Canada's Offense

[Captain Lemming]

in reality, they passed it as much on average as the rest of the league did.
for example in 2014, 24 teams passed the ball at least 54% of the time. 75% of the teams in the league
three years later in 2017, the same number of teams passed at the same percentage (houston 53.96)

Look at your numbers above. How did the Bell era Steelers compare?

In 2017 Bell had the most carries of his career BY FAR.
Steelers passed over 59 percent of the time. Ran less than 41 percent of the time.

Run/pass ratio, higher to lower run percentage...Steelers were 20th...Bell's career high in carries a season Bell led the league in carries.

Our team was 6th in attempts, 4th in yardage passing that year. DESPITE all those sceen passes to Bell.

[NJ-STEELER]

Look at your numbers above. How did the Bell era Steelers compare?

In 2017 Bell had the most carries of his career BY FAR.
Steelers passed over 59 percent of the time. Ran less than 41 percent of the time.

Run/pass ratio, higher to lower run percentage...Steelers were 20th...Bell's career high in carries a season Bell led the league in carries.

Our team was 6th in attempts, 4th in yardage passing that year. DESPITE all those sceen passes to Bell.

soo, you wanted to run him even more? and have what 30-35 touches a game?

or just run for the sake of running? and run it with a 2nd/3rd team back?

more then 75% of the league passed it more then 54% of the time (context).
some teams with QBs far less talented then the QB in pittsburgh.

you're pissing and moaning over a 5% difference which also including the long handoffs/screens to bell acting like we were using the run and shoot

beyond the numbers, the offense featured bell with the run and screen game. are you disagreeing with that?

you're caught up with some non sense that the screens we threw to bell are "relying on ben's arm" when they are plays designed to feature the receiving skills of the RB. they skew the run/pass ratio numbers and foolishly get the Yinzers to scream out..
RUN THE BALL!!!!!!!!! YOI

[NJ-STEELER]

Sort that same list in decending order. Run pass ratio. We are bottom half every season

Relative to the REST OF THE LEAGUE we pass a greater percentage of the time...EVERY YEAR even WITH Bell.

we're with in 5% of 75% of the league in regards to ratio. thats with counting those screen passes to bell.
some how that's a big deal to you.
turn those screens passes to the run side and the numbers are closer.
disproving your theory of relying on ben's arm in the years awe had bell on the team

All the reference article said is we need to run more than we have because Ben is getting old. Don't overly worried about what Canada said. We can't live on Bens arm and Canada knows that.

i'm not disagreeing with that coming into the 2021 season. i'm disagreeing with your statement on the years bell was with the team

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[NJ-STEELER]

Thus my issue with your take. Its not that the writer "forgets" the Bell era.

Even in the Bell era we relied more on Bens arm than most teams did their quarterbacks.
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again, is the writer focusing on the raw numbers and not the number of screens we threw with bell?


you're caught up too much with the rankings, the actual percentage numbers aren't far off then the rest of the league

2013 . Pitt threw the ball 59.8% of the time

other note worthy percentages that year

falcons and matt ryan 67% of the time (1st)
dallas and romo 65.5 %
brees with the saints 62.4 %
eli and the NYG 59.8 %

that fearful baltimore ground attack everyone is afraid off threw it 59.4% of the time


2017 Pitt 57.45 %

rogers and GB 59.28 %
giants 60.68 %

god's gift to QBing and the patriots 56.71%

we didn't rely on ben's arm much differently then how a lot of other teams did with their QBs

[NJ-STEELER]

This is wholly not true.

I have never ever ONCE blamed Ben for our run pass ratio. I think you confuse me with someone who does that.

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then i apologize for that.

when i see this brought up, especially on other sites, the theme seems to be that its ben who is designing the offense this way.

as you can probably tell, i've had more then a few back and forths with them

[NJ-STEELER]

Oh come on. First not every pass to Bell was a stinkin screen. 2017- 85 passes to Bell, team was 6th in pass attempts 4th in yards? That is not what happens when you are living off screens.

We're we not relying on Ben's arm? This argument is ridiculous.

i'd say at least 80% were screens. and you're only counting the completions to bell (85) im sure there were incompletions which are counted in the run/pass ratio

any who, i don't get caught up in 5% to less then 5% differences in run/pass ratio.
too many actual game time circumstances can change that number around.

in all those years posted the heavy majority of the league was passing 54% of the time or more.
if you think handing the ball off to leveon instead of throwing him a screen 3-4 more times per game would have moved away from "relying on ben's arm" those years then so be it.
that number is nothing in the grand scheme of things

[Captain Lemming]

again, is the writer focusing on the raw numbers and not the number of screens we threw with bell?


you're caught up too much with the rankings, the actual percentage numbers aren't far off then the rest of the league

2013 . Pitt threw the ball 59.8% of the time

other note worthy percentages that year

falcons and matt ryan 67% of the time (1st)
dallas and romo 65.5 %
brees with the saints 62.4 %
eli and the NYG 59.8 %

that fearful baltimore ground attack everyone is afraid off threw it 59.4% of the time


2017 Pitt 57.45 %

rogers and GB 59.28 %
giants 60.68 %

god's gift to QBing and the patriots 56.71%

we didn't rely on ben's arm much differently then how a lot of other teams did with their QBs

You STILL DONT see what my point is. You act like I'm attacking our play calling in the past. It is the same thing you saw in the article.

I said it already. The point is Ben is OLD NOW. He cannot carry the team like he used to.

In bringing up the Bell era, you miss his point. We HAD begun depending on Ben being among the leagues most prolific passers. THAT is not what we want from an AGING QB. Going back to even Bell era when Ben was among the top 10 in pass yards is not the answer.

then i apologize for that.

when i see this brought up, especially on other sites, the theme seems to be that its ben who is designing the offense this way.

as you can probably tell, i've had more then a few back and forths with them

This is 100 percent of our debate. Someone says Ben needs to pass less (even when it is made clear it is because he is old) and you see an attack on his career.

PEYTON MANNING won a SB despite no longer carrying a team as he used to. Acknowledging that truth is not an attack on his career.

Same here dude.

[NorthCoast]

soo, you wanted to run him even more? and have what 30-35 touches a game?

or just run for the sake of running? and run it with a 2nd/3rd team back?

more then 75% of the league passed it more then 54% of the time (context).
some teams with QBs far less talented then the QB in pittsburgh.

you're pissing and moaning over a 5% difference which also including the long handoffs/screens to bell acting like we were using the run and shoot

beyond the numbers, the offense featured bell with the run and screen game. are you disagreeing with that?

you're caught up with some non sense that the screens we threw to bell are "relying on ben's arm" when they are plays designed to feature the receiving skills of the RB. they skew the run/pass ratio numbers and foolishly get the Yinzers to scream out..
RUN THE BALL!!!!!!!!! YOI

In 2017, Roethlisberger threw 97 passes at or behind the line of scrimmage. Unfortunately I don't have the targeted player (WR, RB, TE??). Profootballreference says Bell was targeted 106 times that season. A total of 82 were "short passes".

[Captain Lemming]

In 2017, Roethlisberger threw 97 passes at or behind the line of scrimmage. Unfortunately I don't have the targeted player (WR, RB, TE??). Profootballreference says Bell was targeted 106 times that season. A total of 82 were "short passes".

Last season how many passes were thrown at or behind the line of scrimmage? I bet it was more than 97.

How many of Bens passes were designated short passes. I GUARANTEE YOU more than in 2017. Does that lessen the truth that Ben was carrying the offense last season?

Every QB throws short as a percentage of their passes people.

Ben was 6th in pass attempts in 2017 and 3rd in passing yardage. Clearly, he was not living on dump offs as NC implies. At least not relative to other QBs

[feltdizz]

I hope Ben throws it to Najee 106 times this year.

[Steel Maniac]

I hope Ben throws it to Najee 106 times this year.

Hahahahahahahaha..

[feltdizz]

Hahahahahahahaha..

I’m dead ass serious. I don’t care how we do it, just do it.

I think Ben can have 2 or 3 more years of quality ball if he doesn’t have to do it all.

Even though I knew our running game would struggle with lesser backs I think we abandoned the run way too early in games in the second half of the season. We just stopped running some games unless it was the obvious 3rd and short when everyone knew it was coming.

[Captain Lemming]

I hope Ben throws it to Najee 106 times this year.

I don't care who he throws to as long as they ain't dropping it like last season. Clearly Najee got hands

I just want to ease Bens load by relying on him less overall. Ben being top 5 in passing does not do that, we need to run more and effectively.

[NorthCoast]

Last season how many passes were thrown at or behind the line of scrimmage? I bet it was more than 97.

How many of Bens passes were designated short passes. I GUARANTEE YOU more than in 2017. Does that lessen the truth that Ben was carrying the offense last season?

Every QB throws short as a percentage of their passes people.

Ben was 6th in pass attempts in 2017 and 3rd in passing yardage. Clearly, he was not living on dump offs as NC implies. At least not relative to other QBs

I don't have an official stat, but an unofficial count puts him at 120 for 2020. Also, the league avg for atts BLOS for all QBs last season was 16% of total attempts/QB. Also, I never said Roethlisberger was living on dumpoffs.

[NJ-STEELER]

This is 100 percent of our debate. Someone says Ben needs to pass less (even when it is made clear it is because he is old) and you see an attack on his career.

PEYTON MANNING won a SB despite no longer carrying a team as he used to. Acknowledging that truth is not an attack on his career.

Same here dude.

1. i've agreed with you on running more in 2021 to help ben and to not rely on his arm as much

2. i've stated it would have been nice to have a talented back to lessen the load the last 3 years as well

3. I am disagreeing with you on your assessment of throwing too much in the bell years. i've broken it down to show its not that much off of what most of the league does. and to also suggest using bell in those pass plays was like running the ball.

4. i'll say it again. i apologize for putting you in that category. on some other sites and social media its been an argument for years that its been ben's plan to pass that much


my opinion comes from too many people who think we need to play a certain way in order to win.
heck, we were 11-0 last year and we heard complaints of why aren't they trying to run the ball more.

screw that. win any you can on any given game day.

what quarterback on earth wouldn't want a run game to take the pressure off the passing game.
some steeler "fans'" on these sites say ben doesn't want one as ludicrous as that sounds