Boneheaded Fake Field Goal

[Moonie]

I don’t care what you asked. It was a stupid call and would have been stupid even if it worked. That’s what some of you boneheads can’t seem to grasp about football. Tomlin took 3 points off the board for a a chance at a gimmick play in a must win game when the score was tied. There was only one acceptable call. Kick the FG.

And I don't care if you think it's stupid, since you refuse to or can't say when you would try a fake field goal. All failed fake field goals take points off the board. And I'd bet most of them occur in "must win games." And I'd further bet that most come at times when the score is close.

So until you can try to respond and say when a fake field goal is a good idea, you're doing nothing but arguing hindsight.

[Moonie]

Ultimately, my guess is that the expected value of a fake FG is less than just taking the points. Take the 3 points and multiply by the chance of making it. Then take the 7 points and multiply that by the chance of making the conversion and all the other things I'd need to get a TD.

My guess is that a fake FG is worse than a long 2 numbers wise in the NBA.

Times when I think I might do it.

When it was at the edge of the FG kickers range.

Maybe if I'd seen something on film I wanted to exploit.

If I was up by a lot and wanted to put something on film.

If my offense was very good and I knew I'd have many othe opportunities to score points.

My FG kicker isn't good (or is injured... Or the lbs or holder are injured), so the chances of making the kick are low.

Playing Madden... Because kicking of any kind is only allowed at the beginning of a half and after scoring a TD.

I don't disagree with a lot of that. If I was a coach, I'd probably never call a fake field goal. But the reality is, the play call exists and most teams try it out once a year (I'm guessing), so when are the optimal times? If someone doesn't have a reasonable answer to when that is, then complaining about today's failure is just faux-outrage.

[hawaiiansteel]

It was a stupid call and would have been stupid even if it worked.

I would have kicked the FG there also.

however, if the fake had worked and resulted in a TD a lot of people would have called it gutsy and a good play call.

[MCHammer]

And I don't care if you think it's stupid, since you refuse to or can't say when you would try a fake field goal. All failed fake field goals take points off the board. And I'd bet most of them occur in "must win games." And I'd further bet that most come at times when the score is close.

So until you can try to respond and say when a fake field goal is a good idea, you're doing nothing but arguing hindsight.

Then I’ll argue in “hindsight” and be 100% right and you will still be wrong.

[MCHammer]

If someone doesn't have a reasonable answer to when that is, then complaining about today's failure is just faux-outrage.

How do hypothetical fake FG scenarios make any difference as to whether the one we all witnessed was a good call?

Justify Tomlin’s call or don’t. That is the issue.

[MCHammer]

I would have kicked the FG there also.

however, if the fake had worked and resulted in a TD a lot of people would have called it gutsy and a good play call.

And they would be wrong.

Maybe we should onside kick every time. It’s a genius call when it works!

Tomlin either made that call or let somebody talk him into it. Our kicker is now concussed. Hopefully, this idiotic and completely unnecessary gimmick play doesn’t cause Boswell to miss any future games or otherwise negatively effect his future place kicking.

[Starlifter]

well, from the standpoint that most think in a 3-3 game where points where hard to come by - that would be a terrible decision to try a fake........doesn't that mean it was actually the perfect time to try a fake?

Now, it was poorly executed and they took too long to snap the ball and gave the defense the heads up - but I think fake plays work best when absolutely no one expects it.

So I wasn't that miffed by the decision...but - I hated the execution. I hated the fact a pro-team apparently hadn't considered the possibility of their kicker getting ear-holed and out of the game, and had no plan B. Have they not once practiced with Boz being 'hurt' and having to go with a backup holder so Harvin can try a PAT?

It seemed to me the decision to go for it wasn't horrible - but every other decision around that play from concept, to practice, to outcomes was putrid.

[MCHammer]

well, from the standpoint that most think in a 3-3 game where points where hard to come by - that would be a terrible decision to try a fake........doesn't that mean it was actually the perfect time to try a fake?

No. It means it is time to go up 6-3 like 95% of the coaches in the NFL would do and would be right to do so.

[Captain Lemming]

well, from the standpoint that most think in a 3-3 game where points where hard to come by - that would be a terrible decision to try a fake........doesn't that mean it was actually the perfect time to try a fake?

Nah, can't buy that one.

You know when it is less likely? You get the kickoff, you are at your 25, you gain no yards.

On 4th you can fake a punt and go for the 1st because it is even MORE unexpected, but you don't do it because it is stupid.

[MCHammer]

Nah, can't buy that one.

You know when it is less likely? You get the kickoff, you are at your 25, you gain no yards.

On 4th you can fake a punt and go for the 1st because it is even MORE unexpected, but you don't do it because it is stupid.

Careful, there are people on this forum who will tell you that this would be a genius call if it worked. Like betting $40,000 on some random horse that nobody else expects to win.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

And they would be wrong.

Maybe we should onside kick every time. It’s a genius call when it works!

Tomlin either made that call or let somebody talk him into it. Our kicker is now concussed. Hopefully, this idiotic and completely unnecessary gimmick play doesn’t cause Boswell to miss any future games or otherwise negatively effect his future place kicking.

Agreed. We won in spite of Tomlin.

[hawaiiansteel]

Careful, there are people on this forum who will tell you that this would be a genius call if it worked. Like betting $40,000 on some random horse that nobody else expects to win.

it was a bad call.

even Tomlin admits that.

https://www.on3.com/news/mike-tomlin-admits-mistake-fake-field-goal-pittsburgh-steelers-nfl/

[NJ-STEELER]

WRONG. You cannot end a game with multiple offensive penalties on the same down. DJ's false start screwed them... This has been a rule for 3 or 4 years. Do your homework bud. So it seems the coach was a genius after all.

WTF are you talking about. if they run the play clock to zero. No one is on the line to false start

take the penalty and let the clock drain as much as it can. who cares about losing 5 yards in that situation,

time is more important then yardage there

[NJ-STEELER]

How about not when you have a chip shot field goal to take the lead.

and what defense is actually rushing a chip shot FG. did he think they would be going all out for the block and freeing up 2 receivers.

just a typical bonehead move by him.

$hit, he admits it. he's said in the past tha the pats are intellectual and We're emotional.

[NJ-STEELER]

You're the one pinning trying to pin it on someone.

I still think the clock wouldn't have started up again?

I'm just asking who is responsible for starting any given play. And trying to figure out if you genuinely think it's the coach (when the answer is obviously someone who isn't the coach).

where am I saying the clock would have started again?

run down the clock and take a penalty to have the least amount of time left on the game clock. romo said 4 seconds would be left and we would have another (4th) down to try and kill the rest of the time on 4th down.

killing 4 seconds on the last play is a lot easier then killing 6 seconds of clock to end the game. it gave more of a chance for the browns to get a play