recognize what Cowher helped the organization to accomplish.

I can live with in the moment and realize what the organization has with Tomlin has HC. Tomlin isn't perfect but what HC is without talent? I understand that Tomlin doesn't have the final say on organizational decisions. Amazing what the Warriors were able to accomplish when their talent returned. Anyway....

This is the reality and age of millionaires and billionaires we are living in. As a born and raised Pittsburgher I hope the Steelers never leave Pittsburgh as long as I live. But millionaires and billionaires don't care what the average worker bee like me thinks. They will leave loyal fans, a town, or whatever for the next highest bidder. The average fan probably doesn't consider this factor but I do. Seen it happen to the most loyal of fans.

In short, I believe the Steelers need to continue to win in the regular season and be relevant to remain the PGH Steelers. Post season wins and Superbowls will eventually come. I will take these until the Steelers can manage and be lucky enough to build a Superbowl winner.

Disappointment clouds fan's judgment or ability to see the situation clearly.

The Steelers must continue to compete and win. It's extremely difficult for the "stars to align" for any franchise to win in the playoffs of ultimately a championship. So I will take the winning seasons and playoff appearances as a complication prize considering the various factors. Some of the "MORONS" around here are win a game in the post season or championship or bust.

The same "MORONS" probably called for Cowher to be fired before he won a championship. Now the view Cowher with respect. The irony.

Sports are all about perspective for me. I realize how difficult it is to simply win one game. Ultimately, talent and execution wins. Certainly, head coaching provides the guidance and over all picture of what it takes to win. Tomlin has delivered in this area regardless of how fans feel about him. He helped to guided the Steelers franchise to the playoffs 10 out of 15 years. No losing seasons. That means every year outside of two years that I can remember the team had not shot of making the playoff. IMO that's bad ass at any level of coaching.

[Northern_Blitz]

You are a the ownership of a small market team. Would you simply give up on a season for the unknown of the future or would you attempt to compete and continue with the process of what lead to the organization's ability to compete, win games, and eventually championships? I know what I would choose. Took the Steelers 25 years between winning championships. Some teams never won a championshiop.

I am sticking with an organization's ability to win games and compete. The Browns left Cleveland, Raiders left where ever multiple times...., Rams left.... The Bills are on the precipice of leaving NY. Doesn't mean squat that the Bills have all the goods now.

Don't think the organization would eventually leave the Burgh for MONEY PASTURES without winning? It's not simply about winning championships for the organization. They can accept winning in the regular season to make the post season. After making the post season it's anyone's best performance or guess.

As fans we all want playoff wins and Superbowls. Cowher fell short of the Superbowl wins but made the HOF for his overall accomplishments. The same people that call for the firing of Tomlin probably wanted Cowher fired. Those same media people and fans recognize what Cowher helped the organization to accomplish.

I can live with in the moment and realize what the organization has with Tomlin has HC. Tomlin isn't perfect but what HC is without talent? I understand that Tomlin doesn't have the final say on organizational decisions. Amazing what the Warriors were able to accomplish when their talent returned. Anyway....

This is the reality and age of millionaires and billionaires we are living in. As a born and raised Pittsburgher I hope the Steelers never leave Pittsburgh as long as I live. But millionaires and billionaires don't care what the average worker bee like me thinks. They will leave loyal fans, a town, or whatever for the next highest bidder. The average fan probably doesn't consider this factor but I do. Seen it happen to the most loyal of fans.

In short, I believe the Steelers need to continue to win in the regular season and be relevant to remain the PGH Steelers. Post season wins and Superbowls will eventually come. I will take these until the Steelers can manage and be lucky enough to build a Superbowl winner.

Disappointment clouds fan's judgment or ability to see the situation clearly.

The Steelers must continue to compete and win. It's extremely difficult for the "stars to align" for any franchise to win in the playoffs of ultimately a championship. So I will take the winning seasons and playoff appearances as a complication prize considering the various factors. Some of the "MORONS" around here are win a game in the post season or championship or bust.

The same "MORONS" probably called for Cowher to be fired before he won a championship. Now the view Cowher with respect. The irony.

Sports are all about perspective for me. I realize how difficult it is to simply win one game. Ultimately, talent and execution wins. Certainly, head coaching provides the guidance and over all picture of what it takes to win. Tomlin has delivered in this area regardless of how fans feel about him. He helped to guided the Steelers franchise to the playoffs 10 out of 15 years. No losing seasons. That means every year outside of two years that I can remember the team had not shot of making the playoff. IMO that's bad ass at any level of coaching.

Nice post Burgh. I agree with a lot of what you're saying here. Although as someone who came to the Steelers by choice and not by birth, I think I don't value them being in the city as much as many on here do. I absolutely wouldn't want them to move, but I fell in love with this team because of the punishing defenses in the 90s, not because I was born to it or was following in my father's footsteps.

I worry that continually trying to compete with band aids will leave us always competing for WC spots and never for championships. That trying to compete now will make it so that we aren't really that competitive now or in the medium term. Kind of like the Bills between Kelly and Allen. Or my Toronto Maple Leafs for...well the majority of my life.

I don't think we should burn it all down (like the Buffalo Sabers) because that destroys the foundation / culture of the team. For example, I would be strongly opposed to trading Heyward (even though he would probably bring a pretty good draft pick back).

I think the D has too many good pieces (TJ, Cam, Fitz) for the team to get down to 2 or 3 wins / get the first pick. And I think even a Mason led offense won't be all that much worse than what we had this year points per game wise.

I don't think we'll be terrible by NFL standards...even though I do think we'll be worse than we have been in over a decade.

But I think they'll be lying to themselves and to fans if Rooney, Tomlin, and <insert new GM here> come out next year and say that they're competing for a SB.

I think those kind of lies are what make a fanbase turn on a team.

I think if they came out and said "We were blessed to have Ben for the last decade and a half so that we could compete for a championship every year. We're going to do what we can to win games this season, but our main goal is to be building a team that can consistently compete for championships in 2 or 3 years." Or something like that.

I think part of the reason we've seen so much disappointment over the last few years is that they kept saying "we're playing to win a championship this year". Do you think that was really the case this season? I don't. Of course we wanted to win a championship. But this team was one that needed everything to go right (including not getting injuries) to have been considered in the conversation to represent the AFC in the SB. And even then, I don't think they'd have been better than KC, Ten, Buf, and maybe even Cincy.

[Steel Maniac]

Nice post Burgh. I agree with a lot of what you're saying here. Although as someone who came to the Steelers by choice and not by birth, I think I don't value them being in the city as much as many on here do. I absolutely wouldn't want them to move, but I fell in love with this team because of the punishing defenses in the 90s, not because I was born to it or was following in my father's footsteps.

I worry that continually trying to compete with band aids will leave us always competing for WC spots and never for championships. That trying to compete now will make it so that we aren't really that competitive now or in the medium term.

I don't think we should burn it all down (like the Buffalo Sabers) because that destroys the foundation / culture of the team. For example, I would be strongly opposed to trading Heyward (even though he would probably bring a pretty good draft pick back).

I think the D has too many good pieces (TJ, Cam, Fitz) for the team to get down to 2 or 3 wins / get the first pick. And I think even a Mason led offense won't be all that much worse than what we had this year points per game wise.

I don't think we'll be terrible by NFL standards...even though I do think we'll be worse than we have been in over a decade.

But I think they'll be lying to themselves and to fans if Rooney, Tomlin, and <insert new GM here> come out next year and say that they're competing for a SB.

I think those kind of lies are what make a fanbase turn on a team.

I think if they came out and said "We were blessed to have Ben for the last decade and a half so that we could compete for a championship every year. We're going to do what we can to win games this season, but our main goal is to be building a team that can consistently compete for championships in 2 or 3 years." Or something like that.

I think part of the reason we've seen so much disappointment over the last few years is that they kept saying "we're playing to win a championship this year". Do you think that was really the case this season? I don't. Of course we wanted to win a championship. But this team was one that needed everything to go right (including not getting injuries) to have been considered in the conversation to represent the AFC in the SB. And even then, I don't think they'd have been better than KC, Ten, Buf, and maybe even Cincy.

Outstanding post NB. This “ bandaid” approach that you stated doesn’t lead to winning chips. And how do you SERIOUSLY compete within the division if you don’t have a legit franchise QB? You don’t. Joe Burrow isn’t going anywhere.

QB driven league ; we’ve all said that many times. Now that we don’t have one , some are talking like we can really do something WITHOUT a real QB.

There are no Derrick Henry’s walking through the door for us to have a marginal guy at QB.

[NorthCoast]

Nice post Burgh. I agree with a lot of what you're saying here. Although as someone who came to the Steelers by choice and not by birth, I think I don't value them being in the city as much as many on here do. I absolutely wouldn't want them to move, but I fell in love with this team because of the punishing defenses in the 90s, not because I was born to it or was following in my father's footsteps.

I worry that continually trying to compete with band aids will leave us always competing for WC spots and never for championships. That trying to compete now will make it so that we aren't really that competitive now or in the medium term. Kind of like the Bills between Kelly and Allen.

I don't think we should burn it all down (like the Buffalo Sabers) because that destroys the foundation / culture of the team. For example, I would be strongly opposed to trading Heyward (even though he would probably bring a pretty good draft pick back).

I think the D has too many good pieces (TJ, Cam, Fitz) for the team to get down to 2 or 3 wins / get the first pick. And I think even a Mason led offense won't be all that much worse than what we had this year points per game wise.

I don't think we'll be terrible by NFL standards...even though I do think we'll be worse than we have been in over a decade.

But I think they'll be lying to themselves and to fans if Rooney, Tomlin, and <insert new GM here> come out next year and say that they're competing for a SB.

I think those kind of lies are what make a fanbase turn on a team.

I think if they came out and said "We were blessed to have Ben for the last decade and a half so that we could compete for a championship every year. We're going to do what we can to win games this season, but our main goal is to be building a team that can consistently compete for championships in 2 or 3 years." Or something like that.

I think part of the reason we've seen so much disappointment over the last few years is that they kept saying "we're playing to win a championship this year". Do you think that was really the case this season? I don't. Of course we wanted to win a championship. But this team was one that needed everything to go right (including not getting injuries) to have been considered in the conversation to represent the AFC in the SB. And even then, I don't think they'd have been better than KC, Ten, Buf, and maybe even Cincy.

Basically Tomlin is too good of a coach to have a miserable season that might lead to a high draft pick. Best case might be pick #10. I think there are some posters that are miserable because they know this. They would rather he be an abject failure in order for Rooney to do something about it. But that is not the case.

[Steel Maniac]

Basically Tomlin is too good of a coach to have a miserable season that might lead to a high draft pick. Best case might be pick #10. I think there are some posters that are miserable because they know this. They would rather he be an abject failure in order for Rooney to do something about it. But that is not the case.

So, with that being said , how would you go about getting a real franchise QB?

[NorthCoast]

So, with that being said , how would you go about getting a real franchise QB?

The Steelers went 6-10 in 2003, then selected Roethlisberger with the 11th pick in 2004.
Seems that if Rudolph isn't the answer at QB then a 6-10 record isn't out of the question.

[feltdizz]

You are a the ownership of a small market team. Would you simply give up on a season for the unknown of the future or would you attempt to compete and continue with the process of what lead to the organization's ability to compete, win games, and eventually championships? I know what I would choose. Took the Steelers 25 years between winning championships. Some teams never won a championshiop.

I am sticking with an organization's ability to win games and compete. The Browns left Cleveland, Raiders left where ever multiple times...., Rams left.... The Bills are on the precipice of leaving NY. Doesn't mean squat that the Bills have all the goods now.

Don't think the organization would eventually leave the Burgh for MONEY PASTURES without winning? It's not simply about winning championships for the organization. They can accept winning in the regular season to make the post season. After making the post season it's anyone's best performance or guess.

As fans we all want playoff wins and Superbowls. Cowher fell short of the Superbowl wins but made the HOF for his overall accomplishments. The same people that call for the firing of Tomlin probably wanted Cowher fired. Those same media people and fans recognize what Cowher helped the organization to accomplish.

I can live with in the moment and realize what the organization has with Tomlin has HC. Tomlin isn't perfect but what HC is without talent? I understand that Tomlin doesn't have the final say on organizational decisions. Amazing what the Warriors were able to accomplish when their talent returned. Anyway....

This is the reality and age of millionaires and billionaires we are living in. As a born and raised Pittsburgher I hope the Steelers never leave Pittsburgh as long as I live. But millionaires and billionaires don't care what the average worker bee like me thinks. They will leave loyal fans, a town, or whatever for the next highest bidder. The average fan probably doesn't consider this factor but I do. Seen it happen to the most loyal of fans.

In short, I believe the Steelers need to continue to win in the regular season and be relevant to remain the PGH Steelers. Post season wins and Superbowls will eventually come. I will take these until the Steelers can manage and be lucky enough to build a Superbowl winner.

Disappointment clouds fan's judgment or ability to see the situation clearly.

The Steelers must continue to compete and win. It's extremely difficult for the "stars to align" for any franchise to win in the playoffs of ultimately a championship. So I will take the winning seasons and playoff appearances as a complication prize considering the various factors. Some of the "MORONS" around here are win a game in the post season or championship or bust.

The same "MORONS" probably called for Cowher to be fired before he won a championship. Now the view Cowher with respect. The irony.

Sports are all about perspective for me. I realize how difficult it is to simply win one game. Ultimately, talent and execution wins. Certainly, head coaching provides the guidance and over all picture of what it takes to win. Tomlin has delivered in this area regardless of how fans feel about him. He helped to guided the Steelers franchise to the playoffs 10 out of 15 years. No losing seasons. That means every year outside of two years that I can remember the team had not shot of making the playoff. IMO that's bad ass at any level of coaching.

$$$$ post right here

[feltdizz]

I’d be satisfied with winning the amount of games equivalent to our talent and have great coaching steal another win or two during the regular season.
Same goes for the playoffs.

most people don’t think we had good coaching this year but we literally did exactly what you described.

A lot of people said this would be Tomlin’s first losing season. I’m sure if I had time to do a search I could find multiple people saying it, hell.. at 1-3 I probably said it too.

How many people said we would sweep the Stains and Rats this year? Not
many..

I think we played to our talent level this year. Ben is 40. WR’s are iffy, OL is all new faces..